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last stand

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject:

puffyusaf#2 wrote:

Maddocks15 wrote:

you have a place for IM vs batman, you know it for a fact, maybe even made the thread....and you still battle it out in here. mhihi

its funny to me, in a batman thread you will find all kinds of bias, from both sides, people will always think IM is better then dark knight, like i said, wait to see who gets nominated for more awards and wins them. we cant debate money because batman will catch,kill,repeat iron mans money 3 or 4 times over when all is said and done.

And as Trodgers said that would have a lot to do with the publicity and the death of one of its stars. Had Heath not done such a good job this wouldn't have made so much money. IMO because of his death a "very well played" character became a "perfect" one and a "pretty good" movie became a "all time great" one.

Before people start trying to blast me for being an IM junkie know that I haven't seen the movie so my opinion is based just on TDK. This movie was entertaining and pretty well acted which meant it should of gotten some big bucks. Take away Heath's death I seriously wonder would we be getting the same "Oscar" talk as we are now? I think not.

pretty good

oook

i've seen many movies in my time and i didn't even know ledger was playing joker till he died and before then i was excited for the movie

there was not one boring moment in that entire movie and you can't say that for iron man

i think its the other way around people like you who always try to be the voice of reason want to go against the pack so you claim everyone is overrating the movie because of heaths death

it was a great movie period

you are in the 2% minority in thinking this movie is overrated

thats how good it was

you'd be hard pressed to find more than 3 movies in history to have that much of a consensus excitement over

just because you can't recognize excellent acting and deep storylines doesn't mean everyone is wrong and you being the sophisticated human being were able to slice through all of the praise and hype and ignore heaths death

give us all a break and jump down from your pedestal

next time i feel like watching a video game i'll rent iron man when i decide i feel like watching a real indepth movie i'll rent dark knight simple as that
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject:

last stand"]

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:

Maddocks15 wrote:

you have a place for IM vs batman, you know it for a fact, maybe even made the thread....and you still battle it out in here. mhihi

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pretty good

oook

My opinion

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i've seen many movies in my time and i didn't even know ledger was playing joker till he died and before then i was excited for the movie

That works for you I on the other hand was not overly excited about it but again didn't say I was disappointed about it either

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there was not one boring moment in that entire movie and you can't say that for iron man

Again, this is your opinion I on the other hand don't feel the same way. Does that make you right or me?

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i think its the other way around people like you who always try to be the voice of reason want to go against the pack so you claim everyone is overrating the movie because of heaths death

you do not know me well enough or at all to lump me in with other people as a follower. First and foremost my opinions are mine I have no need to go with or against the pack. You liked (loved) the movie congrats I didn't. Now can I claim you are one of the many lemurs following the Batman cult by professing your love for Heath's great venture? Of course not because it would be untrue and ignorant for me to think that way. I don't I assume that your opinion of the film is solely based on what you deem as movie greatness. I did not discredit your opinion in the future try not to discredit mine.

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it was a great movie period

Again, this is your opinion not mine.

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you are in the 2% minority in thinking this movie is overrated

Congrats for putting a % on my opinion I often wondered where I ranked.

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thats how good it was

you'd be hard pressed to find more than 3 movies in history to have that much of a consensus excitement over

There are alot of movies (No, I will not name them) that have been said were great but didn't get the national acclaim. The fact that something has been watched by many does not make it a great movie. it is an opinion which is only valid to the person who is giving that opinion. You would be hard pressed to find 50% of the people on this thread who would put this movie in their personal top 3 even with it fresh in the memory banks let alone a year from now. Again, I believe (please note the "I") that most are overreacting to this movie but its my opinion.

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just because you can't recognize excellent acting and deep storylines doesn't mean everyone is wrong and you being the sophisticated human being were able to slice through all of the praise and hype and ignore heaths death

So am I to use "your" opinion to measure what "I" think excellent acting and deep storylines are? When did I claim some ultra-level of sophistication? Is it so out of the realm of possiblities that his death had something to do with the overall greatness of this movie? I suppose an artist dying has nothing to do with his/her paintings jumping a couple 100% in prices then either.

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give us all a break and jump down from your pedestal

So you attack me for my opinion on a movie in which I didn't attack anyone personnally and you tell me to get off my pedestal....OOOK. I'll give you a break when you give me one because so far I haven't seen anything you typed in response to my opinion that was directed at changing my view. Instead all you wrote is directed at attacking me personally. Yup I need to give you a break.

