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KGInCali
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| Najim wrote: |
| wayyyyy too premature. no official word yet even on the injury. assuming it's 4-8 weeks as gumby said, then you don't make a trade and shake-up your roster simply based on the fact that a player is out for 4-8 weeks. that's not a huge chunk of time over the course of a season and definitely not worthy of a knee-jerk trade. |
Yes It is,when your incumbent is Kwame Brown.
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puffyusaf#2
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I was going to repond a 2nd time in this thread with a post on the topic but as I have read all 3 pages I realized this is just a veiled "I hate Kwame" thread so then there is no point to it.
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Najim
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| puffyusaf#2 wrote: |
| I was going to repond a 2nd time in this thread with a post on the topic but as I have read all 3 pages I realized this is just a veiled "I hate Kwame" thread so then there is no point to it. |
Think you hit the nail on the head there.
| KGInCali wrote: |
| Yes It is,when your incumbent is Kwame Brown. |
yup... right on the head. |
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KGInCali
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="puffyusaf#2"]I was going to repond a 2nd time in this thread with a post on the topic but as I have read all 3 pages I realized this is just a veiled "I hate Kwame" thread so then there is no point to it.[/quote]
Pretty much. You're not going to convince me that Brown is a productive player on the Lakers.
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If I could do it, I would purposely walk up to Kwame Brown and tell him that he sucked more than Karine Steffans at a Jay-Z music video set. I wouldn't even be scared. The man is an absolute joke. I'm pretty sure I could take him one on one, and i'm only 6'2'', 210lbs. If he punches like he shoots free throws, then he'll be missing all day long. |
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SignPippenNow
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually don't think it is overreaction. This team might have done better last year had the Lakers tried to add some serviceable players but they didn't want to cut McKie, Shammond or Mihm. The Lakers have 10 bodies for tonight and have an open spot and Chris Webber would be an upgrade over Kwame. Kurt Thomas or Jeff Foster would also be upgrades. This team is a good one and I don't want Kwame to bring it down. I am not saying Webber, Foster or Thomas are great players but they bring more than Kwame. If the MRI says nothing serious then you go with Kwame and Turiaf short term, but if it is serious and that is what I fear then I think they need to make a move even if it is just Webber. He would provide some O and Kwame some D. Mihm was a wasted resign and is basically finished. |
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OC Lakerfan
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Don't think the Lakers will be trading Kwame now with AB injured unless we get a C deal that we can't pass up. If we sign a big man, it would be a back-up to Kwame.
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SignPippenNow
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Kwame is known more for his D. Webber for his O. That is why I think he would be a very good compliment. |
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| I haven't read the entire thread, but I definitely agree with the topic title. We NEED some sort of backup big man now. No way can we rely on Mihm coming back or Ronny playing the bulk of his minutes at backup C, when he is best suited for backup PF. What are our options? Webber? PJ Brown? We do have a free roster spot after all. |
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HisAirness24
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It's almost a guarantee now we'll get someone with Bynum out a MINIMUM of EIGHT WEEKS.
BTW we cant expect a Kidd deal anytime soon or any deal involving Kwame's exp contract since we need him. |
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Weezy
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Stu said after the game last night that he doubts the Lakers make a trade, they like the team how it is and don't want to hurt chemistry. Unless they can trade like Mihm and... Vlad or something for a backup C I doubt they make a trade. He also said that anyone who can play is already playing so who are they gonna sign with that 15 spot? Webber is not a C and he's not the answer IMO. If we need a body to fill in most likely all we can do is sign someone from our d-league team because they run our system, right?
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Pig Miller
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| dale davis anyone? not as sexy of a name as webber, wilcox or pj brown, but he's a guy that can play the 4 and the 5 (on most nites) and will be hard nosed intense player |
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JSM
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We aren't getting anyone without triangle experience, if we get anyone at all.
That pretty much limits your list to D-Fenders.
I say bring McCoy up for 2 10 day contracts.
He's been on the team before and since coming back with the organization, even the D-League version, he is getting re acclimated with the offense.
He can give us 10-12 minutes a night.
With Kwame and Ronny both being foul magnets, we're going to need at least one other big body.
And Mihm? 
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Jajwa
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Jackie Butler would be ideal right now. |
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Pig Miller
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| i thought mccoy was signed by the nuggets over whoever? |
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Radner
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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| JSM wrote: |
We aren't getting anyone without triangle experience, if we get anyone at all.
That pretty much limits your list to D-Fenders.
I say bring McCoy up for 2 10 day contracts.
He's been on the team before and since coming back with the organization, even the D-League version, he is getting re acclimated with the offense.
He can give us 10-12 minutes a night.
With Kwame and Ronny both being foul magnets, we're going to need at least one other big body.
And Mihm? |
Jelani signed with the Nuggets if I'm not mistaken. |
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Lakerjones
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| Trade isn't going to happen now. No way. But let's hope that they at least try to pick up a free agent. I'd love to see PJ Brown or Webber even if they're ancient. It's a loan at this point, but either one could help. Anyone else out there? |
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OC Lakerfan
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| JSM wrote: |
We aren't getting anyone without triangle experience, if we get anyone at all.
That pretty much limits your list to D-Fenders.
I say bring McCoy up for 2 10 day contracts.
He's been on the team before and since coming back with the organization, even the D-League version, he is getting re acclimated with the offense.
He can give us 10-12 minutes a night.
With Kwame and Ronny both being foul magnets, we're going to need at least one other big body.
And Mihm? |
Jelani signed with the Nuggets if I'm not mistaken. |
Team Transactions
DATE TRANSACTION
January 7, 2008 Waived guard-forward Bobby Jones.
