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z32
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Dammit, just came home, and I see this terrible news for Ariza..........this sucks. Doesn't this pretty much mean a season-ending injury? I mean, now when he supposedly "should" return in 8 more weeks, it'll be the Playoffs already or pretty darn close to it, and I don't think Phil will just put him in the lineup at that crucial time with his basketball rhythm being completely off. 
At least Drew is still on schedule..... |
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lets not forget what was posted by Moises a while back
here guys with very similar injuries to what Ariza suffered
Michael Owen (2006): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 17 weeks later
Wayne Rooney (2004): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 8 weeks returned 14 weeks later
David Beckham (2002): Second metatarsal - predicted 6 weeks returned 7 weeks later
Gary Neville (2002): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 21 weeks later
Ashley Cole (2005): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 12 weeks later
Scott Parker (2004): Second metatarsal - predicted 8 weeks returned 34 weeks later
Danny Murphy (2002): Second metatarsal - predicted 6 weeks returned 21 weeks later
Steven Gerrard (2004): Fifth metatarsal - predicted 6-8 weeks returned 10 weeks later
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| we might need to add another wing, maybe even Devean George if he becomes available (of course, I'd still love to snatch Quinton Hosley out of Turkey, but that move would probably cost Dr. Buss at least $1.5 million considering the buyout, so I know that's probably pie in the sky). |
I ought to ban you for that. |
Did he say Devean George? Oh no!!!!
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KB24@CL
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: |
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We don't need more DUMB players...
we had to deal with many in the last few years
Slava
George
Rush
Jones
Evans
Smush
Cook
Odom
Kwame
Atkins
Tierre Brown
Sasha
please...now we have a lot of players that know what they need to do and how they can play and do things. Its a lot more fun to see proper basketball on the floor. Goerge would screw it all over with his bone head plays.
Hosley is worth a shot tho...he has been terrific in Turkey.
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| We should really be ok @ 3. Ariza is just a defensive bonus. A great guy, but we'll live without him... Bynum is super important though, and he is on schedule. My guess is that we'll see him at the end of May. Just being conservative here. |
end of May?
That would be at or near the end of the Western Conference Finals!
It's unfortunate that Ariza will take longer. It basically means he'll have next to no impact this season. See ya next year Ariza. |
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alberto
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| Although Vlad is no where near the defensive player Ariza is, he played pretty good D on the road trip. |
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Hmmm PE.com says Bynum and Ariza are target to return on March 9..
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Still on Target
Andrew Bynum (left knee) and Trevor Ariza (fractured right foot) both are on target to return around March 9. |
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I haven't read the entired thread, but weren't there stories when we traded for Trevor that he had structural problems with his feet?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| We should really be ok @ 3. Ariza is just a defensive bonus. A great guy, but we'll live without him... Bynum is super important though, and he is on schedule. My guess is that we'll see him at the end of May. Just being conservative here. |
end of May?
That would be at or near the end of the Western Conference Finals! |
Sorry, I wanted to write "March," but wrote "May" for some reason.
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| we might need to add another wing, maybe even Devean George if he becomes available (of course, I'd still love to snatch Quinton Hosley out of Turkey, but that move would probably cost Dr. Buss at least $1.5 million considering the buyout, so I know that's probably pie in the sky). |
I ought to ban you for that. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe even Devean George if he becomes available (of course, I'd still love to snatch Quinton Hosley out of Turkey, but that move would probably cost Dr. Buss at least $1.5 million considering the buyout, so I know that's probably pie in the sky). |
You have some off the wall ideas sometimes CB, but this one crossed over from Robin Williams to Jeffery Damer.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| leftymo wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
| We should really be ok @ 3. Ariza is just a defensive bonus. A great guy, but we'll live without him... Bynum is super important though, and he is on schedule. My guess is that we'll see him at the end of May. Just being conservative here. |
end of May?
That would be at or near the end of the Western Conference Finals!
It's unfortunate that Ariza will take longer. It basically means he'll have next to no impact this season. See ya next year Ariza. |
And it could be a blessing in disguise. If Ariza would have played the entire season, he might have played himself into a better contract. Now, he'll probably take the qualifying offer.
I honestly don't think we will win it this year anyway. Bynum needs some playoff experience and Kobe isn't at full strength. Couple that with the fact that I think this team will need a full training camp and defense at the 3 to be a true championship contender and that makes next year our year.
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karacha
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This is also true. We might be able to re-sign Ariza, who is a perfect defensive role-player cheap.
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sleepin4matty
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| Savory Griddles wrote: |
| leftymo wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
| We should really be ok @ 3. Ariza is just a defensive bonus. A great guy, but we'll live without him... Bynum is super important though, and he is on schedule. My guess is that we'll see him at the end of May. Just being conservative here. |
end of May?
That would be at or near the end of the Western Conference Finals!
It's unfortunate that Ariza will take longer. It basically means he'll have next to no impact this season. See ya next year Ariza. |
And it could be a blessing in disguise. If Ariza would have played the entire season, he might have played himself into a better contract. Now, he'll probably take the qualifying offer.
I honestly don't think we will win it this year anyway. Bynum needs some playoff experience and Kobe isn't at full strength. Couple that with the fact that I think this team will need a full training camp and defense at the 3 to be a true championship contender and that makes next year our year. |
I'm curious to see how this team works together in the postseason once everyone is healthy. LO is quite a load for any team in the playoffs and coupld that with Gasol and Bynum and we have a hell of a team that I doubt anybody wants to face in the 1st round. I think we will make some noise but I worry about playing either the Pistons or the Spurs. We have no answer for TP's speed and Detroit is a dang good defensive team (one of two teams to hold opponents under 90pts/game). I think the Pistons can and probably will beat out the Celts in the playoffs. |
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| god this sucks. |
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Terrible news about Ariza. This makes it even more important to trade Odom for a real small forward with a defensive edge to him. Despite the glitz and glamor of offense that most NBA fans love to see, defense wins championships.
