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Stats don't show the whole picture, but I think in the case of Kwame there is some merit. Like it or hate it the past year and a half, the Lakers were at their best with Smush, Kobe, Luke, Lamar & Kwame. When they were together they were very good. In fact they should have beaten Phoenix the first year and only failed due to inexperience and Smush just losing all confidence which never really returned.
HOWEVER the big BUT is that Luke, Lamar & Kwame were all hurt. In fact Lamar & Kwame are always hurt. Lamar because he is not built to take the pounding at PF (think Camby same reason) and Kwame has a history of foot/ankle problems already. That is why that lineup cannot be counted on.
Still when healthy Kwame is the teams best low post defender and probaby one of the few players that has the strength to battle Yao/Shaq legitimately. If I was a team out west that has to deal with Yao I would make a trade for him and the Lakers should have been able to exploit that. Why that hasn't happened again just re-emphasizes the front office inability or lack of direction to get anything done. |
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Stearnfxr
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| My problem with kwame is thnat at some point he let his beuatiful jumpshot he had in early washington die. it was a nice ten foot jumper. the dude had nice hands early in his carreer. he has bulked up way too much, and that has been his biggest problem. |
No no, that's not how he lost it, he had no choice when the team got healthy they had enough offense so Kwame never saw the ball unless it was via a rebound. They completely cut him out of the offense. Then when he came here he had a problem with a cyst on his wrist that affected his shooting. |
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| I'm excited about Bynum next year, but I'm not excited about Kwame, why should I be? Has Kwame improved from year to year since he's been here? No. Has he worked on develping a shot or any low post game, working on his touch? No. So why should I be excited about a stone hands, no touch, basicaly useless on offense Center. Sure he's a good man defender, but he's lost a lot of other times on D and when he has a bad game, he has a BAD game. Take the Emeka Okafor dunk-fest last year as an example. The guy is what he is and I can't wait until his contract expires, unless Mitch is dumb enough to give him another $9mil contract after that. |
You're not being fair to Kwame. He worked on his game the entire off-season last year. The only times he hasn't worked during the off-season is when he was nursing some injury. He looked good until the ankle injury, once that happened he was done.
Injuries are the biggest reason for his shortcomings, and they aren't his fault. Sure, it's frustrating for Washington and Lakers fans to have this huge athletic freak with guard skills being unable to realize his potential, and sure, the easy way out is to blame him but the reality is the reasons for his lack of growth go deeper than that. But that doesn't make frustrated fans happy, they need to vent, they need to hate the guy and falsely accuse him in order to feel better about themselves I guess.
Well, you know what, we're stuck with him. Nobody wants him in a trade. If he can come into training camp healthy as his buddy alleges then what will it hurt to support the guy? Hasn't he had enough hardship that we don't have to add to it? Give the guy a bloody break for cry'n out loud! Which is better, a healthy Kwame with support from fans or a healthy Kwame that's hated by them? We need all we can get out of him so enough with the foolish hate that only detracts from the team.
As long as we have him we need to support him. He's still an athletic freak with skills that will come back if he can enjoy a measure of health and a dose of love from the fans. |
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D Nice
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| I honestly can't wait for Bynum to shut a lot of people up. It really isn't a stretch to see him at or near 15 & 10 per game this season if he's working on his game like people close to the situation are saying he has. |
Completely agree. I'm excited to see how Bynum has developed, I really think he'll surprise us all next season. Bring in Kwame for defensive purposes from the bench, along with Mihm, and you've got a pretty damn solid C rotation. |
At this point, Bynum is our only hope for salvaging the season thanks to our incredibly inept general manager.
Also, if Turiaf can avoid foul trouble, he's a flat-out better player than Luke Walton. Ronny will actually have some sort of defensive impact, and sliding Lamar to SF allows him to post up ([provided he actually takes advantage) and gives us a SF who, defensively, at least has a trace of athleticism.
Farmar
Kobe
Odom
Turiaf
Bynum
Our only hope for a decent year...
Kwame?  That fool ain't no starter. He's too inept offensively, especially when you pair him with Andrew, who has no face-up game. or mid range jumper. |
Did you forget about Fisher in that starting lineup?
