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The LeBrons
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Who cares about Lamar now, we got Gasol.
Rock out Lamar. 
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Lamar is now largely unneeded. Get a lock down perimeter defender who can knock down his open shots.
Marion would be beyond perfect but both he and Lamar are too expensive for the cause.
I somewhat expect to see a role player replace Lamar in the next 2-3 years. |
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Lamar is now largely unneeded. Get a lock down perimeter defender who can knock down his open shots.
Marion would be beyond perfect but both he and Lamar are too expensive for the cause.
I somewhat expect to see a role player replace Lamar in the next 2-3 years. |
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Critical Beatdown
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Y'all can leave my boy alone now.
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L4L
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| CB, unless Lamar takes a huge paycut we both know thats too much to pay for a 4th wheel. |
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khmrP
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Critical Beatdown"]Y'all can leave my boy alone now.[/quote]
WHY? Did he have anything to do with us getting Gasol? So thats the cop out then? We get producer and now we can layoff the UNDERACHIEVER? |
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Legendary
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
| Y'all can leave my boy alone now. |
So he can blend into the background and collect 14 mil for doing nothing other than rebound? (which will probably drop anyway with Gasol playing PF)?
Come on CB. No one is just picking on Lamar just for the hell of it. He needs to bring more to the table based on his salary alone. |
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L4L
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Lamar is more than good enough to be our 4th option, and I would be ECSTATIC to keep him as our 4th best guy. However, I just can't see that happening unless Lamar agrees to take SIGNIFICANTLY less money. Buss is already going to be hammered next year in terms of luxury tax.
I highly doubt we replace Lamar at all, and if we do it will be for an MLE type role player. Otherwise, I'd expect Ariza/Walton to be our SF tandem. |
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Critical Beatdown
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| L4L wrote: |
| CB, unless Lamar takes a huge paycut we both know thats too much to pay for a 4th wheel. |
We'll deal with that when the time comes, and I don't necessarily disagree.
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L4L
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
| CB, unless Lamar takes a huge paycut we both know thats too much to pay for a 4th wheel. |
We'll deal with that when the time comes, and I don't necessarily disagree. |
It should be interesting to see how the Busses handle it. |
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i would be surprised if LO was moved this season.
it is in the best interest of the lakers to take advantage of the ridiculous front court size advantage they have setup for themselves. |
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My call is this -- keep Lamar Odom right now.
On paper we're the best rebounding team in the league without question.
If the Lakers fail to do great things this season, they easily can wait until the offseason and shop Lamar when he is an expiring $13M (iirc) contract.
Who knows, there may be another disgruntled star by then ...
... and who knows, the Lakers might just win it all with Lamar as our fourth option. Sure, the contract outweighs the production, but there's a hell of a lot less pressure on him right now.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| BDG wrote: |
My call is this -- keep Lamar Odom right now.
On paper we're the best rebounding team in the league without question.
If the Lakers fail to do great things this season, they easily can wait until the offseason and shop Lamar when he is an expiring $13M (iirc) contract.
Who knows, there may be another disgruntled star by then ...
... and who knows, the Lakers might just win it all with Lamar as our fourth option. Sure, the contract outweighs the production, but there's a hell of a lot less pressure on him right now. |
Remember how effective Lamar was when he was with the Heat with Eddie and Wade being primary scoring options after him?
Now he's 4th option after Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol.
Odom is perfect for this squad. We don't need another scorer. We have plenty with those 3, and even Fisher and Farmar off the bench. Vlad contributes his 10.
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| Odom is perfect for this squad. We don't need another scorer. |
I agree ... but ...
is he the lockdown perimeter defender that we need? Do we need another one?
That's a big question. Really, I think it's what will determine Lamar's fate.
Let's see how it all plays out...
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lakersmaddy
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A poster @ CelticsBlog.com about Lamar Odom:
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Yes ...... He's a far superior player at PF because he's a matchup nightmare at that position. His passing/penetrating/ballhandling abilities are all exceptional when he's a PF, but when played at SF they simply become above par. They're the main skills, along with his overall versatility and rebounding abilities, that define him as a player. So he's a much more influential offensive player at the PF because he uses his best skills to their utmost advantage.