[quote]next time i feel like watching a video game i'll rent iron man when i decide i feel like watching a real indepth movie i'll rent dark knight simple as thatquote]

Guess you missed the part where I said I hadn't seen Iron Man but I suppose in your blind defense of TDK you missed that little point.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject:

[quote="puffyusaf#2"]last stand"]

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:

Maddocks15 wrote:

you have a place for IM vs batman, you know it for a fact, maybe even made the thread....and you still battle it out in here. mhihi

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pretty good

oook

My opinion

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i've seen many movies in my time and i didn't even know ledger was playing joker till he died and before then i was excited for the movie

That works for you I on the other hand was not overly excited about it but again didn't say I was disappointed about it either

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there was not one boring moment in that entire movie and you can't say that for iron man

Again, this is your opinion I on the other hand don't feel the same way. Does that make you right or me?

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i think its the other way around people like you who always try to be the voice of reason want to go against the pack so you claim everyone is overrating the movie because of heaths death

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it was a great movie period

Again, this is your opinion not mine.

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you are in the 2% minority in thinking this movie is overrated

Congrats for putting a % on my opinion I often wondered where I ranked.

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thats how good it was

you'd be hard pressed to find more than 3 movies in history to have that much of a consensus excitement over

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give us all a break and jump down from your pedestal

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next time i feel like watching a video game i'll rent iron man when i decide i feel like watching a real indepth movie i'll rent dark knight simple as thatquote]

Guess you missed the part where I said I hadn't seen Iron Man but I suppose in your blind defense of TDK you missed that little point.

i was wrong i lumped you in with the iron man cult

my bad

i really just thought you were one of them

my fault
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject:

^^^^^ i get defensive with batman ever since i was a kid watching the cartoons i've been a fan i had a batman blanket and batman close i was batman for halloween when i was 8 it is a movie up for opinion and we disagree my fault _________________ everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine 1. charlize theron 2. vanessa hudgens 3. megan fox 4. hayden panettierre 5. jessica biel 6. kim kardashian 7. gabrielle union 8. jessica alba 9. elisha cuthbert 10. Nicole Scherzinger

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject:

last stand wrote:

^^^^^

i get defensive with batman

ever since i was a kid watching the cartoons i've been a fan

i had a batman blanket and batman close

i was batman for halloween when i was 8

it is a movie up for opinion and we disagree

my fault

its not opinion, when its batman its all facts.

if you dont like it, time to question your life......yes....i went there mhihi

I KID....
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

I find it interesting as long time batman fan that you found Heath's Joker so approving. The following was a post I put in the "which jack is better" thread in which I broke down (in a simple way) why I liked Jacks Joker better.

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Having seen Black Knight today I have to still go with Jacks Joker. I think this thread reflects life in the sense that the latest memory is the best memory.

Heath was dark and senister and it played extremely well but IMO he (or the script) left out the true genius of the Joker. I said in the DK thread that his attacks were basic which doesn't scream Joker to me. I in no way am taking anything from Heath because I truelly enjoyed the evolution of his Joker and as someone stated in this time it would be perfect.

THAT BEING SAID............

I'll still take Jack's his Joker was evil, psyco and really put the mental picture (I had) of the Joker into play. The Joker loved chaos and money and loved killing in creative ways IMO. Jacks Joker saved what was basically a crappy movie as some said he was the bigger player on the batman. All I say is look at the scene with the hand zapper and tell me any joker scene in BK was better. The lethality, the punch line and the sheer cruelty of it was everything I pictured the Joker to be and more. Heath was good but IMO Jack was better

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Being a die-hard fan of Batman did you really think Heath's Joker was the vision you had?
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject:

I just saw it again. I don't think I really want to watch it a third time that much, unless it's in IMAX. _________________

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go. _________________ "no matter what — no matter how hard, how far, or how many stand in my way, I remain determined."

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

I just got back from seeing it. The best compliment I can give it was that for much of the movie it did not seem like a super hero movie. It seemed more like a consideration of human nature. I was as much bothered by it as I enjoyed it. To pull that off in the context of a comic book movie was amazing. _________________ "All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree." James Madison, at the Constitutional Convention, 1787

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:

ladam24 wrote:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go.

