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As you may have noticed on your calendar it is getting close to that time of year.
I'll open up registration this week (possibly as early as tonight, depending on how much time I have) and we will not tip-off until after the draft lottery which is on May 20th.
But while I am tinkering/revising the rules, I thought I'd open this up allowing prior and future participants to weigh in with what they liked, disliked, and what they would like to see.
I'll take all suggestions into consideration.
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The biggest change I'm thinking of making is with free agency. I will conduct it in waves. Possibly only two. First being the top 10 FAs (ranked by me) and once they get settled (I'll decide on a time window), the rest can be contacted and signed. That way my inbox doesn't explode and I can better stay atop of the FA situation.
Also thoughts on the assistant GM addition to last year's game? Keep or Toss?
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I thought the optional assistant GM was fine, as long as the assistant knew that he couldn't do anything official with the "league".
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last years rules were fine
I have no suggestions
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last years rules we find to make the Free Agency go smoother I think you could do what you say
Rank them A-Z( or whatever depending on how many)
A - top tier players etc
So for a 2 day span or 3 we can send in offers for those players only then onto the next etc.....Each time up highlight the players available for discussion in a different colour from the rest.
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First of all, thanks for taking into consideration and applying the suggestion to use the real NBA Draft Lottery results.
Now, for this year...I believe I already made this suggestion at the end of last year, but I believe it would be a good idea to have all GM's turn in a gameplan before any transactions are allowed. This would help in the final judging in that you can see who actually stuck to what your plans were and to what degree. I do not feel that the gameplan should be judged as a negative but only as a positive. If a general manager sticks to his gameplan then that should be taken as a positive, but if the general manager does not, it should not be taken as a negative as long as he improves his team.
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First of all, thanks for taking into consideration and applying the suggestion to use the real NBA Draft Lottery results.
Now, for this year...I believe I already made this suggestion at the end of last year, but I believe it would be a good idea to have all GM's turn in a gameplan before any transactions are allowed. This would help in the final judging in that you can see who actually stuck to what your plans were and to what degree. I do not feel that the gameplan should be judged as a negative but only as a positive. If a general manager sticks to his gameplan then that should be taken as a positive, but if the general manager does not, it should not be taken as a negative as long as he improves his team. |
I dont think a game plan is good because what if a deal come along that can totally change your game plan?
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First of all, thanks for taking into consideration and applying the suggestion to use the real NBA Draft Lottery results.
Now, for this year...I believe I already made this suggestion at the end of last year, but I believe it would be a good idea to have all GM's turn in a gameplan before any transactions are allowed. This would help in the final judging in that you can see who actually stuck to what your plans were and to what degree. I do not feel that the gameplan should be judged as a negative but only as a positive. If a general manager sticks to his gameplan then that should be taken as a positive, but if the general manager does not, it should not be taken as a negative as long as he improves his team. |
I dont think a game plan is good because what if a deal come along that can totally change your game plan? |
See bolded section.
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Leave it how it is. It was perfect.
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I think it might be interesting to reevluate last year's final rosters based on this year's real NBA performance.
Andrew Bynum / Roy Hibbert / Nikola Vujcic
Udonis Haslem / Channing Frye / Bo Outlaw
Gerald Wallace / Trevor Ariza / Adrian Griffin
Joe Johnson / Michael Finley / Juan Navarro
Devin Harris / Jason Williams / Darrell Armstrong
1) I think we can look again about the controversial Andrew Bynum trade.
Josh Smith for Andrew Bynum, 1st round pick, Gabe Pruitt (traded for 1st and 2nd pick to Bulls).. so in the end J-Smoove for Bynum, 2 1st, and 1 2nd.
2) Emergence of Devin Harris and his presence in New Jersey.
3) JJ had amazing year, almost beating Celtics in a 7 game. Proved he could be a leader. Wallace had great years too.
3) Got Navarro in exchange for a 2nd round pick. Signed him 2 years at league's minimum. I think that could go on for many of my young players. Frye, Ariza.. who found their rhythm by moving to a new team.
4) $13M expiring
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PG: Stephon Marbury/Steve Blake/Lindsey Hunter
SG: Vince Carter/Maurice Evans/Wesley Person
SF: Rashard Lewis/Ruben Patterson/Eddie Griffin(rip)
PF: Antonio McDyess/Troy Murphy/Josh McRoberts
C: Marcus Camby/Jeff Foster/Randolph Morris
1. I turned the knicks from overpaid junk to overpaid treasure
2. this roster would of made the playoffs
3. I had the 2008 Pacer pick so I would have a lottery pick to add to this roster
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The GM Challenge has been fantastic for the past 2 years and I am looking forward to the 3rd season. I like the idea of doing the free agents in groups, but think that last year's set up would work fine as well.
