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There you go. Never say never.
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Thanks for liking my team Strike  |
your welcome. It was a pretty well constructed team and a hard team to score against/defend. |
That trade you pulled off was unreal. How you convinced them to do that I'll never know. It put you over the top - without it, I don't think you would have ever made the top 8 IMO. |
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If that was a real trade, it would go down as the G.O.A.T.. Go back to my post about the trade earlier, I mentioned how much you Fabered them in that deal. |
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For the playoffs, there is going to be a STRICT 500 word limit write-up about how your team is better and how you could beat your opponent.
This is due Sunday at 11 PM EST (8 PM PST). All PM's are to be sent to me before then. If you don't, you WILL lose. Plain and simple.
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| While I got second I have to disagree with a lot of the judges critique's of my teams, they are frankly wrong. |
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| While I got second I have to disagree with a lot of the judges critique's of my teams, they are frankly wrong. |
The judges are the judges. I disagree with some of them completely. Personally, I don't think my team was even CLOSE to the 2nd worst in the league, but that is their choice.
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First off, thanks to the judges for their time & hardwork put into this. It was much appreciated.
As for my matchup with Maverick, there are some days I regret pulling the trigger on that deal, but then I remember how much of an improvement Baylor and Dumars are over McGrady & Wilkins and how Tiny didn't fit the bill of what I wanted to build. He got the better end of the deal by far, but I'm satisfied because my goal was accomplished in the deal.
Looking forward to the challenge, good luck.
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First off, thanks to the judges for their time & hardwork put into this. It was much appreciated.
As for my matchup with Maverick, there are some days I regret pulling the trigger on that deal, but then I remember how much of an improvement Baylor and Dumars are over McGrady & Wilkins and how Tiny didn't fit the bill of what I wanted to build. He got the better end of the deal by far, but I'm satisfied because my goal was accomplished in the deal.
Looking forward to the challenge, good luck. |
I can't say anything wrong with what you did. Baylor and Dumars is an upgrade IMO. I think Critter (IIRC who the 3rd party was) got the huge shaft on that deal.
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Thanks for letting me participate. I had a blast in the draft, but didn't have the time to do the write up so Sky helped me out.
There are sooooo many great players in the history of the NBA that it was very hard to not miss players (Brand instead of Ming  ).
Good luck guys
If you do this again, I definitely want in 
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First off, thanks to the judges for their time & hardwork put into this. It was much appreciated.
As for my matchup with Maverick, there are some days I regret pulling the trigger on that deal, but then I remember how much of an improvement Baylor and Dumars are over McGrady & Wilkins and how Tiny didn't fit the bill of what I wanted to build. He got the better end of the deal by far, but I'm satisfied because my goal was accomplished in the deal.
Looking forward to the challenge, good luck. |
I can't say anything wrong with what you did. Baylor and Dumars is an upgrade IMO. I think Critter (IIRC who the 3rd party was) got the huge shaft on that deal. |
I did but it was for who fit with my team. Moses and Baylor are not run and gun type of guys and I changed what kind of team I wanted after I choose them. Everyone has great teams so it does not really matter I gave up great players for lesser to the extent great players. Like shooter selected Bruce Bowen. He is not talented enough on the offensive end for this draft but it fit his team. Same for Nique and Sabonis. I didn't know it was for who has the best talent in players or I would of not made the trade. 
But I had a fun time doing this. Good luck to the rest of the teams.
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First off, thanks to the judges for their time & hardwork put into this. It was much appreciated.
As for my matchup with Maverick, there are some days I regret pulling the trigger on that deal, but then I remember how much of an improvement Baylor and Dumars are over McGrady & Wilkins and how Tiny didn't fit the bill of what I wanted to build. He got the better end of the deal by far, but I'm satisfied because my goal was accomplished in the deal.