I know I am not arguing with anyone. I just voiced my opinion on the $ aspect of the movie. I have yet to give any detailed opinion on the movie itself though through my post you can probably see where I stand on the film.

I agree it is a matter of opinion as to what this movie is and isn't but people seem to be bothered by those who question the "greatness" of this film.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

Helljumper wrote:

I just saw it again. I don't think I really want to watch it a third time that much, unless it's in IMAX.

IMAX was awesome. Made the movie 10 times better. I literally felt like I was going to fall into the screen during a few scenes. lol
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

IMAX is really the only way to watch that movie....it brings it so alive, it makes everything so.....in your face. _________________ Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn...

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject:

puffyusaf#2 wrote:

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Being a die-hard fan of Batman did you really think Heath's Joker was the vision you had?

there are two types of jokers at least two famous ones

there is the playful comic book style which burton decided to portray

and then there is the psychopathic murderous villain nolan chose

i've seen jacks joker along with michael keatons batman several times and while at the time i thought noone would beat those two here comes heath and bale to wipe them out.

you could attribute that to writing and directing but i think batman was always meant to be dark and grimey

the whole i'm squeaky clean with boy wonder robin doesn't play to the whole batman fighting style of relying on shadows and darkness. same with joker he is meant to be a playful as jack portrayed him.

but thats why i feel heath was better for me it was all about how heath changed the joker into something better. joker was just as tame as batman in the burton film yeah he killed people but his methods were so tame.

gasing and shooting

the joker IMO was changed for the better to battle batman who has limits you must have none you must be willing to do anything and kill in anyway.

jack played the joker closer to its character but heath improved the character and made him a limitless psychopathic murder who knows no bounds

it simply makes him a much more unbeatable villain and much more entertaining

that is where heath gets the nod
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject:

ladam24 wrote:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go.

It's my opinion that it's not a matter of opinion. Oh, dear...the regress begins.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject:

trodgers wrote:

ladam24 wrote:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go.

It's my opinion that it's not a matter of opinion. Oh, dear...the regress begins.

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject:

ladam24 wrote:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go.

It's a message board it;s what we do. ]

not to mention when you get comcibook fans in a room there is going to be WWIII. Just how it is.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject:

strikemode14 wrote:

ladam24 wrote:

Why are people still arguing. It's a matter of personal opinion. Let it go.

It's a message board it;s what we do. ]

not to mention when you get comcibook fans in a room there is going to be WWIII. Just how it is.

i never read the comics

but i've seen every batman movie (michael keaton versions 5 times each and batman begins 6 times and dark knight 2 times hoping for the 3rd to be in IMAX)

i saw both the kilmer and clooney movies once each and that was enough

watched the animated series the one that mark hamil did the joker voice which was a very good series by the way

i love this franchise its my childhood and i thank nolan for portraying it how it should have been portrayed from the beginning

i only have really 3 franchises i have stuck by through thick and thin

james bond
batman
indiana jones

its a good year for me you can say
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject:

I am sorry I over-looked this post I didn't mean to not respond so here you go.

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[="Weezy"]I think it's very easy to sit and say that the Dark Knight doesn't make as much money if Heath didn't die, but without proof, it's just one person's opinion. Maybe, people just like Batman, maybe this was just a hugely anticipated sequel. I mean Batman Begins made a lot of money, but it had to bring people back from the disaster that was Batman and Robin. So the people that saw Begins got interested again, then they saw their favorite villain the Joker and were plastered with marketing and commercials for what feels like a year and anticipation grew. Maybe, just maybe, people saw this as another Star Wars, another huge sequel to go see and Heath's death had nothing to do with it.

All those are very possible as well as the opposite of each one of those. The point was that if either is possible then how can anyone claim that everyone will see it the same way?

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I mean I can see what that's a thought and a possibility, but does everything have to have a negative behind it?

Show me where "everything" I posted had a negative behind it?

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Your last comments about Oscar talk strike me as yet more hate, "I think not" as if you're almost disgusted at the praise the movie is getting because you didn't think it was that great.

So it is hate becuase I believe that it is human nature to glorify a death for profit? I can not see how you got "disgusted" from my post when I have praised Heath's portrail of the Joker. Also, would the same not apply to you since you basically called my opinion "hate"?

