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Lamar does his disappearing act once again. He was pretty solid at the start. Grabbing rebounds stuff like that. But dude needs to hit FT's. Its just stupid how he cant shoot them.
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| Odom's not nearly deserving of all the blame. this is just a little venting, thats all. |
We can point the finger at a lot of people, but Lamar had a great game. So did Drew. Farmar played great. The rest of the guys didn't, and Kobe was a black hole tonight offensively.
The game is 48 minutes.
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I'm not going to argue with anyone that Lamar is clutch.
My point is simply this. If he is not clutch, why is the coach putting him in a position to do something he is not?
Secondly, if the goal of putting said player is to get him to become clutch, then why isn't he put in that position more often to give him an opportunity to succeed? |
Agreed. WHY NO TIMEOUT TO GET KOBE IN THE GAME???????
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| Lamar does his disappearing act once again. He was pretty solid at the start. Grabbing rebounds stuff like that. But dude needs to hit FT's. Its just stupid how he cant shoot them. |
I agree, but Kobe missed one in the last minute, Fish missed one, and Ronny missed 3 out of 4 (though he was hit pretty hard before taking them).
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its a bad bad time for a meltdown like this too cuz we're playin our local rival the clippers on Sunday and then go on A LOOOOONG LOOONG critical roadtrip
OH CRAP
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kobe's groin lost us the game the reason bynum didn't get touches is because all his touches come from kobe drive and dishes and kobe entry passes. no one else like to entry pass.
once kobe got hurt we had no chance because there sure as hell isn't anyway odom will take over and bynum can't dribble down the court.
we proved we are 10,000 times better than GS and they know it thats why they wanted it so bad kobe goes 6-22 and we only lose by 2.
my only worry is that his injury isn't going to hold him out for more than 1 game.
i'm not familiar with strained groins but i'm sure it should only be 1 game 2 at the most. |
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This L is a tough one to swallow.Especially when you consider it was a very winnable game.I guess things could be worse.We could be UTAH on a 6 game losing streak right now 
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| Lamar does his disappearing act once again. He was pretty solid at the start. Grabbing rebounds stuff like that. But dude needs to hit FT's. Its just stupid how he cant shoot them. |
I agree, but Kobe missed one in the last minute, Fish missed one, and Ronny missed 3 out of 4 (though he was hit pretty hard before taking them). |
yea, i was chuckling when ronny couldnt hit his FT shots also. I guess practice schedule for lakers
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| Odom's not nearly deserving of all the blame. this is just a little venting, thats all. |
We can point the finger at a lot of people, but Lamar had a great game. So did Drew. Farmar played great. The rest of the guys didn't, and Kobe was a black hole tonight offensively.
The game is 48 minutes. |
i know. Kobe was off tonight, and has bene cold shooting it seems most of the year. Phil mde some poor choices i felt. Ariza should have been in there instead of luke who did nothing much defensively.
This loss really stung thats all.
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we were still up 6 with 3 minutes left ...... dont put all the blame on kobe (he deserves some) when others messed up too, we gave it up in those last 3 minutes including luke, odumb, and phil (for not putting ariza on baron earlier)
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I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't.  |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
right
like the time he charged against the kings, which was followed by a brad miller 3pointer, mike bibby 3 pointer, overtime, and then a loss. |
Agreed. But that was like a year ago. As a coach, you can't set up a situation once a year and expect that to succeed.
You either don't ever set up that situation .....
.... or you do if often to get the player accustomed to it. |
you said he was never in that position
my point is that he was
they've run it before; it's not like a BRAND NEW PLAY OMG
it's not like odom hasn't played in tight situations before. his actions don't reflect any experience whatsoever. |
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We would have been lucky to win in the first place considering Kobe was 6-23 from the field...  ...with 5 turnovers. When he decides to do his own thing with pump fakes and iso on the wing the whole offense breaks down and rhythm gets lost.
Still, Kobe played tough D most of the game, never gave up, and noone is to blame for this victory. We win and lose as a team over 48 minutes. If anything, give the credit to Baron Davis and the Warriors.
