Friend: Mother told accuser she was raped, the next day.

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Friend also says when jury finds out what really happened, their jaws will drop.

LakersGyrl2003 · Joined: 13 Apr 2003 Posts: 21839

Yea... Someone told me this, i forgot who... One of the members here said that the mother said that she was raped... Man.... I also heard on the NBC that that guy said that our jaws will drop when the truth comes out... man5

murcielago62 · Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 1521 Location: Marietta, Ga

Mom: How was work?

Daughter: I had sex with Kobe Bryant...

Mom: You were raped!
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Jamaican Lakerfan · Guest

Well it is good to know that the victim has one true friend in Luke Bray; the rest of her friends have been slitting her throat mercilessly. This sounds like :

(1) Kobe intimidated her, physically or otherwise into having sex - which is rape
(2) The girl is really crazy - Surely a 19 year old woman would know whether or not she was raped - if she needed Luke and her mother to convince her that she was raped then there are a few loose screws rattling around in her head.
(3) Prosecution will say she couldn't believe what happened; she was in shock because sweet Kobe did this terrible thing. Defence will say the fact hat she needed Luke to convince her means that nothing happened.

To sum it up, the girl's friends - including Luke should shut up. He is purporting rape under conditions that make the girl sound like a crazy idiot. After all, the defence will just say she agreed to all of it.

And surely, she won't take the stand and have this conversation:

Prosecution: How did you know you were raped?
Alleged victim: Well...I told my mom, and she told me that was rape
Prosecution: Are you sure?
Alleged victim: Yes, my mom never lies

Reddy · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:56 am Post subject:

Come on guys be optimistic LG! Kobe can make it through this!!!!!!! If she cant tell if it was rape or not.....she prolly wasnt cuz she HAS TO KNOW
SHE'S SLEPT WITH A LOT OF MEN BEFORE
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employee_No.8 · Joined: 22 Jul 2003 Posts: 20

Reddy · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:46 pm Post subject:

Guest · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:13 pm Post subject:

the girl sounds like a mental wreck like my Ex-gf was. For some reason i think this is what happened. She goes to Kobe's room, she's awe-struck by kobe, hes a super-star...got money fame etc and not a bad looking guy. So kobe starts hitting on her. She is unsure if she wants to hav sex with kobe or not, kobe convinces her too, not physically but persuades her to. They have sex, even during sex she is still reluctant to but again kobe persuades her too, starts taking her clothes off or whatever. The whole time she is reluctant to. So after they have sex, she goes home now feeling guilty and regret doing it. And now her mom plants in her head that she was raped. Same thing happened with my Ex her friends planted in her head that she was raped after what just happened, not by me but from a prev bf. I think that if she really didnt want to have sex she could have firmly said no.

atllakerfan · Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 70

I hate to break it to you but the scene you described is rape. If she is not willing and you "talk" her into it. then it qualifies as rape.

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Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:32 pm Post subject:

Vegasguy80 · Joined: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 232 Location: Vegas baby

So in other words you are trying to tell me if I talk my girlfriend into having sex with me when she didn't want to originally then it is sex? Not a chance man. Rape is forced and unconsensual sex. Not asking and asking and them then receiving. Come on :man7:

Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject:

atllakerfan · Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 70

if you and a girl are going hot and heavy, you say come on lets do it and she says anything but yes and you "talk" her into having sex. Then you can be convicted of rape. If you don't believe me ask a Lawyer.

Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:18 pm Post subject:

atllakerfan · Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 70

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Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:06 pm Post subject:

LakersFan2003 · Guest

Wrong, wrong, wrong. You can persuade all you want to, you can even trick somebody into it. You can lie, deceive, stretch the truth, use persuasion tactics but you cannot use physical force -- that is RAPE.

Think about it. If it were rape to "persuade" a girl to sleep with you, wouldn't we all be guilty of it? I mean ... we get all dressed up, we clean our cars, we open doors, we say nice things, we compliment them, we pretend to be interested in the things they have to say ... all very clever methods of persuasion (and the same methods used by car salesman) in order to get them to eventually sleep with us.

Even if a girl says no, there is no law that says you can't keep trying to persuade them. If however, you use physical means... then you could be guilty of attempted rape. But if you sit there and keep trying and trying and trying to say things that might make them change their mind, that isn't illegal, it's just annoying, or bad behavior.

The very definition of rape implies that physical force is necessary. If you hold her down, or give her a drug and put her in a position where she no longer has a choice, THAT is rape.

Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: hmmm

atllakerfan · Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 70

1 : an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force 2 a : sexual intercourse with a woman by a man without her consent and chiefly by force or deception -- compare STATUTORY RAPE b :
unlawful sexual intercourse by force or threat other than by a man with a woman 3 : an outrageous violation

BY DECEPTION
for your information I am a forensic examiner

LakersFan2003 · Guest

Well, immoral maybe ... depending on your definition of morality. But in legal terms ... you have to use force or the threat of force for it to constitute rape.

And date rape refers to those incidents where the victim knew the alleged attacker. As opposed to random incidents of rape where somebody like, climbs through a window or breaks in and rapes the victim. That's the only difference.

If you're on a date, and you tell the chick you may $10,000,000/year and she buys it and sleeps with you and finds out later you lied... that's not rape. Some might say it's just not classy.

Then again, if she is the type of person who would only sleep with you because you make $10,000,000 maybe she deserved to be lied to...

atllakerfan · Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 70

personally I think she cried rape because she was mad at Kobe. I think she thought he would help her with contacts in the LA music scene and he said no way. Because Vanessa would find out.

Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:37 pm Post subject:

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Ring It Up · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:53 pm Post subject:

Reddy · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:00 pm Post subject:

KobeIsAGod · Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Posts: 90 Location: Hollywood, CA

[quote="Reddy"]

LakersFan2003 · Guest

You can trick a person into sleeping with you. That is not against the law. If it was, we'd all be guilty.

If a girl says no, you can say "C'mon, I really love you ... you're what I've been waiting for". If she falls for it ... that's her bad.

If she says no, and you proceed to have sex with her anyway, THAT is rape. Like I said and I'll say it again ... the use of force, or the threat of force is required.

Think about it.