And here's strike two
He's also a terrible fit for the Triangle offense. The Triangle offense requires constant ball and player movement to function. Odom on the other hand likes to dominate the basketball. He's unselfish but he needs the ball in his hands to be his most effective, he needs the ball for about 5-7 seconds while he probes a defense and behaves like a playmaker/scorer. It's why he's always struggled in LA. The Triangle offense doesn't suit him at all.
And do you know what? ............. None of that matters.
Odom's role is now to be the glue guy. Kobe is first option, Gasol is the second option for now (Bynum will be the second option), and Bynum is the third option. Odom's role now is to make sure those three players are doing the things on the court that make them their most effective. He's the glue that covers everyone. And that's going to work because he has the mentality and the skill set to achieve it. He's going to go out there and get that extra rebound, he's going to keep the ball moving, he's going to post a smaller player on the mismatch, he's going to move well without the ball and make smart cuts, he's going to lag into the paint and challenge shots, he's going to make smart defensive rotations. He's going to do every little thing that allows Bryant/Gasol/Bynum to dominate. He's now the glue and it's a role that Odom is going to revel in. That's why it's going to work ... and it's going to work well.
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CheezStake
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| Flirted with a triple-double despite some foul issues. I'll take my double-double with onions and cheez..............pleez. With Kobe on your team, impossible is nothing. LO rockin in Memphis. |
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| Honestly, we need a sharpshooter at the 3. I actually think Vlad would fit in better. Kobe can also play the 3 and play Sasha at the 2. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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A poster @ CelticsBlog.com about Lamar Odom:
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Yes ...... He's a far superior player at PF because he's a matchup nightmare at that position. His passing/penetrating/ballhandling abilities are all exceptional when he's a PF, but when played at SF they simply become above par. They're the main skills, along with his overall versatility and rebounding abilities, that define him as a player. So he's a much more influential offensive player at the PF because he uses his best skills to their utmost advantage.
And here's strike two
He's also a terrible fit for the Triangle offense. The Triangle offense requires constant ball and player movement to function. Odom on the other hand likes to dominate the basketball. He's unselfish but he needs the ball in his hands to be his most effective, he needs the ball for about 5-7 seconds while he probes a defense and behaves like a playmaker/scorer. It's why he's always struggled in LA. The Triangle offense doesn't suit him at all.
And do you know what? ............. None of that matters.
Odom's role is now to be the glue guy. Kobe is first option, Gasol is the second option for now (Bynum will be the second option), and Bynum is the third option. Odom's role now is to make sure those three players are doing the things on the court that make them their most effective. He's the glue that covers everyone. And that's going to work because he has the mentality and the skill set to achieve it. He's going to go out there and get that extra rebound, he's going to keep the ball moving, he's going to post a smaller player on the mismatch, he's going to move well without the ball and make smart cuts, he's going to lag into the paint and challenge shots, he's going to make smart defensive rotations. He's going to do every little thing that allows Bryant/Gasol/Bynum to dominate. He's now the glue and it's a role that Odom is going to revel in. That's why it's going to work ... and it's going to work well.
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That's good analysis right there. I actually agree with almost every thing he said there.
That's why I've been saying we should feel lucky to have Odom as our 4th man. He's probably the best 4th man in the entire NBA. |
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That's good analysis right there. I actually agree with almost every thing he said there.
That's why I've been saying we should feel lucky to have Odom as our 4th man. He's probably the best 4th man in the entire NBA. |
It was a great analysis, I agree.
But L4L, You reckon that Lamar could be moved to a 6th man role now? When Triza and Bynum get healthy, it could be the perfect chance to get Odom playing as the best 6th man in the game.
What yall think??
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I wish everyone would ease down on Lamar.
Take a second and realize people, that we have something golden here. NOW. RIGHT NOW. Something that cannot be done with capspace or a 20xx plan.
Lamar is a huge luxury for us on top of the dominant Kobe, game breaking Bynum, and now Pau Gasol.
I know he is overpaid and has been struggling lately, but he's a phenomenal player to have. He would have picked up his game regardless, and it will be easier for him to do at SF. He and Ronny will also still be depended on heavily to back up our PF and C spots respectively and will be godsend in case of and injury.
As far as extension talks and such after next season, I'm sure he would re-sign on the cheaper side to still play with his brothers in P&G and be part of a championship favorite than take a bigger contract with a loser.