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I mean read that line 'take away Heath's death I seriously wonder would we be getting the same "Oscar" talk as we are now?" It's a human being, you talk about it as if it were a positive for the movie's money making ability, geez

So because he was a human being that takes away from the exploitation of his death? You are telling me that this wasn't the case? Two weeks before the movie aired all over the news was "Will their be a tribute to Heath at the end of TDK?". You act as if I crossed some moral line by commenting that what I saw as a pretty good movie most are claiming it was great. IMO that has a lot to do with the acting, the action and yes the death of one its premier stars.

I took from watching the movie that opinion that it was definately a good movie to see and that diehard Batman fans would not be disappointed nor would the casual fan. I even stated I thought the movie as it was would and should of made big bucks because overall it was a good film that was entertaining. I said earlier and I'll say it again like 3/4 of Southern Californians I too am an actor and know how hard it is to get into a role like Heath went into I have a lot of respect for his choice. That being said I wasn't sold on the Joker the way it was played and I wasn't sold that this was a "top 5" movie of all time as Last Stand stated. My statement was a true question not some disrespect to the memory of Heath Ledger whom 99% of the people on this board and planet could have cared less about before his Joker role.

I watched the movie as a person watching a movie without consideration to Heath's death and I came away with this exact thought "Nice flick, I am not disappointed I saw it but I could of waited for the video". Then with my wife we discussed the Joker in which I said the following " I liked Heath's Joker he went to a deep place for that role. The character was dark and the tongue thing was disturbing but it lacked something for me. The Joker I invisioned loved money and set elaborate traps with off the wall creativity not those basic bombs and guns. As a matter of fact he reminded me more of the Riddler than the Joker". With those thoughts I have to wonder if more people would of saw it the way I did had Heath not died and again I think not. If you agree with me or not is not the point, the point is that it is my opinion of the movie and fans reaction to it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject:

last stand wrote:

puffyusaf#2 wrote:

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Being a die-hard fan of Batman did you really think Heath's Joker was the vision you had?

Thanks. I can see your POV on the two and while I still disagree on which I enjoyed more I can respect the argument.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject:

lakerzkb8 wrote:

Helljumper wrote:

I just saw it again. I don't think I really want to watch it a third time that much, unless it's in IMAX.

IMAX was awesome. Made the movie 10 times better. I literally felt like I was going to fall into the screen during a few scenes. lol

I have seen the movie twice I think its time to send it off by watching TDK on an IMAX screen.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject:

PurpleandGold_O.C. wrote:

lakerzkb8 wrote:

Helljumper wrote:

I just saw it again. I don't think I really want to watch it a third time that much, unless it's in IMAX.

IMAX was awesome. Made the movie 10 times better. I literally felt like I was going to fall into the screen during a few scenes. lol

I have seen the movie twice I think its time to send it off by watching TDK on an IMAX screen.

Your going to love it on IMAX. Not only is the screen way larger and much clearer, but it's LOUDER as well so a few scenes just seem THAT much more suspensful. I enjoyed it a lot on IMAX t
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject:

lakerzkb8 wrote:

PurpleandGold_O.C. wrote:

lakerzkb8 wrote:

Helljumper wrote:

I just saw it again. I don't think I really want to watch it a third time that much, unless it's in IMAX.

IMAX was awesome. Made the movie 10 times better. I literally felt like I was going to fall into the screen during a few scenes. lol

I have seen the movie twice I think its time to send it off by watching TDK on an IMAX screen.

Your going to love it on IMAX. Not only is the screen way larger and much clearer, but it's LOUDER as well so a few scenes just seem THAT much more suspensful. I enjoyed it a lot on IMAX t

Yep seen it twice now. Third time is going to be on IMAX. jam2

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject:

i just watched it and it definitely exceeded all the hype _________________ "The game getting foul so here's a free throw." http://www.soundclick.com/cachookaman

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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:33 am Post subject:

I'm trying to book tickets for the London IMAX but everything is booked out for at least two weeks. Shame. _________________ "I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot. " - Kobe Bryant.

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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:01 am Post subject:

last stand wrote:

you'd be hard pressed to find more than 3 movies in history to have that much of a consensus excitement over

Excitement? Titanic had a mass of excitement. Was it a great, great film? Not even close.

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