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karacha
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Should have drafted the ref J. Crawford. Mitch would be crowned the
GM of the decade. 
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Many of the second round surpises have been a bit undersized for their position. This guy could fit the mold, perhaps similar to a Raja Bell type of player.
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I'm probably the only person here who watched almost every game Joe played in college and has seen him in person.
Joe had some problems as a Freshman. He was part of a stud recruiting class which included Randolph Morris, Rajon Rondo and Ramel Bradley.
He and Bradley were the only ones who stayed all 4 years, but Joe almost didn't make it, deciding to leave his Freshman year, due partly to a lack of playing time.
Tubby Smith, a softy, let him back on the squad, but he was always an underachiever, until Billy Gillispie came to UK, broke Joe completely down as a senior, and resurrected his career.
Joe was one of the least favorite players of all time at UK, only to become a fan favorite by the end of his senior year. He put UK on his back and carried them to the tourney.
Joe is a great athlete, but probably lacks the size to score inside in the NBA the way he did in college.
One of the reasons I like this pick, is that Joe is a 4-year college player, who played for a coach (Tubby Smith) who has had players (Chuck Hayes, Keith Bogans, Tayshaun Prince, Rajon Rondo, Kelenna Azubuikie) go on to the NBA and really surprise people.
Plus, I like seeing the Lakers add tough-minded, hard-nosed, American players, just to see how it works. It definitely worked for Boston.
If it doesn't work, oh well, he was the 58th pick. No real loss. |
Finally! A real informed post on this guy. Big time. Thank you UKUGA!!
I like what I hear and am seeing with this guy. At the 58 I did not expect anything at all. Davon Jefferson - there's good reasons the guy did not get picked up by anyone. He needs to get it together. He can still be invited to camp.
Crawford sounds like a decent player. Looks like he can shoot - no problem scoring really from those draft reports and from UKUGA's post about his numbers. A few 30 plus point games, a nice 18 ppg average as a senior. Seems like a good enough player for the bench.
I'm just happy we didn't draft another so-so SF. Again, at the 58 this guy sounds like a pretty good player. A four year guy is a very good thing. |
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Can someone make a "There can only be one" avatar with Joe Crawford and Joe Crispin?
They're basically the same player.
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| This kid a lot better than Coby Karl, Tony Bobbitt and a few others who have made this team at times. |
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I haven't seen the guy play.
He looks like he can add a decent amount of bulk to his frame and be a muscly 2-guard. I'm very suspicious of his ability to play 1 EVER.
All that said, he seems to have a great attitude now, be a hard worker, and can score. We just need to give him confidence and see if he gains the ability to create shots for himself.
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58.
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| Crawford came into Kentucky with all kinds of expectations. He never lived up to his high billing. Not once in his fours years in Lexington was he the Wildcats go-to guy. |
Except for his senior year, when he was.
Especially after OJ Mayo's HS teammate, Patrick Patterson went down with an ankle injury. |
Ramel Bradley was often the go-to guy for the Cats this year. Whenever the game was on the line, except for the Marquette game, it was Bradley they looked to. |
That's mainly because Bradley was the PG by default, and was a chucker.
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i want this guy on the team and being the star player for the defenders
have this guy play garbage time and 2 years of summer league and NBADL
maybe he becomes a scorer off the bench
hes got potential
he is far from finished which is usually what you want in the second round development
this guy has gotten better every year maybe he continues that in the pros
hes the first athletic guy we've drafted since 2005 |
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs.
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied"
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied" |
big bootied sounded like a saying to me
because he said big bootied, short necked sounds like a southern saying |
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| last stand wrote: |
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| UKUGA wrote: |
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied" |
big bootied sounded like a saying to me
because he said big bootied, short necked sounds like a southern saying |
I'm from the South and I've never used big bootied to describe anything other than a female with a rotund arse.
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This could be a solid pickup for the Lakers. Especially at 58. I would've like the Lakers to draft either Charles Rhodes or Jamont Gordon out of Mississippi St as well, but I have followed Crawford since HS (where he was teamed up with Oregon's Malik Hairston at Renaissance High in Detroit). He came in with a lot of hype, having a rep as a high flying wing who can score in a variety of ways. The reason why he underachieved at Kentucky before his senior season was because of the offense Tubby Smith ran, which is similiar to Ben Howland's dull UCLA offense. You have to respect a player like Joe, who wasn't public about him being homesick and disgruntled at Kentucky during the Tubby Smith era, yet he still sucked it up and continued to work his butt off to have himself a wonderful senior season where he led Kentucky to the tournament even with their horrible start. Have some faith in him guys, it isn't fair to knock this guy down. He's our newest Laker for godsakes! 
