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KGInCali
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| The Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. |
good idea, giving Mbenga a 10day wouldn't hurt (though there better players out there) , but Id prefer one of those centers we had during the pre-season. |
Actually, I love the idea of giving Mbenga a 10-day contract. This is a move I would support and makes sense. |
Sense to you maybe. Again, i'm glad you're not the GM of the Lakers. You would cancel even Mitch's most famous blunders by that signing. |
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Yes, why sign a sorry player to any contract at all, when you can use an exception to sign at least a halfway decent player. A player who is better than an incumbent who has shown nothing his entire career?
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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sleepin4matty
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| The Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. |
good idea, giving Mbenga a 10day wouldn't hurt (though there better players out there) , but Id prefer one of those centers we had during the pre-season. |
Actually, I love the idea of giving Mbenga a 10-day contract. This is a move I would support and makes sense. |
Sense to you maybe. Again, i'm glad you're not the GM of the Lakers. You would cancel even Mitch's most famous blunders by that signing. |
A 10-day signing? |
OBVIOUSLY you would outshine all of Mitch's "blunders" by signing a backup big to a 10 day contract /end sarcasm. Let's be serious here KGinCal. Kwame isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. He is by far this team's best post defender and he can create his own shot (something Bynum cannot do at this point). Kwame's problem is that he can't finish the shot he created for himself. I do agree that we will lose more games with Kwame starting but that is because our double double starting big man went down, not because Kwame sucks so much. |
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sleepin4matty
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| The Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. |
good idea, giving Mbenga a 10day wouldn't hurt (though there better players out there) , but Id prefer one of those centers we had during the pre-season. |
Actually, I love the idea of giving Mbenga a 10-day contract. This is a move I would support and makes sense. |
Sense to you maybe. Again, i'm glad you're not the GM of the Lakers. You would cancel even Mitch's most famous blunders by that signing. |
A 10-day signing? |
Yes, why sign a sorry player to any contract at all, when you can use an exception to sign at least a halfway decent player. A player who is better than an incumbent who has shown nothing his entire career? |
Who are the halfway decent players you want to sign? Elton Brown? He couldn't make the team over Coby Karl. PJ Brown? He hasn't played at all this season. Chris Webber? He can't keep up with the young guys on this team and he hasn't played this season either. Cmon man stop spewing the hate. |
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Critical Beatdown
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| With Brown as a starer, this team will lose the majority of their games, book it. Especially with the beastly 9-game road trip looming. You want Kwame as your starter,, well you're most likely about to get him, enjoy! I won't be watching a single game that retarded oaf starts in. |
Good riddance. |
Trust me, I could care less about you, your hate, or your good riddance. I'm just hopeful that Bynum isn't gone for too long. |
We all are, noone is hating, certainly not me. Well, you're hating on Kwame, but that's a different story.
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KGInCali
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
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| The Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. |
good idea, giving Mbenga a 10day wouldn't hurt (though there better players out there) , but Id prefer one of those centers we had during the pre-season. |
Actually, I love the idea of giving Mbenga a 10-day contract. This is a move I would support and makes sense. |
Sense to you maybe. Again, i'm glad you're not the GM of the Lakers. You would cancel even Mitch's most famous blunders by that signing. |
A 10-day signing? |
OBVIOUSLY you would outshine all of Mitch's "blunders" by signing a backup big to a 10 day contract /end sarcasm. Let's be serious here KGinCal. Kwame isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. He is by far this team's best post defender and he can create his own shot (something Bynum cannot do at this point). Kwame's problem is that he can't finish the shot he created for himself. I do agree that we will lose more games with Kwame starting but that is because our double double starting big man went down, not because Kwame sucks so much. |
I'm serious in all of my posts. Brown is a by far the worst big man I've ever seen wear a Lakers jersey. I rate him a tad bit under Samalia Samake. The biggest frailty is that he just doesn't care. He's unmotivated to improve his game. Nevermind the fact that he plays like a neanderthal. Nevermind that he gets arrested for throwing ish at people, or soliciting hookers. I can let that go, because obviously, other sportsman commit even dumber offenses. It's his sheer and utter apathy for how sorry he is. He comes to camp each year looking fatter and a bigger overall waste. He's making 9 million dollars! Can anyone say with conviction that he has played anywhere close to his paycheck in his 3 years combined????
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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I actually expect Kwame to play very well, and his post moves look better than I've ever seen. Maybe Phil can get in his head a bit and get him to slow down his mind so that he actually finishes them, but Kwame has looked fairly impressive in stretches this season, and we've won with him starting at C and Drew a relative non-factor plenty of times last season.