Looking forward to the challenge, good luck. |
I can't say anything wrong with what you did. Baylor and Dumars is an upgrade IMO. I think Critter (IIRC who the 3rd party was) got the huge shaft on that deal. |
I did but it was for who fit with my team. Moses and Baylor are not run and gun type of guys and I changed what kind of team I wanted after I choose them. Everyone has great teams so it does not really matter I gave up great players for lesser to the extent great players. Like shooter selected Bruce Bowen. He is not talented enough on the offensive end for this draft but it fit his team. Same for Nique and Sabonis. I didn't know it was for who has the best talent in players or I would of not made the trade.
But I had a fun time doing this. Good luck to the rest of the teams. |
You gave up Moses and Baylor for a Run-N-Gun, but you should have gave up the others to fit THEIR system. They are once in a lifetime talents - you don't give those away.
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Thanks for letting me participate. I had a blast in the draft, but didn't have the time to do the write up so Sky helped me out.
There are sooooo many great players in the history of the NBA that it was very hard to not miss players (Brand instead of Ming ).
Good luck guys
If you do this again, I definitely want in |
This challenge was a pregame for my next one. I love doing these, and believe me, more will come soon.
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First off, thanks to the judges for their time & hardwork put into this. It was much appreciated.
As for my matchup with Maverick, there are some days I regret pulling the trigger on that deal, but then I remember how much of an improvement Baylor and Dumars are over McGrady & Wilkins and how Tiny didn't fit the bill of what I wanted to build. He got the better end of the deal by far, but I'm satisfied because my goal was accomplished in the deal.
Looking forward to the challenge, good luck. |
I can't say anything wrong with what you did. Baylor and Dumars is an upgrade IMO. I think Critter (IIRC who the 3rd party was) got the huge shaft on that deal. |
I did but it was for who fit with my team. Moses and Baylor are not run and gun type of guys and I changed what kind of team I wanted after I choose them. Everyone has great teams so it does not really matter I gave up great players for lesser to the extent great players. Like shooter selected Bruce Bowen. He is not talented enough on the offensive end for this draft but it fit his team. Same for Nique and Sabonis. I didn't know it was for who has the best talent in players or I would of not made the trade.
But I had a fun time doing this. Good luck to the rest of the teams. |
You gave up Moses and Baylor for a Run-N-Gun, but you should have gave up the others to fit THEIR system. They are once in a lifetime talents - you don't give those away. |
8 others vs. moses and baylor. I think it would be hard to give up 8 others in a trade and keep those two. lol I had a plan of Moses and Baylor come off the bench before I made the trade but it just did not look right.
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| 8 others vs. moses and baylor. I think it would be hard to give up 8 others in a trade and keep those two. lol I had a plan of Moses and Baylor come off the bench before I made the trade but it just did not look right. |
I know what you're saying, but the 8 others are barely Baylor/Moses talent. I would surround THEM with players to fit the bill. That's only my opinion, but if you added a more half court type of style around them, there is no doubt you would have made the top 8.
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Thanks for your time and effort judges, and fellow GMs, lot of fun to play.
I had Perfecto ranked higher, it'll be a challenge. Best of luck everybody.
Klew - As others have said I think the lack of a truly dominant player hurt you, no one has to be doubled. Your best player is Oscar and he's a facilitator. Have to pair the great 1 with a great big and Ewing is good but in this competition middle of the pack. Howard can swat but can't D and can't leave the block, too limited. Clyde is a nice player but a complementary piece.
Kobe - What assumptions if any do we make on game rules? Are zones allowed, handchecking, new rules? Do starting fives have to be announced ahead of time (with no bait and switch where starters exit in the first minute)? Some guidelines on all that stuff would help. |
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| Kobe - What assumptions if any do we make on game rules? Are zones allowed, handchecking, new rules? Do starting fives have to be announced ahead of time (with no bait and switch where starters exit in the first minute)? Some guidelines on all that stuff would help. |
This was something I was never sure about. Zones are new to the game, as are no handchecking).
