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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Why not Etan Thomas?  |
Because Etan Thomas doesn't have the physical gifts that Kwame has. If Kwame ever hits his potential and he is traded.....GOODBYE LEAGUE. You would have Kobe at the 2, who is the best shooting guard in the league. Kwame holding down the 4, Andrew Bynum developing into a dominant low post presence. Not to mention these players(other than Kobe) are cheap.With all of the expiring contracts that we have, we should be in good shape to make a run at LeBron James once he becomes a free agent, and have him be our Magic Johnson of the new millenium running the Point Guard.
Once James is an unrestricted free-agent, we should be under the cap to offer a MAX deal to him.
PG-LeBron James
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Kwame Brown
C-Andrew Bynum
HOLY FREAKIN" CRAP  |
We should be able to offer James a max?
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BadNewsBear

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| LakersCourt wrote: |
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Why not Etan Thomas?  |
Because Etan Thomas doesn't have the physical gifts that Kwame has. If Kwame ever hits his potential and he is traded.....GOODBYE LEAGUE. You would have Kobe at the 2, who is the best shooting guard in the league. Kwame holding down the 4, Andrew Bynum developing into a dominant low post presence. Not to mention these players(other than Kobe) are cheap.With all of the expiring contracts that we have, we should be in good shape to make a run at LeBron James once he becomes a free agent, and have him be our Magic Johnson of the new millenium running the Point Guard.
Once James is an unrestricted free-agent, we should be under the cap to offer a MAX deal to him.
PG-LeBron James
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Kwame Brown
C-Andrew Bynum
HOLY FREAKIN" CRAP  |
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LakersCourt
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:48 am Post subject: |
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My bad!!! I forgot he was a RESTRICTED free agent and not an UNRESTRICTERD one.
Damn, being a Laker fan you really get greedy.  |
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flexxdzl

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Once James is an unrestricted free-agent, we should be under the cap to offer a MAX deal to him.
PG-LeBron James
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Kwame Brown
C-Andrew Bynum
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LEBRON AND KOBE WILL NOT I REPEAT WILL NOT BE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Why not Etan Thomas?  |
Because Etan Thomas doesn't have the physical gifts that Kwame has. If Kwame ever hits his potential and he is traded.....GOODBYE LEAGUE. You would have Kobe at the 2, who is the best shooting guard in the league. Kwame holding down the 4, Andrew Bynum developing into a dominant low post presence. Not to mention these players(other than Kobe) are cheap.With all of the expiring contracts that we have, we should be in good shape to make a run at LeBron James once he becomes a free agent, and have him be our Magic Johnson of the new millenium running the Point Guard.
Once James is an unrestricted free-agent, we should be under the cap to offer a MAX deal to him.
PG-LeBron James
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Kwame Brown
C-Andrew Bynum
HOLY FREAKIN" CRAP  |
PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE AND THE WEAPON, AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP |
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live and die in LA

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:04 am Post subject: |
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i would do caron and slava for kwame and jarid jefferies.
jefferies was their starting PF last year, hes a lanky athletic guy that would be good for us off the bench
we could get a lineup of this:
pg- AD, chucky,sasha
sg- kobe, wafer
sf- odom, jumaine, george
pf- kwame, jefferies, turiaf
c- mihm, bynum _________________ How can you be the king if you have never sat on the throne? |
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Fellas, Lakers need to get bigger. No one is gonna give up Tim Duncan or KG, Kwame is a 7 footer with potential. I'd much rather see them take a chance on a big man than to have 336 swingmen on the roster.
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abeer3
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| i'm warming to this idea as i think about it. washington would have to add another player of some value, though, i'd like jarvis hayes, dixon, or even steve blake. i think they might be willing to give up at least one of those in addition to kwame for butler and vlade's contract. |
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Xepa

Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 6677 Location: somewhere in the world
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| LakersCourt wrote: |
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Why not Etan Thomas?  |
Because Etan Thomas doesn't have the physical gifts that Kwame has. If Kwame ever hits his potential and he is traded.....GOODBYE LEAGUE. You would have Kobe at the 2, who is the best shooting guard in the league. Kwame holding down the 4, Andrew Bynum developing into a dominant low post presence. Not to mention these players(other than Kobe) are cheap.With all of the expiring contracts that we have, we should be in good shape to make a run at LeBron James once he becomes a free agent, and have him be our Magic Johnson of the new millenium running the Point Guard.
Once James is an unrestricted free-agent, we should be under the cap to offer a MAX deal to him.
PG-LeBron James
SG-Kobe Bryant
SF-Lamar Odom
PF-Kwame Brown
C-Andrew Bynum
HOLY FREAKIN" CRAP  |
pipecon 3.
As for the deal, I LOOOOVE KWame, but straight up for Caron??? Ehhh I wouldn't be UPSET but I wouldn't be IN LOVE with the trade. _________________
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Showtime.Revival.05 Clublakers Analyst