It is often "no-names" like Ariza, not unlike a Bowen, T.Prince or Posey, who helps with lock down defense on the perimeter that helps teams get over the hump to win a ring. A healthy Ariza on our squad would have provided invaluable defensive minutes for us in the playoffs, and now it is no longer guaranteed he'll be there.
Odom for either Battier, AK47, or Artest would be HUGE for our team's chances this year if Kobe can keep his finger attached. Even the rumored Caron would be an improvement IF he is healthy. Odom has not been successful as a SF in the past... his outside shot is suspect and he is too slow for the elite SFs to keep them in check. C'mon Mitch, do it!
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lakefansac
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I haven't read the entired thread, but weren't there stories when we traded for Trevor that he had structural problems with his feet? |
Yes, I was thinking the same thing as you.
Yes, there were stories. That's what the Magic said about him when they traded him. I think Emplay did an interview with Ariza where he avoided the subject of injuries to his foot in response to claims made my the Orlando Magic.
Didn't expect that injury to bite the Lakers later on, but it did.
It's probably why Ariza will probably take his player option of 3 million instead of becoming an unrestricted free agent. |
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UKUGA wrote:
I haven't read the entired thread, but weren't there stories when we traded for Trevor that he had structural problems with his feet? |
Yes, I was thinking the same thing as you.
Yes, there were stories. That's what the Magic said about him when they traded him. I think Emplay did an interview with Ariza where he avoided the subject of injuries to his foot in response to claims made my the Orlando Magic.
Didn't expect that injury to bite the Lakers later on, but it did.
It's probably why Ariza will probably take his player option of 3 million instead of becoming an unrestricted free agent. |
I think this injury is a blessing in disguise. I would much rather give him the 3 million than the MLE money he probably would deserve. |
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The injury situation is finally making me accept that this is probably not going to be our year...barring some type of miracle.
Most likely, we'll put together a decent run this year (2-3 rounds in the playoffs), but it won;t be enough and we'll be starting over with a (hopefully healthy) lineup next fall.
Next season we'll be one of the top teams in the West, and will be battling it out with other up and coming contenders like Portland, New Orleans, and Utah for the top seed.
The older elites (SA, DAL, and PHX) will be a year older and closer to fading away..
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Cashing in Lamar right now is short sighted too....his contract is valuable, and who knows what type of deal/player we could swap it for in the next year.
Knowing that....we shouldn't be pushed into a hasty move just to get rid of him or try to compensate for a temporary (injury related) weakness in the lineup.
Even with the weakness at the 3, we are a very good team.
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This is very painful. I really enjoyed watching Ariza play and develop into a defensive stud.
What is with the Lakers and injuries?!!! |
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| This is very painful. |
Imagine how Trevor feels, if you feel it too.
This just sucks, but we'll get through, the worst part of all of this is that since our offense is sophisticated compared to most others, is that, getting into a groove with your teammates is going to prove difficult. But we should be aight. |
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Is there a deadline for requesting cap relief when you lose a player for the rest of the season? We got relief when Mihm first went down.
Maybe Kobe will see this setback as a reason to get his finger fixed. Maybe he will see it as proof that he shouldn't.
I like Trevor's game and think he can develop his midrange jumpshot. Given that outlook, if his foot does not look like a chronic problem, I think we should give him all the time he can use and make sure we don't lose him by cheaping out. I don't mind spending Buss' money  |
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Sad news about Trevor. Breaks my heart.  |
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I remember when Derek Fisher was a young player and he got injured. He hurt his foot right? He had no jump shot and came back with a developed jump shot. Hopefully Derek can part some of his wisdom on Trevor on how to work on his jump shot while having an injured foot.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Savory Griddles wrote: |
| leftymo wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
| We should really be ok @ 3. Ariza is just a defensive bonus. A great guy, but we'll live without him... Bynum is super important though, and he is on schedule. My guess is that we'll see him at the end of May. Just being conservative here. |
end of May?
That would be at or near the end of the Western Conference Finals!
It's unfortunate that Ariza will take longer. It basically means he'll have next to no impact this season. See ya next year Ariza. |
And it could be a blessing in disguise. If Ariza would have played the entire season, he might have played himself into a better contract. Now, he'll probably take the qualifying offer.
I honestly don't think we will win it this year anyway. Bynum needs some playoff experience and Kobe isn't at full strength. Couple that with the fact that I think this team will need a full training camp and defense at the 3 to be a true championship contender and that makes next year our year. |
Gotta seize every opportunity that's available. The Lakers have as good a chance as just about any team in the league right now of winning an NBA championship. The Lakers are about as good as the Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Hornets if not a little better. The Lakers are as good as any team back East.
Go after the title NOW and don't settle for next year hypotheticals.
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UKUGA
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Dear Trevor Ariza,
Thank you for dunking on Grant Hill's Duke face on Christmas Day. It was the highlight of my holiday! I'll never forget how loudly I cackled as I hit "replay" on the DVR about 10 straight times.
I hope that you are smart enough to stick around LA and win a championship next year; but if not, best of luck.
Regards,
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| The important thing is that he gets healthy. If he comes back for the playoff run, great. If he doesn't, he will most likely stay around next year and we will be that much stronger. We are not in a desperate win now mode as much as SA, Phoenix and Dallas. We will be strong for 5 year minimum. |
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drew is what is MOST important. the ariza injury is actually a good thing.
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