To be fair, how about no zone defense, but hand checking IS legal.
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Just a little thought. Why don't we open a poll and let people vote on the match ups? You can always make the judges' votes count for half of the votes and the other half, the people here.
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Thanks to the Judges for putting the time in to rank all of the teams.
Glad to see I got in the playoffs.
Good luck to everyone remaining.
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Sounds good Kobe. Old school rules fits since most of the players were under those rules.
Also need a call from you on whether starting 5's are to be announced in advance. if so, need a rule that teams can't bait and switch, they start they have to play the first 10 minutes. |
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Sounds good Kobe. Old school rules fits since most of the players were under those rules.
Also need a call from you on whether starting 5's are to be announced in advance. if so, need a rule that teams can't bait and switch, they start they have to play the first 10 minutes. |
Starting 5 will be needed. After that, do whatever you want. IF you want to start a player for one minute and take them out after, be my guest.
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Just to let you all know, this is probably the last thing I'm going to do on CL. I'm having a hard time coming on this site recently. If this goes well I'll come back for challenges.
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| Starting 5 will be needed. After that, do whatever you want. IF you want to start a player for one minute and take them out after, be my guest. |
That defeats the purpose of requiring starting 5's in advance Kobe. You can just bait and switch and a 500 word writeup designed to beat a certain 5 is out the window. imo it's either require the 5 in advance and no bait and switch or don't require the 5 at all. Given the word limit there just isn't space to cover a bait and switch. If you want the freedom for coaches to do whatever they want then I'd vote instead for not requiring starting 5's ahead of time since it would be meaningless. |
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| Starting 5 will be needed. After that, do whatever you want. IF you want to start a player for one minute and take them out after, be my guest. |
That defeats the purpose of requiring starting 5's in advance Kobe. You can just bait and switch and a 500 word writeup designed to beat a certain 5 is out the window. imo it's either require the 5 in advance and no bait and switch or don't require the 5 at all. Given the word limit there just isn't space to cover a bait and switch. If you want the freedom for coaches to do whatever they want then I'd vote instead for not requiring starting 5's ahead of time since it would be meaningless. |
Change then:
Starters in for first 10 mintes.
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ok thanks man. That should be all we need on guidelines, thanks for taking care of it. Good luck with what you're doing in 2008, hope it all goes well for you.
When are starting 5's due? |
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For the playoffs, there is going to be a STRICT 500 word limit write-up about how your team is better and how you could beat your opponent.
This is due Sunday at 11 PM EST (8 PM PST). All PM's are to be sent to me before then. If you don't, you WILL lose. Plain and simple.
Starting 5 is due then. No zone, handchecks are legal.
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| ok thanks man. That should be all we need on guidelines, thanks for taking care of it. Good luck with what you're doing in 2008, hope it all goes well for you. |
I'll be fine. The site has changed a lot, and as much as I love talking about the game, I think it's about time to move on. Thanks for the kind words though Sky, you've always been one of my favorites here.
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I didnt know the teams were based on talent, I doubt the judges even read the write-ups.
Why even have a playoffs? Just give the title to Sky we all know he is going to be the winner. Thats how it always ends up. |
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i knew some folks would disagree with my evaluations of teams and I apologize if you disagree with me, but do know that i didnt make these rankings on a whim, rather i spent entirely to much time reading the write ups, on basketball reference, consulting other basketball minds i know and using other resources. Like i said if you want further rational just shoot me a pm or post here, i am about to leave for a 12 hour day at work and will be pretty snowed in until friday afternoon, but i will do my best to dialogue with anyone and everyone.
the one thing i am interested in is seeing the players rankings. With things like this it is always going to end up with a great degree of discrepancy between ranks just because we all have different opinions on players and our memories are so different.
Lastly how does the playoff work exactly???
for the record klew i completely agree with sky in his evaluation.