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:11 am Post subject: |
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if they add hayes id be happy...but caron for kwame straight up?? _________________ L::F::F::L
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| I THINK PETER VESCEY HAS BEEN READING CL A LITTLE TOO DEEPLY |
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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site note: Etan Thomas has a BYC contract. _________________
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gill

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| site note: Etan Thomas has a BYC contract. |
Which expires on July 28. _________________ A legendary day (81 points) - Jan. 22, 2006 vs. Raptors.
And at the end of 3 quarters, the Mavs - 61, Kobe Bryant - 62 - Dec. 20, 2005
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The Nugget Clublakers Analyst

Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 7917 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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If Caron is too valuable then how much is he worth? From what I hear and see, Caron and Kobe have a strong relationship on and off the court. I bet, they've spend alot of time in the gym talking about the art of basketball and such, and Kobe is a player that you wouldn't mind learning that stuff from... and to me that is worth alot. _________________
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UCLAbadfish

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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Butler for Brown would be horrible for us. I'd rather keep Odom at the 4 and Caron at the 3 _________________
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:36 am Post subject: My opinoin & first post |
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| It seems to me that no matter what happens at the end of the day Caron Butler is in the final year of his CHEAP contract. It is simple CB is a small forward and we all know how many of those we have. Odom is staying so do you really think the Lakers are going to shell out the required money (look at Bobby Simmons 10 mil per) to keep another SF on? He is going, be it now or later he is gone...so why not get a talented big with promise that would cost us considerably less than what CB will demand next year. Just my thoughts. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:41 am Post subject: Re: My opinoin & first post |
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| It seems to me that no matter what happens at the end of the day Caron Butler is in the final year of his CHEAP contract. It is simple CB is a small forward and we all know how many of those we have. Odom is staying so do you really think the Lakers are going to shell out the required money (look at Bobby Simmons 10 mil per) to keep another SF on? He is going, be it now or later he is gone...so why not get a talented big with promise that would cost us considerably less than what CB will demand next year. Just my thoughts. |
Welcome aboard, dawg. And great post. Take the chance on a young 7 footer, Swingmen come a dime-a-dozen in the NBA. |
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nameant

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| i'm surprised no one has talked about if caron was traded, what lamar would do. not too long ago lamar got really "upset" about multiple trade rumors involving caron. dont get me wrong, i dont think the lakers shouldnt trade him b/c of that..but the last thing you need going into the season is a key player "upset". ask the t'wolves... |
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BGil
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:44 am Post subject: |
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I dont know if this is as dumb as everyone is making it out to be. If Phil really likes Odom at 3, then Caron is reduced to a bench role. Something that isnt fair to him, our us. Hes a talented player, and wouldnt get enough minutes (and if he did, we'd be undersized like last year). If we invsted in Kwame and he paid off, its a smart move. Even if he doesnt do much offensively, he is still a big body, something we really need.
Plus, maybe we could include Chucky in the deal (Wash. needs a new combo guard now that Hughes is gone)?
Picking up Kwame and a 1st only brightens LA's future, but losing Butler would hurt |
Didn't Phil or somebody say that Caron would play the two next year and Kobe would play the one? It would make a lot of sense to have Kobe, Caron, and Lamar all splitting the ball-handling duties. It would be unconventional but it could work very well.
Sorry to say this but I don't think a lot of people here really understand the triangle offense. It seems like most people just look at what the Bulls did and what the Lakers did and assume that's the only way it works... it's not. :man7:
The reason why Jordan wasn't the main ball handler/distributer (or PG if you will) was because the team felt Scottie and others were simply better at it than Jordan was. Kobe is a much better ball handler than Jordan ever was so we don't have to keep Kobe at the two. With Caron's jump shooting ability he would be perfect for running off curls and stepbacks (and being our 2 guard). Supposedly he's losing weight and working on his ball-handling this summer because PJ told him he would be used as more of a ball-handler next year.
Kobe
Caron
Odom
Turiaf
Mihm
That's a pretty decent starting five especially if Turiaf develops into a Brian Grant type player. It eliminates our need to find a PG so now we can focus on getting inside players, which are much easier to come by in free agency and the draft. I would love to get Eddie Griffin somehow because that would give us a great low post defender with shot-blocking ability on the cheap.
Defensively that would help us too because it eliminates our PG hole and PF hole. We now have a hole at the two position but I think Caron's defense will get much better and he'll be a good defender in this league.
Kobe/Smush?/sasha
Caron/Wafer
Odom/JJ/Walton
Turiaf/Cook
Eddie G/Mihm
I wouldn't mind having a Tyronne Lue or other small quick guard for those times when we have to guard AI, Tony Parker, or Boykins.
Another post defender/shot blocker would due us well too. Package George, Slava, and Divac for a Theo Ratlif or Robert Horry type player and we're set. |
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Actually, Kobe's handles didn't get good until about 2002 or later. MJ had handles coming out of NC, bro. Kobe was ALWAYS a hazard with the rock early on. |
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ahaider15