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KGInCali
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| With Brown as a starer, this team will lose the majority of their games, book it. Especially with the beastly 9-game road trip looming. You want Kwame as your starter,, well you're most likely about to get him, enjoy! I won't be watching a single game that retarded oaf starts in. |
Good riddance. |
Trust me, I could care less about you, your hate, or your good riddance. I'm just hopeful that Bynum isn't gone for too long. |
We all are, noone is hating, certainly not me. Well, you're hating on Kwame, but that's a different story. |
Yes, you are hating, but it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. Brown is the object of my hate not so much because he sucks, but rather by a matter of circumstance. Having a 7 foot lumbering bafoon, with stone for hands are just a few qualities that contribute to my overall flamefest.
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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Critical Beatdown
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Anyway, it's obvious this thread was started by a guy just wanting to spew hate and negatives on Kwame, so I'm done with it.
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sleepin4matty
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
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| pnynby24 wrote: |
| SSpyder wrote: |
| The Lakers should sign DJ Mbenga. |
good idea, giving Mbenga a 10day wouldn't hurt (though there better players out there) , but Id prefer one of those centers we had during the pre-season. |
Actually, I love the idea of giving Mbenga a 10-day contract. This is a move I would support and makes sense. |
Sense to you maybe. Again, i'm glad you're not the GM of the Lakers. You would cancel even Mitch's most famous blunders by that signing. |
A 10-day signing? |
OBVIOUSLY you would outshine all of Mitch's "blunders" by signing a backup big to a 10 day contract /end sarcasm. Let's be serious here KGinCal. Kwame isn't nearly as bad as you say he is. He is by far this team's best post defender and he can create his own shot (something Bynum cannot do at this point). Kwame's problem is that he can't finish the shot he created for himself. I do agree that we will lose more games with Kwame starting but that is because our double double starting big man went down, not because Kwame sucks so much. |
I'm serious in all of my posts. Brown is a by far the worst big man I've ever seen wear a Lakers jersey. I rate him a tad bit under Samalia Samake. The biggest frailty is that he just doesn't care. He's unmotivated to improve his game. Nevermind the fact that he plays like a neanderthal. Nevermind that he gets arrested for throwing ish at people, or soliciting hookers. I can let that go, because obviously, other sportsman commit even dumber offenses. It's his sheer and utter apathy for how sorry he is. He comes to camp each year looking fatter and a bigger overall waste. He's making 9 million dollars! Can anyone say with conviction that he has played anywhere close to his paycheck in his 3 years combined???? |
Surprisingly enough I can. He played very well to end out the 2005-06 season against the Suns averaging 13/9 in that playoff series. I'm not saying that I'm not disappointed in him (I am) but he isn't nearly as bad as you think he is. |
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KGInCali
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| Anyway, it's obvious this thread was started by a guy just wanting to spew hate and negatives on Kwame, so I'm done with it. |
Now it's my turn: Good Riddance.
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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| I think we should add another big to the roster, cause i have zero confidence that Mr. Butterfingers is gonna get the job done with Drew out. If this were the Kwame from '06, or hell even last year then it wouldn't be so bad, but this year, he's a fat f**k thats looking like he doesn't belong near a basketball court. |
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KGInCali
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| I think we should add another big to the roster, cause i have zero confidence that Mr. Butterfingers is gonna get the job done with Drew out. If this were the Kwame from '06, or hell even last year then it wouldn't be so bad, but this year, he's a fat f**k thats looking like he doesn't belong near a basketball court. |
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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| Anyway, it's obvious this thread was started by a guy just wanting to spew hate and negatives on Kwame, so I'm done with it. |
Now it's my turn: Good Riddance. |
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KGInCali
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| Anyway, it's obvious this thread was started by a guy just wanting to spew hate and negatives on Kwame, so I'm done with it. |
Now it's my turn: Good Riddance. |
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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| we would have 0 leverage right now if we went after a big man |
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Right about now I'd regardless give a call to P.J. Brown and see how much he wants.
Even if he's only useful for a little while he's useful for moving Ronnie back to PF. |
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this has been a glaring need for us for a while, a veteran big man with good playoff experience and is consistent.
maybe kwame isn't as bad as some of you guys think, but he's also not as good as some of you others think.
watching him yesterday absolutely angered me. from missed dunks and layups, to that idiotic foul 40 feet from the basket trying to strip lowry or whoever was out there at the time. the guy is a brick layer at the free throw line.
sure, he does some good on the defensive end, but my question is whether it outweighs his deficiencies on the offensive side. it's to the point where i blamed luke for passing kwame the ball with 8 seconds left.
ever since being on the lakers, he hasn't shown any improvement, i don't see him busting his tail like ariza, sasha, jordan, turiaf or the other guys do.
i don't trust the guy to make the right play when it comes down to it. |
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| I swear what the hell is it going to take a bust a fire under his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]. |
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| Yahoo Sports report that Webber saids he will sign with a team in 2 weeks.. haven't released any names of which team, but i wouldn't mind adding Webber to the Lakers roster.. |
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
Sig worthy..