December 27, 2007 Waived center Jelani McCoy.
November 29, 2007 Signed forward-center Jelani McCoy.
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Radner
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^ I guess that's good news in a sort of way. |
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Mo Rings
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| JSM wrote: |
We aren't getting anyone without triangle experience, if we get anyone at all.
That pretty much limits your list to D-Fenders.
I say bring McCoy up for 2 10 day contracts.
He's been on the team before and since coming back with the organization, even the D-League version, he is getting re acclimated with the offense.
He can give us 10-12 minutes a night.
With Kwame and Ronny both being foul magnets, we're going to need at least one other big body.
And Mihm? |
I agree, they will bring up Jelani.
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L8KERS4LIFE
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| OC Lakerfan wrote: |
| JKsnoots wrote: |
| JSM wrote: |
We aren't getting anyone without triangle experience, if we get anyone at all.
That pretty much limits your list to D-Fenders.
I say bring McCoy up for 2 10 day contracts.
He's been on the team before and since coming back with the organization, even the D-League version, he is getting re acclimated with the offense.
He can give us 10-12 minutes a night.
With Kwame and Ronny both being foul magnets, we're going to need at least one other big body.
jE
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Jelani signed with the Nuggets if I'm not mistaken. |
Team Transactions
DATE TRANSACTION
January 7, 2008 Waived guard-forward Bobby Jones.
December 27, 2007 Waived center Jelani McCoy.
November 29, 2007 Signed forward-center Jelani McCoy. |
McCoy is on the D-fenders roster. Go to NBA.COM and check it out. |
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L4L
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurt Thomas PLEASE! |
I echo that sentiment 100%.
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Weezy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Kurt Thomas PLEASE! |
I echo that sentiment 100%. |
But isn't the only way to get him Kwame? And then we're right back where we are now, 1 center. Not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering how you would propose we get him and how it helps us right now. I mean I'd have been for Kurt Thomas BEFORE Drew got hurt, so I guess it's good either way.
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L4L
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Weezy wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
| darkice18 wrote: |
| Kurt Thomas PLEASE! |
I echo that sentiment 100%. |
But isn't the only way to get him Kwame? And then we're right back where we are now, 1 center. Not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering how you would propose we get him and how it helps us right now. I mean I'd have been for Kurt Thomas BEFORE Drew got hurt, so I guess it's good either way. |
The only way to get him is, indeed, Kwame. It's a defensive downgrade at C. Though Kurt is still excellent against PFs. HOWEVER, little known fact about Kurt is that he's still got an effective offensive game when you give him opportunities. Really, he's just a decent offensive player which is surprising for a guy known as strictly a defender. Of course, in Seattle, or on most teams, that isn't what they need him for. They want his rebounding and defense to allow their star post players to play more freely. But for us, he could be Kwame-esque except effective on offense. He's also one of the five most effective rebounders in the league easily.
Here is how I propose we get him:
Kwame + LAL 1st + Sasha + Cash Considerations
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Kurt Thomas, Damien Wilkins, Seattle's 2nd Rounder
I have a thread about it in my signature for more details.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Too late for any deals now, thanks Mitch. When Mihm went down a good GM would have got a backup. Can the Lakers get Gasol from Spain or where ever he is playing? What is Divac doing these days?  |
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Savory Griddles
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatthef? wrote: |
| Too late for any deals now, thanks Mitch. When Mihm went down a good GM would have got a backup. Can the Lakers get Gasol from Spain or where ever he is playing? What is Divac doing these days? |
Now that's a little unfair to blame Mitch for this. Cmon. Bynum, Kwame and Turiaf filling in some spot minutes at the 5 is fine. You can't go 5 deep at every position. Roster slots are limited. |
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L4L
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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It's also not too late for deals especially for players that aren't major pieces.
almost 40 days till the deadline..
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Radner
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Weezy wrote: |
| L4L wrote: |
| darkice18 wrote: |
| Kurt Thomas PLEASE! |
I echo that sentiment 100%. |
But isn't the only way to get him Kwame? And then we're right back where we are now, 1 center. Not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering how you would propose we get him and how it helps us right now. I mean I'd have been for Kurt Thomas BEFORE Drew got hurt, so I guess it's good either way. |
We're losing offensive in the middle with Bynum out. Though Kwame is one our best froncourt defenders, Thomas is capable of duplicating that while also bringing offensive.
The best scenario would be to trade Kwame and other assets for Thomas and sign another center. At this point, we no longer are in a difficult position as far as depth goes.
Also factor in Kwame's past and present injuries. Is that something were willing to live with? |
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Lakerjones
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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It's also not too late for deals especially for players that aren't major pieces.
almost 40 days till the deadline.. |
Not too late, but I don't think the Lakers will put Kwame out there right now since Mihm is still hurt and his future is in question. I don't think anyone will bite on an injured, long contract Vlad Rad. I don't think there's anyone else we can afford to talk about trading at this juncture.
McCoy is better than nothing at this point. Any other free agents? I think that is infinitely more realistic than a trade given this FO's track record. I don't think they want to tamper with the chemistry. |
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havoc33
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Without Kwame in the middle, opposing teams would have had a layup drill each game. Kwame has performed well on the defensive end before and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get back in shape with him seeing more minutes on the floor. It was a real blow to loose Bynum, but this could work out well in the end for the Lakers. A well conditioned Kwame and a fresh Bynum for the Playoffs. And nevermind Kwame's non-existent offensive game, we have Kobe to take care of that. Kwame's presence on the defensive end is the key now that Bynum is out. |
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