C Butler for K Brown according to Vecsey in the NY Post

KB24@CL · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:39 am Post subject:

Did this thread also go to hell ? great job. thanks bang

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perfecto31 · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:

Antonio Daniels
Kobe Bryant
Lamar Odom
Ronny Turiaf
Kwame Brown
6th- Jurmaine Jones

or...

Antonio Daniels
Kobe Bryant
Lamar Odom
Ronny Turiaf
chris Mihm
6th- caron Butler
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GuRu · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:

sky_hook · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 12:08 pm Post subject:

Savage1 · Joined: 12 Oct 2004 Posts: 1501 Location: NY

I'm all for Kwame. My philosophy is that teams with cap space can spend on proven guys to improve their club. With teams that are over the cap, it becomes more difficult, because if a player isn't infatuated with your city and/or current roster, then a team can't separate themselves from the rest of the pack. With only the MLE and LLE to offer, we are in the same position as many other teams. Unless somebody is looking to do a camp dump, it's difficult to bring in impact players.
For Mitch and other GM's in his same position, he has to be creative. He'll have to take a risk to improve the team, besides using the expiring K's, and Kwame is as good of a risk as any. His value is at an all time low, meaning you have to give up less to get him.
I don't know if people that are against this are just really big Caron fans, or if they just read the negative stuff about Kwame and never really watch him. He has impressive athletiscm and some decent low-post moves, not to mention that he's very young. If you put this guy in a positive environment with a team that has proven that they can develop players, then he'll show improvement. Guys that are far less valueable command more money than Kwame, so if this guy gets locked for 4-5 years, I would very happy.

Kingsama · Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 3981 Location: Tejas

pull the trigger mitch. K is an athletic 7 footer who just got imasculated by Jordan in Washington. The Kidd is still 23 years old and last year with out the injury and team issues averaged 11 and 7. With Mitch giving the MLE to a guard, or so it seems, and boozer esc trades not happening. What black tar herion dreams are the lakers going to use to fill the black hole that is our post? Curry, Tyson "Fragile' " Chandler, please caron isnt bringing those guys back. And the current roster isnt going to get it done.

Bynum? sorry not right away
Ronny? maybe
The retirement ready Divac and Grant?
the chuck it up brothers, cook and medva? please...

or how bout the droves of 4 pt 3 reb a game lle players that will suddenly be the savior at the 4? ie james, hunter, etc...

The lakers have Mihm as a THEIR ONLY NBA TESTED BIG, and he cant stay in the game because of foul trouble. It would be different if Caron could bring back a stellar 4, but as its been said swing men in the L grow on trees and young athletic bigs dont.

In order to make it big in the L you at times have to take Risks, if mitch pulls the trigger on this it will be that a huge risk that will hopefully pay big dividens for the L show...
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Kwame

yes it could turn out to be a big investment but im sure we can get better for Caron....When I think of Kwame i think bust. I know hes still young and a change of scenery can do good but I dont see him doing anything special..Etan Thomas would be better than him...
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Showtime.Revival.05 · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:54 pm Post subject:

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Brown is a big and could still develop into a really good player , but i really like Caron so...Idont know bang

SOAD · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

Dime Dropper · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:

I'm sick of all the Caron trade rumors. At this point I would trade Caron for Etan Thomas just for everyone to shut up.

Guest · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject:

jimbo327 · Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 9965 Location: Where Else?

As much as I love Caron, and have been his supporter since day 1, the Lakers desperately need help at the Center position. Forget about Vlade, he's going to break down, and Mihm has no chance at the C position. And looking at Bynum's play and lack of experience/body development, the kid doesn't even have arms/chest/shoulders yet, he is definitely not ready. We will need help with a big body very quickly or we will be dominated on the boards again like last year.

If we want to make the playoffs, we need to secure the rebound and limit the opponents to 1 possession. Of course, Brown is not my first choice, but there is NOTHING out there. And it doesn't seem like anyone wants to trade with us, or Mitch just can't pull off a trade, whatever the reason, we need something to happen.

Only if Bynum's body was ready for a NBA type game ala Amare, but he is far from it. His arms are so skinny, nothing up top, and the worse part is he doesn't know how to use leverage in boxing out yet. He will need to learn and develop. In the meantime, we seriously need help.

Dime Dropper · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:20 pm Post subject:

Watch it before I suggest Caron for Erick Strickland.

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ahaider15 · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1813 Location: Fresno, Cali

If caron can possibly get you jamaal magloire why get kwame

Its like saying we should get a hamburger instead of a steak where Jamaal Magloire is the steak. And steak it much better

Guest · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:37 pm Post subject:

west-magic-kobe · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:

i like caron like alot of people here........... but if we have the chance to get a legit 7ft young big body who happened to also be the #1 player in the draft a few years ago we have to do it. look at the potential frontcourt we would have of mihm,kwame,bynum & turiaf. that with kobe and lo could be something very ugly to deal with for years to come. plus maybe this trade wakes up kwame into the player he can be. we could potentially be the beast in the west with that size and athletic ability. very tough call to make but i dont see us getting any better big with caron that is available than kwame. only other guy that is young and worth that possibilty is tyson maybe.
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ahaider15 · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1813 Location: Fresno, Cali

just because he was the first pick does not mean that makes him good so many players have been picked who are not that good. Kwame is no good Jamaal magloire is the center i want on my team

John3:16 · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject:

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We will definitely go after Maglore first before Brown. But somehow, I don't think Mitch can pull off that trade. It's too good to be true.

JSM · Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: