Fisher's D

D1ZzY24 · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 916 Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Anyone else notice that Fisher is not getting burned in D that often anymore?

Im not saying that his defense is subpar, but I like the effort I am seeing from the veteran Fish. Fisher's D is definitely an upgragrade from last years scrub, Smush.

L4L · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject:

Not a great time to say this after last night's game. Nash torched Fisher everytime he went under a screen, and everytime we didn't switch properly.
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TalkieWalkie · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:

He's not getting burned on the level of Smush Parker...as in scorched!

But he isn't stopping anybody... we know he's limited... but what we do expect from him and get from him is heady plays....he plays well within a team defense. He dives for loose balls.... he takes the punishment to draw offensive fouls...and he puts pressure on opposing 1s to play defense on him.

He's a solid guy for us. He's no C-Billups or Devin Harris on defense....but he's not the weak link that kills us either....

I think the Lakers would do well to pick up a good defensive minded 1 between now and next season... sombody who can hit an open 3, but can defend well... a Gibson type player.... We don't need Chris Paul, Jason Kidd and Deron Williams lighting us up for 30 point games and 20 assist nights.... every time we gotta play those teams...
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L4L · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject:

Kobina · Joined: 01 Jan 2005 Posts: 461

Yes I noticed his defense has improved too.
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OC Lakerfan · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 3137

It's a team defensive game more so than ever with the rules and lack of hand checking anyways.
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Weezy · Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 21483 Location: Anaheim, CA

It's not great, but it IS better than it used to be. He's huge and he uses his size, he bodies guys well, he's just as bad as ever with screens though. I did notice Bibby didnt' do a damn thing against him the other night before he got hurt though, something we couldn't say in the past.
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D1ZzY24 · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 916 Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Last night there were a couple of BS calls that were called against Fish when he was bodying up Nash. I like his energy and intensity. Keep it up Fish. jam2

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gcclaker · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 3641 Location: Laker Cyber Space

I'm not expecting Walt Frazier defense from Fisher but he is much better than he was before. What helps is that the squad has more mobile bigs in Gasol and Bynum in flashing out on pick and roll defense. Fisher has also had an impact on offense where opposing guards such as Nash can't take the night off which was a luxury for him the previous two seasons plus playoffs. I have to mention that Fisher has been near automatic at the free throw line in the high 80's not 65% which figures big in close games.
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two0one7 · Joined: 21 Jul 2007 Posts: 8397 Location: Laker Land

I love fish but if we were to nitpick I'm more concerned with his layups and early shots. I'd like him to pick his spots more. I cringe when i see him attack the hole.
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knm131 · Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 4555

I can say one thing ... whether this is a testament to Dfish or not, but this team defends the pick and roll better than I've seen any laker team in the last 10 years defend it.

We're still not totally there, and we still get burned by it on occasion, but back in the day with Shaq, people would run the PnR on us and score 3-4 times in a row.

revgen · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

As long as we have a defensive big man who can anchor, protect the paint, and help on P&R's, Fish will be fine. That man won't be back until March, so we'll have to do with what we have.
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The LeBrons · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject:

It is what it is. He gets into his man and plays physical. If a guy wants to get to the rim, he will. But he's very good on rotations and in the passing lanes.

He looks like a 1st team all NBA defender following Smush.

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Kobe's Empire · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Fisher's D

L4L · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject:

I've watched the clutch section of last night's game 3 times: when it happened, on ESPN replay, and when I was scouting how Amare scored. Fish played tough, but he still went under the screens and Nash just missed several open shots in the last 5 minutes or so.
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Sky · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject:

Fisher's defense was poor last night. It's improved over when he was last here, so a shout out to Jerry Sloan for that upgrade. Fish still goes under way too often.

The main concern with Fisher is thankfully not his D but his O.

Play.

Within.

Your.

Limits!!!!

Jesus, one more out of control solo 1-on-3 layup attempt trying to draw the foul brick oops easy 2 the other way play from Fish and I will finally succeed in getting my hands through the tv screen and around Derek's neck. You cannot finish! CANNOT! You SUCK at it. You've ALWAYS sucked at it. You are not a finisher, you are not a highwire athlete. Stop trying to be a hero, stop the blasted forced finishes you KNOW won't succeed and play within your freaking limits!

L4L · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:

On the bright side, Fish is up to 45.7% on close shots(a full 10% lower than his outside shots). man10

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richsmith · Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 392

lunatic4jc · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:02 am Post subject:

Sky · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:25 am Post subject:

Rich - No doubt Fisher is having a lights out shooting year and props to him for that. If only he had an ounce of judgment on the finishes, an ounce of sense and unselfishness in transition, an inch to not step on the arc, it would greatly reduce the frustration factor. Hoop 101. Play within your limits, play smart, see the whole floor.

L4L · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:59 am Post subject:

D1ZzY24 · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 916 Location: Santa Barbara, CA

Bump.

I was wondering what you guys think of Fish's D so far in the playoffs?

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Excellent for his standards. As much as it pains me to say it, he makes Farmar look like Smush or worse. freak2

D1ZzY24 · Joined: 04 Jul 2007 Posts: 916 Location: Santa Barbara, CA

^ Yeah. I like how he has been bodying up Deron, but sadly foul trouble has been keeping Fish off the court. Hopefully next game he can stay on the court for more minutes, and when he is not, I would like to see Vujacic on Deron. I have lost all hope for Farmar this year after a pathetic series. The sad thing is, that if we advance, it's only going to get harder with either Parker or Paul. freak2

Chillbongo · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 612 Location: Los Angeles

Lqv2015 · Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 2295

Mentoring and playing with DWill last year certainly does help. But yeah, he's doing pretty good on him.