And if Turiaf didn't have health issues, I'd definitely want to see him on the court more than Luke. |
Fisher is overrated here. He is barely a point guard who doesn't have young legs. He comes in and shoots 3s. He's primarily a mentor here for when the young guards fly off the handle and what not. Farmar is already more of a point guard than Fisher has ever been. |
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Stearnfxr
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Everybody realizes what Kwame can bring defensively. And I personally won't have a problem keeping him if we don't have to overpay him like we're doing now.
However, I can't buy the injury excuse. Lamar was hurting all over in playoffs last season, yet still averaged 19 ppg and 12rpg and played his heart out. He had surgery after the playoffs ended too like Kwame did. No wonder Phil questions Kwame's desire to play through pain. |
Whether you like it or not, it is valid. Why? Because every injury is different and only the injured can judge. |
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| Fisher is overrated here. He is barely a point guard who doesn't have young legs. He comes in and shoots 3s. He's primarily a mentor here for when the young guards fly off the handle and what not. Farmar is already more of a point guard than Fisher has ever been. |
The triangle offense does not require a true PG. In fact, it is more suited for SGs in PG bodies.
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@ People having faith in Kwame aka flaming phagget Brown. He is what he is. A 7 foot softy. I gave up on Kwame when i seen him get rejected on a dunk STRAIGHT UP by 6 foot 5 marco jaric. Smh i cant wait till this bum is off the Lakers, outta 7 years in the league, he seems to play even worse each year.
As far as Bynum, i think he's gonna have a hell of a year, definately will prove his haters wrong and making you guys look very stupid. I cant believe how much unecessary hate this kid gets from Laker fans, like it's his fault that he's a Lakers. Like it's his fault that he's the youngest player ever drafted. He's done nothing but improved from his rookie year till his second, yet he gets called a bust. People making like Bynum was getting greg oden type of hype coming out high school. |
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| D Nice wrote: |
| Fisher is overrated here. He is barely a point guard who doesn't have young legs. He comes in and shoots 3s. He's primarily a mentor here for when the young guards fly off the handle and what not. Farmar is already more of a point guard than Fisher has ever been. |
I wonder if Phil will agree with that assessment?
At any rate, Farmar still has a long way to go so I expect Fisher to be more than just a mentor this year.
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Kwame needs to gtfo before the mid season trade deadline or just make himself warm on the bench.
Ronny/Bynum(mihm) frontcourt is where we should be. I've got a hunch Bynum and Ronny are going to have break out years.
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@ People having faith in Kwame aka flaming phagget Brown. He is what he is. A 7 foot softy. I gave up on Kwame when i seen him get rejected on a dunk STRAIGHT UP by 6 foot 5 marco jaric. Smh i cant wait till this bum is off the Lakers, outta 7 years in the league, he seems to play even worse each year.
As far as Bynum, i think he's gonna have a hell of a year, definately will prove his haters wrong and making you guys look very stupid. I cant believe how much unecessary hate this kid gets from Laker fans, like it's his fault that he's a Lakers. Like it's his fault that he's the youngest player ever drafted. He's done nothing but improved from his rookie year till his second, yet he gets called a bust. People making like Bynum was getting greg oden type of hype coming out high school. |
talk about unnecessary hate, people constantly complain how the FO never gets defensive-minded players, and then hate on the ONE guy who plays great D. kobe is a great defender, but on this team he doesnt play great D night in and night out, every possession. kwame has his shortcomings on the offensive end, but it's just so amusing watching people clamor for defense and then ask for our only defensive presence to GTFO.  |
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| I'd like to see Kwame and Bynum rotate at the C, and then see Mihm play some PF with them. That would be a decent front court. |
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| I'd like to see Kwame and Bynum rotate at the C, and then see Mihm play some PF with them. That would be a decent front court. |
anything to put luke on he bench and lamar at SF
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| Our frontcourt is pathetic in West. |
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| Our frontcourt is pathetic in West. |
PF: Odom
C: Bynum/Kwame/Mihm
Warriors:
PF: Harrington
C: Biedrins
Clippers:
PF: Tim Thomas (?)
C: Chris Kaman
Phoenix:
PF: Marion
C: Stoudemire
Sac:
PF: Kenny Thomas
C: Brad Miller
NO:
PF: David West
C: Tyson Chandler
Dallas
PF: Dirk
C: Dampier/Diop
Houston:
PF: Splitter (?)