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oh btw, rememer kobe's been injured at least since last game if you guys dont remember
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not going to argue with anyone that Lamar is clutch.
My point is simply this. If he is not clutch, why is the coach putting him in a position to do something he is not?
Secondly, if the goal of putting said player is to get him to become clutch, then why isn't he put in that position more often to give him an opportunity to succeed? |
Agreed. WHY NO TIMEOUT TO GET KOBE IN THE GAME??????? |
Ask Phil Jackson. |
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Samarian
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wow..why do we lose to the sorriest teams? Seriously...Davis and Jackson are average players...and they jack up 1000 3s a game..
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Bottom line: I GUARANTEE you that the one team the Warriors do not want to see in the playoffs are the Lakers. They needed a near-miracle shot at the end of the game and a horrible night by Kobe to eek out a win. They are and always will be our female dog.
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| halekulani wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
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I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
right
like the time he charged against the kings, which was followed by a brad miller 3pointer, mike bibby 3 pointer, overtime, and then a loss. |
Agreed. But that was like a year ago. As a coach, you can't set up a situation once a year and expect that to succeed.
You either don't ever set up that situation .....
.... or you do if often to get the player accustomed to it. |
you said he was never in that position
my point is that he was
they've run it before; it's not like a BRAND NEW PLAY OMG
it's not like odom hasn't played in tight situations before. his actions don't reflect any experience whatsoever. |
Ok let me clarify since you seem to be the only one confused (and this wouldn't be the first Mr. Subtraction. lol.)
If Odom isn't clutch, why does Phil put him in a situation to be clutch.
If he IS in fact clutch, then why does Lamar rarely, if ever, to the tune of 1 time per season, get the ball in that type of situation with that type of spread.
We don't need to agree on whether he's clutch or not. The point is if you beleive he is not clutch, then you've got to wonder why Phil Jackson would put him as THE focal point of a situation requiring clutchness. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
| halekulani wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
right
like the time he charged against the kings, which was followed by a brad miller 3pointer, mike bibby 3 pointer, overtime, and then a loss. |
Agreed. But that was like a year ago. As a coach, you can't set up a situation once a year and expect that to succeed.
You either don't ever set up that situation .....
.... or you do if often to get the player accustomed to it. |
you said he was never in that position
my point is that he was
they've run it before; it's not like a BRAND NEW PLAY OMG
it's not like odom hasn't played in tight situations before. his actions don't reflect any experience whatsoever. |
Just last night against SA, when we were up 10 with 1:30 left, lamar acts braindead. Sure the game is almost asuredly over, but stranger things have happened. The dummy drives suicide style for missed layups two possessions in a row early in the shot clock. ALl he has to do is run the clock a few possessions, but no.
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tough loss to take for sure
i am not a huge fan of lamar, but he didn't really have that bad of a game. a few key bad plays, but remember, the game is played over 48 minutes, not 2. Granted, the last few hurt us bad i dont think we can just throw this one on odom's shoulders.
Luke hurt us bad this game, when the ball was in his hands the offense just felt stagnant... i was scared everytime he got a touch... oh and he has no d
Kobe was off tonight. everyone has off nights, but a weird thing is that in the first 2 1/2 quarters i think kobe felt it and went through bynum / others a lot but as the game drew closer to the finish he took many ill-advised shots. i feel like kobe has more faith in his team this year (obviously) but its not 100% there yet, as evidenced by nearly our entire 4th, but mainly the last 6 minutes of the 4th.
bynum was great. we got him going but then put our own laker road block in front of him without good reason.
very disappointing close to the game. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
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I'm not going to argue with anyone that Lamar is clutch.
My point is simply this. If he is not clutch, why is the coach putting him in a position to do something he is not?
Secondly, if the goal of putting said player is to get him to become clutch, then why isn't he put in that position more often to give him an opportunity to succeed? |
Agreed. WHY NO TIMEOUT TO GET KOBE IN THE GAME??????? |
Ask Phil Jackson. |
Thats what i meant 
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| Bottom line: I GUARANTEE you that the one team the Warriors do not want to see in the playoffs are the Lakers. They needed a near-miracle shot at the end of the game and a horrible night by Kobe to eek out a win. They are and always will be our female dog. |
 They wanted to win so bad it was pathetic. Their crowd was acting like they won the Finals, it's ONE game.