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| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| last stand wrote: |
| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| UKUGA wrote: |
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied" |
big bootied sounded like a saying to me
because he said big bootied, short necked sounds like a southern saying |
I'm from the South and I've never used big bootied to describe anything other than a female with a rotund arse. |
Who the hell cares? Are you that homophobic?
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| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| last stand wrote: |
| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| UKUGA wrote: |
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied" |
big bootied sounded like a saying to me
because he said big bootied, short necked sounds like a southern saying |
I'm from the South and I've never used big bootied to describe anything other than a female with a rotund arse. |
Who the hell cares? Are you that homophobic? |
yes. yes I am.....
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^ Where's Satan when you need him? 
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Different body type than Mo, and even though he has a good vertical, he isn't as "springy" as Evans.
Joe is kind of a big-bootied, short-necked guy. He's a short-looking 6'4". I'm just being fair. He has learned how to score with his body-type, as he is strong, can jump, and can shoot; but, I'm not sure how that will translate in the pro game, as it was mentioned in an earlier scout-related posting, that he had some trouble scoring inside during pre-draft work-outs. |
I seriously hope your'e not a dude, because no guy should EVER describe another guy as "big-bootied" |
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| Who would win on a one on one? Joe Crawford or Coby Karl? |
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Great stuff. Sorry to the Haters but I like what I'm seeing and hearing about this guy. Everything I'm seeing so far should translate fine to the NBA. Clearly it looks like NBA 3 point range will need to be worked on, but I like it all. Drives to the hole, alley oops, good hops, decent looking shot. What the hell's the problem? |
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| Who would win on a one on one? Joe Crawford or Coby Karl? |
Coby Karl would win a game of 21 after he spotted Crawford 18....
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Crawford almost looks like a skinnier Rashad McCants. He has all the tools to make it as a solid bench player in the NBA. We'll see how he is in summer league.
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| live and die in LA wrote: |
| Crawford almost looks like a skinnier Rashad McCants. He has all the tools to make it as a solid bench player in the NBA. We'll see how he is in summer league. |
so did Von Wafer, the next Ray Allen...
the truth is Crawford is nothing special. I don't hate him or anything. I just don't want the fans to overrate him and then be disappointed why he doesn't live up to the expectations...58th picks don't even play in the NBA for usual...its like picking some random dude from NBADL for a 10 day contract...
once in a while there are surprises and unexpected things but usually 58th picks are outside looking in...
from the last few years the only second rounder that made the team is/was Luke Walton and Ronny Turiaf and both were very early second rounders.
Wafer got cut
Pinnock got cut
Douthit got cut
Sheikh Samb was traded
Sun Yue didn't make the team
Marc Gasol didn't come over because the Lakers didn't want him yet.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| kray28 wrote: |
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| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Been watchin' highlights of this guy over at Youtube for I had seen him in limited action this past season.
He's rather impressive.  Hopefully he has some success and gets some minutes. He can score. At the college level that is.
Time will tell.
I'd like to see a bigger body out there at times.
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Y'all ain't gonna' like this, but Gerald Green > Joe Crawford.  |
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| LkrsOvrMia wrote: |
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| nicehair911 wrote: |
| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Been watchin' highlights of this guy over at Youtube for I had seen him in limited action this past season.
He's rather impressive. Hopefully he has some success and gets some minutes. He can score. At the college level that is.
Time will tell.
I'd like to see a bigger body out there at times. |
It's youtube!!!!! I could post some highlights of myself and I would look like the greatest basketball player of all time. People pick and chose their highlights to put on there.
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| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| LkrsOvrMia wrote: |
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| nicehair911 wrote: |
| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Been watchin' highlights of this guy over at Youtube for I had seen him in limited action this past season.
He's rather impressive. Hopefully he has some success and gets some minutes. He can score. At the college level that is.
Time will tell.
I'd like to see a bigger body out there at times. |
It's youtube!!!!! I could post some highlights of myself and I would look like the greatest basketball player of all time. People pick and chose their highlights to put on there. |
Well, I'm certainly glad you arrived to clarify.
Anyway.  Check it out if you choose.
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| leakbrewergator wrote: |
| LkrsOvrMia wrote: |
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| nicehair911 wrote: |
| Sounds kinda like Maurice Evans. |
If he's anything like Mo, then he's a good pick. Especially at #58. |
Been watchin' highlights of this guy over at Youtube for I had seen him in limited action this past season.
He's rather impressive. Hopefully he has some success and gets some minutes. He can score. At the college level that is.
Time will tell.
I'd like to see a bigger body out there at times. |
It's youtube!!!!! I could post some highlights of myself and I would look like the greatest basketball player of all time. People pick and chose their highlights to put on there. |
The more I think about it maybe it wasn't even Crawford. 
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i rather get critt back.
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