C: Ming
Spurs:
PF: Duncan
C: Elson
Memphis:
PF: Darko
C: Pau Gasol
Minnesota
PF: Jefferson
C: Blount
Denver:
PF: Nene
C: Camby
Portland
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden
Seattle:
PF: Collison
C: Kurt Thomas
Utah:
PF: Boozer
C: Okur
Of those 14 teams, I see only 5 teams that are clearly better...two of those, the Spurs and Mavs, don't have a better center rotation but their PF's make up for it.
Of those 14 teams, I see 6 teams we are clearly better than.
And then there are three that are debatable. I think you are underestimating our front line. |
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| Our frontcourt is pathetic in West. |
PF: Odom
C: Bynum/Kwame/Mihm
Warriors:
PF: Harrington
C: Biedrins
Clippers:
PF: Tim Thomas (?)
C: Chris Kaman
Phoenix:
PF: Marion
C: Stoudemire
Sac:
PF: Kenny Thomas
C: Brad Miller
NO:
PF: David West
C: Tyson Chandler
Dallas
PF: Dirk
C: Dampier/Diop
Houston:
PF: Splitter (?)
C: Ming
Spurs:
PF: Duncan
C: Elson
Memphis:
PF: Darko
C: Pau Gasol
Minnesota
PF: Jefferson
C: Blount
Denver:
PF: Nene
C: Camby
Portland
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden
Seattle:
PF: Collison
C: Kurt Thomas
Utah:
PF: Boozer
C: Okur
Of those 14 teams, I see only 5 teams that are clearly better...two of those, the Spurs and Mavs, don't have a better center rotation but their PF's make up for it.
Of those 14 teams, I see 6 teams we are clearly better than.
And then there are three that are debatable. I think you are underestimating our front line. |
I think lakers will meet one of the 5 teams in 1st round.
We are just clearly better than
Minnesota
PF: Jefferson
C: Blount
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| Our frontcourt is pathetic in West. |
Of those 14 teams, I see only 5 teams that are clearly better...two of those, the Spurs and Mavs, don't have a better center rotation but their PF's make up for it.
Of those 14 teams, I see 6 teams we are clearly better than.
And then there are three that are debatable. I think you are underestimating our front line. |
I think lakers will meet one of the 5 teams in 1st round.
We are just clearly better than
Minnesota
PF: Jefferson
C: Blount
Seattle:
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C: Kurt Thomas |
For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
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For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
Chris Mihm is back from injury and still a question mark. Kwame and Bynum suck in offense and no heart.
Chris Kaman or Brad Miller owns our frontcourt.
Al Harrington and Biedrins or Aldridge and Oden are debatable with our frontcourt. But in the future, Oden definietly owns Bynum. |
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For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
Chris Mihm is back from injury and still a question mark. Kwame and Bynum suck in offense and no heart.
Chris Kaman or Brad Miller owns our frontcourt.
Al Harrington and Biedrins or Aldridge and Oden are debatable with our frontcourt. But in the future, Oden definietly owns Bynum. |
Ok, Chris Kaman and Brad Miller are better centers. Is that difference as big as Kurt and Tim Thomas compared to Odom? No. When you say frontcourt...we aren't comparing one player, we are comparing the packaged group.
I don't disagree Oden will be better than Bynum...but Oden/Aldridge next year is not as good as Bynum/Odom.
I don't think Harrington and Biedrins is that debatable....would you trade them straight up for each other for one year? I wouldn't. Put Odom and Bynum in the Warriors style offense, and they have HUGE numbers. Plus, both Harrington and Biedrins are weak defensively...say we start Kwame...Harrington and Odom is a mismatch defensively for Odom, Kwame will shut down Biedrins I think. |
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@Stearnfxr
Everybody realizes what Kwame can bring defensively. And I personally won't have a problem keeping him if we don't have to overpay him like we're doing now.
However, I can't buy the injury excuse. Lamar was hurting all over in playoffs last season, yet still averaged 19 ppg and 12rpg and played his heart out. He had surgery after the playoffs ended too like Kwame did. No wonder Phil questions Kwame's desire to play through pain. |
You can't be serious?
You are comparing an ankle injury to a shoulder injury?
It's not even close. If you have ever tweaked your ankle, you know that it's impossible to be aggressive until that thing heals. Every time you exert yourself, the pain takes away all of the strength in it.
For a guy like Kwame who isn't particularly skilled, taking away his explosiveness and base is HUGE. I'm happy he did as well as he did on a bum wheel.