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Klew - As others have said I think the lack of a truly dominant player hurt you, no one has to be doubled. Your best player is Oscar and he's a facilitator. Have to pair the great 1 with a great big and Ewing is good but in this competition middle of the pack. Howard can swat but can't D and can't leave the block, too limited. Clyde is a nice player but a complementary piece.
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I didnt know the teams were based on talent, I doubt the judges even read the write-ups.
Why even have a playoffs? Just give the title to Sky we all know he is going to be the winner. Thats how it always ends up. |
A. First don't try to bypass the swear filter.
B. Sorry didn't read the writeups becuase simply I never got them. I was subbing becucase the competition needed a third judge to get you guys through. However with that said I still took a good bit of time going through the teams and seeing how they would do in head to head matchups.
C. honestly I can't see a writeup that would have made that much of a difference in my judgement. When it was all said and done I don't think really think your team could compete offensively and it's bread and butter was D which is great but, against the greats doubt would have been enough. I mean both Zo and Wallace are undersized for instance plus not too mention zo from 00 was a shell of his former self by then and Charles is too undersized. Bird is good defender but, isn't the most athletic guy in the universe and that would hurt him. Bowen is also a good defender but, does nothing offensively. Sorry bro it was an overall good team just not quite good enough to make the top 8.
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| ok thanks man. That should be all we need on guidelines, thanks for taking care of it. Good luck with what you're doing in 2008, hope it all goes well for you. |
I'll be fine. The site has changed a lot, and as much as I love talking about the game, I think it's about time to move on. Thanks for the kind words though Sky, you've always been one of my favorites here. |
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I didnt know the teams were based on talent, I doubt the judges even read the write-ups.
Why even have a playoffs? Just give the title to Sky we all know he is going to be the winner. Thats how it always ends up. |
A. First don't try to bypass the swear filter.
B. Sorry didn't read the writeups becuase simply I never got them. I was subbing becucase the competition needed a third judge to get you guys through. However with that said I still took a good bit of time going through the teams and seeing how they would do in head to head matchups.
C. honestly I can't see a writeup that would have made that much of a difference in my judgement. When it was all said and done I don't think really think your team could compete offensively and it's bread and butter was D which is great but, against the greats doubt would have been enough. I mean both Zo and Wallace are undersized for instance plus not too mention zo from 00 was a shell of his former self by then and Charles is too undersized. Bird is good defender but, isn't the most athletic guy in the universe and that would hurt him. Bowen is also a good defender but, does nothing offensively. Sorry bro it was an overall good team just not quite good enough to make the top 8.
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C - Alonzo Mourning (00's), Ben Wallace(00's)
PF - Charles Barkley (90's), Dave Cowens (70's)
SF - Larry Bird (80's), Bruce Bowen (90's)
SG - Ron Harper (80's), Adrian Dantley (70's)
PG - Lenny Wilkens (60's), Dave Bing (60's)
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Biggest thing why I didnt vote your team in the top eight. CHEMISTRY. Do you actually believe Barkley and Bird can exist in the frontcourt? Their horrendous defense will get Mourning in foul trouble.. so what do you replace them? Bowen for Bird? That quick drop in talent will kill any teams. Zo gets in foul trouble so you replace him with a 6-7 center? Picture KAJ skyhooking over Wallace. Prime Shaq vs Prime Wallace? NO CONTEST. Wilt? Hakeem? Malone? Big Ben would become Little Ben and "For Whom The Bells Toll" becomes a muted Toll. Also you have Ron Harper as your starting SG? Harper is terrific, but in an all time game? Wilkens at PG and replaced by Bing.. all you did was get weaker defensively and a shoot first back up PG. I can keep going on and on and how fundamentally bad the makeup of your team is but it would take me all day of typing. Just no Chemistry, No Identity. You started with Bird and man I wished you could have built a team around a talent like him.. but as the case may be. NO SOUP FOR YOU.
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