C Butler for K Brown according to Vecsey in the NY Post

maddprophet · Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Hotlanta, GA.

not mentioned in all this kwame talk is the ability of phil to get more out of this kid than anyone else has so far. experience wise he should be on the cusp of breaking out, put that with the guidence phil and co. will provide, i believe this kid will really blossom given the chance.

i figure he would want to prove doubters wrong after being dismissed from the wizz during the playoffs. that had to be a big blow to his ego. he's gotta want to redeem himself, and give a big "F" you to the wizz after everything. we have the best coach in the game, imagine what he can do for kwame's development???? man4

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KBnLO · Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 837

I don't know why everyone is so high on Caron. I like the guy too, but the team needs another big and Caron is the El Matador.

Let's put it in a scenario.

If we keep Caron, our power forward rotation would look like this.

Grant, Turiaf, Cook and Slava. Grant gets injured, which he would most likely would, then we have to depend on a rookie. Now Turiaf maybe good, but if he's in foul trouble, we would depend on Cook and Slava to bail us out. I don't think anyone here would like to see that!

If we trade Caron for Brown, then our power forward rotation will look like this.

Brown, Grant and Turiaf. Very solid rotation which gives us the insurance if for some reason one of the three gets injured or gets into foul trouble.

Odom will still have Jones and George who are very solid backups.

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verbal- talkin bout my sig??

no one has noticed it, or at least no comments. old school indeed. KRS ONE and Channel Live. that was some hot shyt!
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TalkieWalkie · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject:

Vescy has been known to give ACCURATE info on trades... His track record is flawless.... deal

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verbal- talkin bout my sig??

no one has noticed it, or at least no comments. old school indeed. KRS ONE and Channel Live. that was some hot shyt!

Most def, dawg!

props! jam2

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slomo24 · Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 502 Location: McDonough, GA

As long as Juan Dixon is included in the deal, I'm all for it. That makes our MLE and LLE that much more flexible. Juan can play decent D and shows up for big games. If we still do get AD, you can believe Atkins will be leaving, probably to Atlanta for picks and some scrubs. Juan and Kwame can really help this team out, and it seems like the most reasonable trade I've heard on this board for a while. The Wiz don't want Kwame and are willing to part with Juan. Caron can score and be a substitute Larry Hughes until the find a more permanent solution.
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LakersCourt · Joined: 23 Oct 2003 Posts: 949

March 17, 2004. Kwame Brown showed what kind of potential this kid has when he "played like a beast" against Sacramento and went for career highs in both points and rebounds, putting up 30 points and pulling down 19 rebounds. man4

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I'm telling you. I don't know why this trade can't be done? I personally say Kwame Brown for Caron Butler straight up. However, I would love it if we could get an unconditional first round pick in the future as a result.

A lineup of

Antonio Daneils
Kobe Bryant
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Chris Mihm

This could be a very scary lineup.

Mitch if you pull this off tust me, you are going to come out on top in the long run. jam2

LakerLove · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 37 Location: Los Angeles

caron for kwame and there 06 1st round

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GuRu · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:

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Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:33 pm Post subject:

how does getting brown around the MLE hurt the chance of getting AD? i guess that means getting any player in a trade will hurt our chances too?

Jordan-esque · Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 4675 Location: So Cal in Sept

Someone mentioned that it's funny that other teams are offering less for Kwame than the Lakers are.

Memphis is offering James Posey for Kwame Brown.

Inidana is offering Fred Jones for Kwame Brown.

Whilst... the Lakers are offering Caron Butler for Kwame Brown.

If I were the Wizards and Mitch somehow put this offer on the table, I'd had taken it without hesitation by now, because I'd be getting away with murder in acquiring Caron.

For the Lakers to do a straight up trade of Caron and Kwame will be dumb on Mitch's part. That's pretty much saying that Caron Butler = Fred Jones, or that Caron Butler = James Posey.
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Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:

ummmm thats what im saying..... u said us getting kwame in a S&T around the MLE price range would hurt our chances of landing AD. i really want to know how you came to that conclusion...

all this talking is making just want to keep caron.... if they want devean, sahsa, chucky, cook, slava, grant, divac then go ahead.... but keeping caron is a huge risk if we hold onto him all year. come next summer he'd command a huge payday, which im more than convinced the lakers wont be willing to pay... if he wants $5 a year then he can stay. but i see some idiot team maxing him out at the first opportunity.

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SWOL · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:

MY THING IS THIS, IF WE ARE GOING TO TRADE BUTLER, WE HAD BETTER GET A STARTING PF OUT OF IT, WITH KWAME YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING, IF JARVIS HAYES AND JUAN DIXON WERE INCLUDED ID LOOK AT IT, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT NEEEEE
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strikemode14 · Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:51 pm Post subject:

I would not trade Caron for Kwame in any circumstance. Caron is a pretty good player whereas Kwame is a projected player with a bad attitude. The probelm with him being a project player is he has already been in the league 4 years. He needs to improve his game alot and from what I have seen from his attitude I doubt he will. If we just had to get Kwame I say we either sign him with the MLE or use George and Walton and do a S&T that's the best I can do for Kwame. Anything more would be a mismatch trade for the Lakers.
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This just in.......

jminges · Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 6062

CARON WON'T BE TRADED FOR KWAME - IT'S JUST TO GET TEAMS INTERESTED IN THE LAKERS ROSTER

And duh, Brain Grant will be waived, I don't see how that will lessen the value of what the Lakers got in the Shaquille trade. The centerpeice was Lamar Odom, and he's "untouchable" so no pipedream senerios there.

I actually think the team is one "starter" away from a championship. It's a four.

PG Butler/Daniels SG Bryant/Wafer SF Odom/Jones PF TRADE/Turiaf C Mihm/Bynum

TRADE I think we can acquire Kenyon Martin ($10.5 M next year for 15ppg 7.5rpg 2.4apg) for cap relief.
-- His numbers dropped off significantly in the WEST, and they have Nene, Camby, Elson and Sanchez.

In comparison: Carlos Boozer ($11.5 M next year for 17ppg 9.0rpg 2.8apg)

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