Ira Newble Thread (Signed for rest of season & playoffs)

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Hooray for Ira finally logging some decent minutes today, 11.

His defense was pretty impressive at times, overall struggled a bit, but it was only his first real game with us, but I still like him better than Luke already.

JuanoLAL · Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Posts: 6662 Location: SUMMER

Like him better than Luke? I think that's a stretch.

Luke has been hurt all season, thus, he's been ineffective. Ira has seen probably a total of 15 minutes as a Laker and besides rebounding and some decent defense, he hasn't really shown much else. He's a grinder, he's a presence inside and he can get into players heads. But to like him better than Luke already is a bit much I think.
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wallangong · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 1420 Location: Colorado

played some decent D and had a few nice offensive boards. too bad he missed that layup after one of the rebounds. i'll give him a pass and say that's just ironing out the wrinkles.

and let's remember, we live in a world where it's "what have you done for me lately?" lately, luke has done nothing and newble brings optimism on the defensive end, so it makes sense for people to like Ira more as of now.
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Alleyhoops · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:

Newble is one of the better defenders on our team - which isn't saying much. Watch his footwork next game when he's fighting for defensive position -- really excellent. Textbook stuff with a few tricks and wrinkles.

Artest clearly did not enjoy being defended by Newble. He's not used to someone as strong, if not stronger than him, bullying back. When Ira was on the floor, the entire team seemed to pick up their defense a bit, and that's a good thing.

This was a very savvy signing. I am a bit surprised that Phoenix, who was looking for a perimeter defender, didn't go after him.
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MDI · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject:

he's a good offensive rebounder, energy guy and made some very sturdy screens

He looked lost on offense though and committed some bad fouls in the 4th when Sacramento were making their run
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theinsanity · Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 903

I thought he looked awful out there. Defending Artest doesn't impress me, considering the guy has probably the worst shot selection in the entire league.

LakerzDQ · Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 591

a new guy always gets overrated here.

when Ariza came, they said he was better than Bruce Bowen, now they're saying Newble is a complete shut-down defensive player.

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fanboyslim · Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 447

People do expect too much from Newble though. Players don't get waived for exceling at their jobs. He is a good defender and a nice complement to the roster, but he's not the solution to the Lakers' defensive woes.

blocks · Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 1010 Location: The Bay, CA

When we signed him, I wasn't expecting much...and he's more or less delivered. A little help on defense, a little lacking on offense. It's a wash until further notice.
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Lakers323342 · Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 290

Newble looked good on defense and rebounding department. He was lost on offense and when he got the ball on the outside, he either tried to do a iso or passed cause he knew his shooting skills weren't good. He needs to play some more so that he can understand the offense better.

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theinsanity · Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 903

I didn't see Newble do anything better than what Luke normally does. He played decent defensively on some possessions but got beat on others, rebounded at best the same way Luke did and his bricks and hesitation were very Luke-esque on offense, only you could tell he wasn't comfortable passing the ball either.

Joe_Blow · Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 1822

Lets throw Luke on Artest and see how much folks like Newble.

Give me an athletic, strong SF w/ no jump shot who can defent an Artest decently over a non-athletic, slow, gets abused often SF w/ no jump shot any day.

Simple question: Championship is on the line, you need a stop, and you need someone to defend Pierce, who do YOU go with? Newble or Luke?

Too bad we're stuck with the "glue guy."
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Enforcer · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 1813 Location: The internets

Give Newble more playing time

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Enforcer · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 1813 Location: The internets

I just hope Ira's part of the rotation in the playoffs. He's our best defender off the bench.

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lakefansac · Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 400

Unless Ira Newble starts learning and knowing how to play within the offense, he's going to probably sit on the bench in favor of Luke playing.

Ira played good defense even though he was scored on but he was horrific on offense against Sacramento.

Disrupted the offensive flow of the team, does not know when to pass or when to shoot.

Phil is an offensive coach and will favor offense over defense, but if Ira starts to know and learn how to play within the triangle offense, he will get playing time.

Phil does play defensive players provided they know how to play within the triangle...

Ie. Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Trevor Ariza.

Fox, Horry, and Ariza knew how to roam around and find their spots without disrupting the offense.

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cthroatgtr · Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 843 Location: so cal

Realistically Newble will find spot minutes as a defender off the bench. Too much time on the floor and it will impact the offense immensely. He clearly can't shoot and hasn't really learned the offense, but his defense is solid. One of the Lakers problems recently with defense was as much to do with offensive spacing and balance as it did with defenders on the floor, and Newble doesn't help there. Really Pau's return helped them there and we know Pau isn't a great defender. But because the floor is better spaced and balanced it cuts down on run outs and improves the defense.

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borri · Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 3071

Some people think good defense = steal or block shot or rebound only.....................

JSM · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject:

He looked good on D against Ron-Ron and did a good job of battling for position ion the block for rebounds (big man's mentality in the respect).

He still has a ways to go on offense. He got a bit sloppy out there in the 2nd half.

That said, I'd gladly hand all of Luke's minutes healthy or not over to him.
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JSM · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject:

2 assists
1 block
5 minutes

And he played very good D during the Clipps possession in the final minute of the game.
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yong · Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 2011

lets be fair, newble does play good defence.

experienced veteran, who possesses good defensive footwork, discipline, strength and balance. those are the recipes for a good defender.

i am just worried that he willl become redundant next year, when lukerecovers and ariza comes back. he does not fit our youth plan too.

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