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| we were still up 6 with 3 minutes left ...... dont put all the blame on kobe (he deserves some) when others messed up too, we gave it up in those last 3 minutes including luke, odumb, and phil (for not putting ariza on baron earlier) |
Why? he was taking 20 footers on an injured leg, was piss poor shooting the ball, had 5 turnovers, and couldn't stay in front of anybody.
Kobe Sucking and Chucking up silly shots is Why we lost this game
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i only blame odom for one play and one play only on the second to last possesion when he held the ball for like 20 seconds and then fell and threw the ball up at the air.
i thought it was obvious that with kobe out you run the OFFENSE throw it into bynumlet him post up when no one could defend him and if double teamed he dishes it out for a open 3 and if not take it to the hoop |
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| Andrew got one clear SINGLE touch in the post the whole game and he hit the hook .. all his points were putbacks and dunks .. unlike the 1st game against them , we fell into a jumpers contest .. Lamar keeps missing layups and Kobe shot selection was horrible (anyways it has been for some games) .. he needs to stop pumpfaking , no one biting anymore .. |
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| Bottom line: I GUARANTEE you that the one team the Warriors do not want to see in the playoffs are the Lakers. They needed a near-miracle shot at the end of the game and a horrible night by Kobe to eek out a win. They are and always will be our female dog. |
They wanted to win so bad it was pathetic. Their crowd was acting like they won the Finals, it's ONE game. |
thats when you know your in a teams head when the feel a regular season game is bigger than any other.
we are clearly better and have a healthy kobe bad shooting night or not we win that game by 6 because he can at least get to the basket. |
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| Andrew got one clear SINGLE touch in the post the whole game and he hit the hook .. all his points were putbacks and dunks .. unlike the 1st game against them , we fell into a jumpers contest .. Lamar keeps missing layups and Kobe shot selection was horrible (anyways it has been for some games) .. he needs to stop pumpfaking , no one biting anymore .. |
i agree with the pump faking it used to have everyone biting but when they don't you are just forced into a out of rythm shot the likes of which kobe can't make as he showed tonight. |
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| Bottom line: I GUARANTEE you that the one team the Warriors do not want to see in the playoffs are the Lakers. They needed a near-miracle shot at the end of the game and a horrible night by Kobe to eek out a win. They are and always will be our female dog. |
They wanted to win so bad it was pathetic. Their crowd was acting like they won the Finals, it's ONE game. |
Tell me about it. Remember the first game of preseason? Warriors ran on to the floor like they were lining up for their rings.
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I'm not necessarily an Odom supporter, but ragging on him is just silly. The guy put up 18 and 14 for crying out loud. So he didn't make a great play at the end of the game. Whatever. The 18 and 14 kept us in the damn game. Try pointing at someone like Luke Walton who would not take Davis to the hole once in the fourth quarter when BDiddy was guarding him and for moving like a slug on the floor and fumbling the ball away half the time. How can people rag on Lamar for putting up a double-double in this game and give Walton a free pass? It's just kinda dumb.
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| we were still up 6 with 3 minutes left ...... dont put all the blame on kobe (he deserves some) when others messed up too, we gave it up in those last 3 minutes including luke, odumb, and phil (for not putting ariza on baron earlier) |
Why? he was taking 20 footers on an injured leg, was piss poor shooting the ball, had 5 turnovers, and couldn't stay in front of anybody.
Kobe Sucking and Chucking up silly shots is Why we lost this game |
yeah okay, just blame ONLY him, and not the fact our defense was sorry when we were STILL up and we let them back in the game with horrible perimeter defense and letting them get 3 pointers to catch up and horrible passing by walton and odom... and those 5 turnovers were NOT at the end of the game WHEN WE WERE STILL UP, but yes, he was taking horrible shots, something i can agree with you
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