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| I think it might be interesting to reevluate last year's final rosters based on this year's real NBA performance. |
Interesting sure, but it still wouldn't be accurate. Would Bynum have the same progress in ATL than LA? Too many variables (especially with the mass player movement of the GMC) to look at a player's progression last year and think it would be an accurate representation of how he would have played on your team. I do agree its always interesting to look back the year after though, not disagreeing with that.
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| Podium wrote: |
| jungbum wrote: |
| I think it might be interesting to reevluate last year's final rosters based on this year's real NBA performance. |
Interesting sure, but it still wouldn't be accurate. Would Bynum have the same progress in ATL than LA? Too many variables (especially with the mass player movement of the GMC) to look at a player's progression last year and think it would be an accurate representation of how he would have played on your team. I do agree its always interesting to look back the year after though, not disagreeing with that. |
My first year I had an opportunity to get Deron over Raymond Felton, but I stuck with Felton. Looked good at the time...now.... 
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| Venti Quattro wrote: |
First of all, thanks for taking into consideration and applying the suggestion to use the real NBA Draft Lottery results.
Now, for this year...I believe I already made this suggestion at the end of last year, but I believe it would be a good idea to have all GM's turn in a gameplan before any transactions are allowed. This would help in the final judging in that you can see who actually stuck to what your plans were and to what degree. I do not feel that the gameplan should be judged as a negative but only as a positive. If a general manager sticks to his gameplan then that should be taken as a positive, but if the general manager does not, it should not be taken as a negative as long as he improves his team. |
I dont think a game plan is good because what if a deal come along that can totally change your game plan? |
See bolded section. |
sorry didn't read it fully my bad - but it in end if sticking with game plan is a positive straying should be a negative(unless you stray into success more than you dreamed) too many ifs or and buts imo - let the rules stay as they are
Also it started early last year because we were out of contention and alto of us myself being a main one was bored no lakers - expletive the play-offs..........so after we win the title this year a week later should be a good start date. So I can sober up from celebrations
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| JamrockLakaFan wrote: |
| Also it started early last year because we were out of contention and alto of us myself being a main one was bored no lakers - expletive the play-offs..........so after we win the title this year a week later should be a good start date. So I can sober up from celebrations |
The problem there is that the Finals don't end until mid-late June.
It becomes a constant race against the clock to get events done before the real life counterpart event takes place.
I like to have the bulk of the game done by the time teams start making moves which is draft day. Otherwise it can give the GM ideas based on what the actual team did. Also comparisons begin to arise during the game of well ____ (real life GM) did X but you could only do Y. I don't think that is fair to our GMs.
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fair enough Im just happy to play still - I guess all in all It would be good like between games to have this to do
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| Also it started early last year because we were out of contention and alto of us myself being a main one was bored no lakers - expletive the play-offs..........so after we win the title this year a week later should be a good start date. So I can sober up from celebrations |
The problem there is that the Finals don't end until mid-late June.
It becomes a constant race against the clock to get events done before the real life counterpart event takes place.
I like to have the bulk of the game done by the time teams start making moves which is draft day. Otherwise it can give the GM ideas based on what the actual team did. Also comparisons begin to arise during the game of well ____ (real life GM) did X but you could only do Y. I don't think that is fair to our GMs. |
I don't know what your time frame is for all of this, but it might be kinda cool to have the teams assigned a day or two before the draft lottery, that way the owners who end up with lottery teams have a franchise to root for during the actual lottery.
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I'm working on the GMC Guide right now and figuring up the dates. That should be up either later tonight or sometime early tomorrow.
It will depend on how many more potential GMs contact me, but I'm looking at cutting off signing up on Friday. PM'ing out the entrance exam Friday, making it due either late Sunday or early Monday. Again I can't nail down these exact dates until I get to them on the GMC Guide Page and work on the schedule and see what I think works best. Assigning the teams Monday night. And the draft lottery isn't until Tuesday.
Regardless the teams will be assigned before the draft lottery.
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I'm working on the GMC Guide right now and figuring up the dates. That should be up either later tonight or sometime early tomorrow.
It will depend on how many more potential GMs contact me, but I'm looking at cutting off signing up on Friday. PM'ing out the entrance exam Friday, making it due either late Sunday or early Monday. Again I can't nail down these exact dates until I get to them on the GMC Guide Page and work on the schedule and see what I think works best. Assigning the teams Monday night. And the draft lottery isn't until Tuesday.