I hope you mean a lay-up drill becuase if you are talking about a fist fight Kwame punches anyone on this forum in the jaw one time fight over.
The athletic ability these guys have is unreal. Example Kobe's dad around 50 something was playing in the ABA 2-3 years ago. D. Rodman from time to time plays in Euro games and have been dominate.
Anyway as Kwame playing. Kwame> the anyone we could sign right now and yes that means Webber who couldn't even get on Det's bench. Kwame is a solid post defender, a not great but, avg rebounder and can back down people just has a horrible time finishing.
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Listen, I'd also like to see Mitch sign a big man. Even temporarily. We have to have some depth. And right now, we are 1 deep at Center.
'Cause Turiaf is not one, I'm sorry. He's there to backup Odom, becuase we don't even have Radman right now.
Center depth: 1 (Kwame)
PF Depth: 2 (Odom/Turiaf).
Other big man (scrubs or no): 0.
So, either try to bring Webber or someone super cheap - or ask D-Fenders to send someone over. Time to make some money.
In any case, we do have a roster spot. Why not use it?
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It's not like we stunk up the joint last year with a starting lineup of: (26-13 albeit a much easier schedule)
Smush
Kobe
LO
Puke
Kwame
Even with Bynum out for 1.5 months, we still have a healthy lineup of:
Fish/Farm
Kobe
LO
Ariza/Puke
Kwame
I'd like to think minus Smush, we aren't in that deep of trouble are we? No need to over-react here folks.
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Listen, I'd also like to see Mitch sign a big man. Even temporarily. We have to have some depth. And right now, we are 1 deep at Center.
'Cause Turiaf is not one, I'm sorry. He's there to backup Odom, becuase we don't even have Radman right now.
Center depth: 1 (Kwame)
PF Depth: 2 (Odom/Turiaf).
Other big man (scrubs or no): 0.
So, either try to bring Webber or someone super cheap - or ask D-Fenders to send someone over. Time to make some money. |
I wouldn't mind getting another big man as well. Probaly will have to let one of the D-fenders suit up.
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I'm down for C-Webb now.
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SLAVA is a free agent...
but no thanks...I would rather play Coby Karl before I touch Slava.
but there sure are some veteran options.
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KGInCali
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
Sig worthy..
I hope you mean a lay-up drill becuase if you are talking about a fist fight Kwame punches anyone on this forum in the jaw one time fight over.
The athletic ability these guys have is unreal. Example Kobe's dad around 50 something was playing in the ABA 2-3 years ago. D. Rodman from time to time plays in Euro games and have been dominate.
Anyway as Kwame playing. Kwame> the anyone we could sign right now and yes that means Webber who couldn't even get on Det's bench. Kwame is a solid post defender, a not great but, avg rebounder and can back down people just has a horrible time finishing. |
I was being facetious. Brown would probably get torched by Kobe's 50 year old dad. Even Kareem who looks like he's aged from all the chronic/alcohol he's been abusing could bust Brown's a-- out on the court.
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
Sig worthy.. :man10:
I hope you mean a lay-up drill becuase if you are talking about a fist fight Kwame punches anyone on this forum in the jaw one time fight over.
The athletic ability these guys have is unreal. Example Kobe's dad around 50 something was playing in the ABA 2-3 years ago. D. Rodman from time to time plays in Euro games and have been dominate.
Anyway as Kwame playing. Kwame> the anyone we could sign right now and yes that means Webber who couldn't even get on Det's bench. Kwame is a solid post defender, a not great but, avg rebounder and can back down people just has a horrible time finishing. |
Agreed...
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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Kwame will be serviceable for us...as he always has been since he was forced to start at Center almost two years ago.
The depth behind him is the problem with Ronny being his only backup right now.
We've won fine with Kwame in the past....he just has to play within his role and the team needs to adjust to that. Drew has spoiled us with his offense and greatly improved defense. |
I wish more members would take a step back and see what you see.
Chucky Atkins and Chris Mihm.
Kwame Brown and Smush Parker
We've had less before and succeeded (in a manner of speaking) with it . Drew was an upgrade because we had nothing previously. Anything was an upgrade and he has spoiled us after so many years with nothing.
But the Lakers were able to get it done / stay afloat before (and this was before Fisher's return) and i think they can do it again.
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| wayyyyy too premature. no official word yet even on the injury. assuming it's 4-8 weeks as gumby said, then you don't make a trade and shake-up your roster simply based on the fact that a player is out for 4-8 weeks. that's not a huge chunk of time over the course of a season and definitely not worthy of a knee-jerk trade. |
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