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| I dont think its true because the Lakers need a power forward right now immediately and a point guard. Mitch isnt taht stupid where he knows that he could Jamaal Magloire why go get Kwame. |
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DMK Clublakers Analyst

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Kobe is a much better ball handler than Jordan ever was |
Actually, Kobe's handles didn't get good until about 2002 or later. MJ had handles coming out of NC, bro. Kobe was ALWAYS a hazard with the rock early on. |
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John3:16

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick. |
I'd go for that.
If we could get Arenas that would be nice too. Doubt it could happen, but I'd sure love it. |
How do you intend on getting Arenas?  |
I have no idea. I just said it would be nice. We've got people here suggesting KG or Bron are coming to LA and you want to bust on me for saying it would be nice to have Arenas ? :man7: :man7: :man7: _________________
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Kobe is a much better ball handler than Jordan ever was |
Actually, Kobe's handles didn't get good until about 2002 or later. MJ had handles coming out of NC, bro. Kobe was ALWAYS a hazard with the rock early on. |
Kobe's handles > MJ's at any point of his career. |
Nope. Go back and watch Kobe from 96-01..and see how many ball handling TOs he has. MJ was WAY more polished as a ball handler when he came out of NC, which is understandable since KB came from high school. |
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ahaider15

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| Calm down we aint busting we just wondering just like Im wondering how seven got chris weber in LA. Its your opinion you cant be wrong with your opinion. However, I cant see washington trading Arenas when tehy just lost Hughes. |
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sky_hook

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Kwame Brown for Caron Butler? Hell no! What has Kwame Brown done in this league. Yes, he's a big body, but he doesn't play defense and barely scores. He looks lost when he plays. Caron Butler has shown great stuff two years in a row. Kwame hasn't shown squat.
Even if Jerry West likes Kwame Brown.....do you think he would give up Caron Butler for him? I dont think so. |
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Lateralus

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: |
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A player with loads of potential for a player that is already a proven bust?
No thanks. |
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silversyphon41

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| John3:16 wrote: |
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| Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick. |
I'd go for that.
If we could get Arenas that would be nice too. Doubt it could happen, but I'd sure love it. |
How do you intend on getting Arenas?  |
I have no idea. I just said it would be nice. We've got people here suggesting KG or Bron are coming to LA and you want to bust on me for saying it would be nice to have Arenas ? :man7: :man7: :man7: |
In a fantasy, LA could get Arenas. But why stop there, lets bring back MJ and all of the other Hall of Famers. In reality, after losing Hughes, why would they allow Arenas to leave? They've already been in the playoffs, so why would they further dismantle what they are left with? C'mon, think before you make a reply.  _________________ KOBE + BYNUM & TURIAF + GOOD PG = SELL OUT CROWD! BRING BACK THE GLORY DAYS LA! |
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ahaider15

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| silversyphon41 calm down man. Look KG to LA is way more out there then Arenas but truth is thats who he wants maybe in a few years hell sign with the Lakers but who knows. Fact is no one here knows Caron 1 and emplay are great but they are not the GM. THe only person who knows is Kupchak and Buss. So dont say its not possible anything is possible or as Addidas says Impossible is Nothing. Dont bash him man calm down the heat does wierd things to people |
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Showtime.Revival.05 Clublakers Analyst

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| silversyphon41 wrote: |
| John3:16 wrote: |
| silversyphon41 wrote: |
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| Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick. |
I'd go for that.
If we could get Arenas that would be nice too. Doubt it could happen, but I'd sure love it. |
How do you intend on getting Arenas?  |
I have no idea. I just said it would be nice. We've got people here suggesting KG or Bron are coming to LA and you want to bust on me for saying it would be nice to have Arenas ? :man7: :man7: :man7: |
In a fantasy, LA could get Arenas. But why stop there, lets bring back MJ and all of the other Hall of Famers. In reality, after losing Hughes, why would they allow Arenas to leave? They've already been in the playoffs, so why would they further dismantle what they are left with? C'mon, think before you make a reply.  |
dude what the hell all he said was it would be nice to get arenas _________________ L::F::F::L
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