Regardless the teams will be assigned before the draft lottery. |
That would be very nice. I have a final exam till Friday. Thank you very much. |
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Arenas / Stoudamire / Shammu
Quintin Ross / Flip Murray / Jalen Rose
Donyell Marhsall /Hakim Warrick/ Jarvis Hayes
Kevin Garnett / Stro Swift / Juwan Howard
Kwame Brown / Oberto / Voshukl
And Under the cap this year
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Arenas / Stoudamire / Shammu
Quintin Ross / Flip Murray / Jalen Rose
Donyell Marhsall /Hakim Warrick/ Jarvis Hayes
Kevin Garnett / Stro Swift / Juwan Howard
Kwame Brown / Oberto / Voshukl
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| JamrockLakaFan wrote: |
Arenas / Stoudamire / Shammu
Quintin Ross / Flip Murray / Jalen Rose
Donyell Marhsall /Hakim Warrick/ Jarvis Hayes
Kevin Garnett / Stro Swift / Juwan Howard
Kwame Brown / Oberto / Voshukl
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lol no offense but that team sucks
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| JamrockLakaFan wrote: |
Arenas / Stoudamire / Shammu
Quintin Ross / Flip Murray / Jalen Rose
Donyell Marhsall /Hakim Warrick/ Jarvis Hayes
Kevin Garnett / Stro Swift / Juwan Howard
Kwame Brown / Oberto / Voshukl
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lol no offense but that team sucks |
What, how, how can, did you, but look at, no when and - Yea I kinda agree now cause Arenas is out kwame was double garbage - Jalen on TNT - Except for Hayes average season no-one had a good season. But A year ago this had potential especially with the cap space - what a difference a year makes.
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off the top of my head, FA had its problems in prior years but I can see that you are trying to fix that.
Inactivity was the only other major problem, but I guess you can't really do much about that. Maybe have frequent GM check-ins or something, and inactive GMs can get fired and we can have a waiting list or something.
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off the top of my head, FA had its problems in prior years but I can see that you are trying to fix that.
Inactivity was the only other major problem, but I guess you can't really do much about that. Maybe have frequent GM check-ins or something, and inactive GMs can get fired and we can have a waiting list or something.
Other than that I don't think there were many problems. |
hey are usually 10 people waiting to come in in case a GM is inactive - draw back is whoever takes over might have a worse team and less time to make something out of it.
Cant wait for this to start ...................
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I just thought of this idea, and I thought I would throw it out there. I think every year a panel of judges should review past years GMC teams and award a new winner.
Maybe a certain GM put a lot of trust in player A to score 20+ppg, and the judges didn't think Player A was capable of doing that. That team doesn't make the cut. In the season Player A averages 20+ppg, so in fact that GM did a great job.
For example in the inaugural year I had Felton and Ike Diogu. I thought i had a lineup set for the future. I believe I made the final 10 or so teams. Felton looked like the second best PG from that draft behind Deron, and Ike Diogu was looking great with every game. Now Ike is nothing to speak of and Felton has leveled off.
Or maybe (I know GMC wasn't around then), but someone takes Chris Paul #1 overall when Bogut was the consensus #1 pick in 2005. Judges don't think Paul was the right pick, so team X doesn't make the cut. Now, he is on the brink of an MVP season and that GM looks a whole lot smarter.
Judging a GM can't always be based on a single season, it might be fun to see how some things turned out with past GM's decisions.
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I just thought of this idea, and I thought I would throw it out there. I think every year a panel of judges should review past years GMC teams and award a new winner.
Maybe a certain GM put a lot of trust in player A to score 20+ppg, and the judges didn't think Player A was capable of doing that. That team doesn't make the cut. In the season Player A averages 20+ppg, so in fact that GM did a great job.
For example in the inaugural year I had Felton and Ike Diogu. I thought i had a lineup set for the future. I believe I made the final 10 or so teams. Felton looked like the second best PG from that draft behind Deron, and Ike Diogu was looking great with every game. Now Ike is nothing to speak of and Felton has leveled off.
Or maybe (I know GMC wasn't around then), but someone takes Chris Paul #1 overall when Bogut was the consensus #1 pick in 2005. Judges don't think Paul was the right pick, so team X doesn't make the cut. Now, he is on the brink of an MVP season and that GM looks a whole lot smarter.
Judging a GM can't always be based on a single season, it might be fun to see how some things turned out with past GM's decisions. |
I don't think we have to do that what we do is continue the way it is and before each new GM we can review the past ones. Maybe add them the best of the past year not in the top 4 as a 5th free pass.
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