You're my man, Lamar! You are a Laker for a reason. Play your heart out! |
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That is a possibility I might consider. However, I'd still play him around 32 minutes or so a game if I decided to take that route.
I understand the desire to put shooters around your primary guys, BUT I honestly feel that many people are simply underrating what Lamar is capable of bringing. This year is jading the minds of many. Odom is better than he's played so far. If Odom settles in and fires on all cylinders, he simply brings more to the table than a player who fits in better at the 4th man role. This is a guy who should be a primary sidekick to a franchise player, but he's our FOURTH MAN! Yes, Odom has a multitude of problems that have caused him to be an extremely poor fit for us thus far; however, he is a good basketball player and I think that fact has been lost around here recently due to the frustration surrounding our situation.
Again, Lamar is a good basketball player. Kobe's number two option? No. Worth his contract? Not in my opinion. A good basketball player? YES. |
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I said this many times: I don't have anything against Lamar playing 3rd, or 4th fiddle. He is probably the best role-player in the league when he feels no pressure at all. He just fits in and does what he does best. - just play basketball.
Under pressure as a 2nd or even 1st option he's not good.
But now we don't have to worry about that, so he can just go back to playing basketball... rebound, pass, score when you can and enjoy the ride for one more year.
L4L: I agree 100% with your last sentence.
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So are we going to start a new thread that states what our record is with Pau @ the 4 now? 
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| So are we going to start a new thread that states what our record is with Pau @ the 4 now? |
Sure.
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The LeBrons
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| So are we going to start a new thread that states what our record is with Pau @ the 4 now? |
No we love Pau. It will always be Odom's fault. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bumrusherer wrote: |
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That's good analysis right there. I actually agree with almost every thing he said there.
That's why I've been saying we should feel lucky to have Odom as our 4th man. He's probably the best 4th man in the entire NBA. |
It was a great analysis, I agree.
But L4L, You reckon that Lamar could be moved to a 6th man role now? When Triza and Bynum get healthy, it could be the perfect chance to get Odom playing as the best 6th man in the game.
What yall think?? |
Well for next year that may be the case. if the Lakers get say a Ron Artest for the MLE next year, then Odom can be the 6th man and quite honestly our line up with Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Artest and Fish/Farmar starting with Odom leading the bench mob would be championships year after year.
From a luxury tax perspective we'll be OK next year because Lamar is expiring so his salary is not counted in the luxury calculation. If Lamar resigns with the Lakers, then depending on how much, there may be a luxury tax concern. But if Ron Artest (MLE) and Lamar make a total of $14M, then we should be OK. But then all that depends on extensions and resigning of our own FAs as well but I think we can be OK luxury tax wise for 2009 and on, and 2008 should be no problem at all with Lamars expiring.
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L4L
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't see us spending the MLE this year. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the moan, whine, complain thread is gonna vanish, because with the Lakers winning, and acquiring Pau, all is divine in Lakerland. Lamar as the best 4th option in the league, I cannot believe what I am reading. You see how changing ones perspective makes all the difference in the world. |
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| lamar should start working on his 3 ball, 400 shots a day for when bynum returns and plays alongside pau |
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| radronOmega wrote: |
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My call is this -- keep Lamar Odom right now.
On paper we're the best rebounding team in the league without question.
If the Lakers fail to do great things this season, they easily can wait until the offseason and shop Lamar when he is an expiring $13M (iirc) contract.
Who knows, there may be another disgruntled star by then ...
... and who knows, the Lakers might just win it all with Lamar as our fourth option. Sure, the contract outweighs the production, but there's a hell of a lot less pressure on him right now. |
Remember how effective Lamar was when he was with the Heat with Eddie and Wade being primary scoring options after him?
Now he's 4th option after Kobe, Bynum, and Gasol.
Odom is perfect for this squad. We don't need another scorer. We have plenty with those 3, and even Fisher and Farmar off the bench. Vlad contributes his 10. |
I agree that we don't need a scorer but odom has nothing else to offer other than rebound the ball and do some pretty dribbles here and there. If we cannot get some defensive player who can hit the 3 pointer for lamar im thinking looking at Ben Wallace and Bull's 1st Picks for next year (which i doubt they will bite) If they don't we sop him next year.
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