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| Fisher is overrated here. He is barely a point guard who doesn't have young legs. He comes in and shoots 3s. He's primarily a mentor here for when the young guards fly off the handle and what not. Farmar is already more of a point guard than Fisher has ever been. |
The triangle offense does not require a true PG. In fact, it is more suited for SGs in PG bodies. |
No.
He's right. Fisher is overrated. I'm more excited about the fact that he can run the offense and TEACH the younger guys how to run the offense.
We had TERRIBLE triangle execution last year. This year, I expect that to go up to mediocre, at least.
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@Stearnfxr
Everybody realizes what Kwame can bring defensively. And I personally won't have a problem keeping him if we don't have to overpay him like we're doing now.
However, I can't buy the injury excuse. Lamar was hurting all over in playoffs last season, yet still averaged 19 ppg and 12rpg and played his heart out. He had surgery after the playoffs ended too like Kwame did. No wonder Phil questions Kwame's desire to play through pain. |
You can't be serious?
You are comparing an ankle injury to a shoulder injury?
It's not even close. If you have ever tweaked your ankle, you know that it's impossible to be aggressive until that thing heals. Every time you exert yourself, the pain takes away all of the strength in it.
For a guy like Kwame who isn't particularly skilled, taking away his explosiveness and base is HUGE. I'm happy he did as well as he did on a bum wheel. |
IIRC Odom had some more work done on his knee in the offseason along with his shoulder. So I do believe Odom put forth a better effort.
Even Luke, with his bad ankle, put forth a better effort than Kwame.
On top of that, Kwame's bum ankle didn't stop him from scoring 19 points in one game. Why didn't he score more than 9 points in all the others? Work ethic is the only thing that can explain it in my eyes.
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For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
Chris Mihm is back from injury and still a question mark. Kwame and Bynum suck in offense and no heart.
Chris Kaman or Brad Miller owns our frontcourt.
Al Harrington and Biedrins or Aldridge and Oden are debatable with our frontcourt. But in the future, Oden definietly owns Bynum. |
Ok, Chris Kaman and Brad Miller are better centers. Is that difference as big as Kurt and Tim Thomas compared to Odom? No. When you say frontcourt...we aren't comparing one player, we are comparing the packaged group.
I don't disagree Oden will be better than Bynum...but Oden/Aldridge next year is not as good as Bynum/Odom.
I don't think Harrington and Biedrins is that debatable....would you trade them straight up for each other for one year? I wouldn't. Put Odom and Bynum in the Warriors style offense, and they have HUGE numbers. Plus, both Harrington and Biedrins are weak defensively...say we start Kwame...Harrington and Odom is a mismatch defensively for Odom, Kwame will shut down Biedrins I think. |
Without Oden, lakers' frontcourt are clearly better than blazers. |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Kwame/Bynum Frontcourt |
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| Kwame will finally play a full season, he's been playin hurt all along. |
I hate to be the bearer of bad news on Kwame as of late.
I hope he can finally play a full season. But, until someone with inside knowledge says otherwise, I'm assuming Kwame might miss half the season if not more than that.
Kwame Brown will be sidelined several months
Mihm had reconstructive ankle surgery in November. He was just cleared to run full speed in May. And recent reports have shown him to still be working his way back, hoping to be ready by training camp.
When he was still with the team, Devean George had reconstructive ankle surgery in July of 2004. He played his first game that season at the end of March 2005.
It's great to be optimistic about Kwame. But, we can't ignore what could be the reality. |
Severaly months AS OF MAY. We're in September. Training camp is in October. He'll be fine, maybe not 100% but close to it.
Also, Kwame's ankle was nowhere near as severely injured as Chris Mihm's. |
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For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
Chris Mihm is back from injury and still a question mark. Kwame and Bynum suck in offense and no heart.
Chris Kaman or Brad Miller owns our frontcourt.
Al Harrington and Biedrins or Aldridge and Oden are debatable with our frontcourt. But in the future, Oden definietly owns Bynum. |
Ok, Chris Kaman and Brad Miller are better centers. Is that difference as big as Kurt and Tim Thomas compared to Odom? No. When you say frontcourt...we aren't comparing one player, we are comparing the packaged group.
I don't disagree Oden will be better than Bynum...but Oden/Aldridge next year is not as good as Bynum/Odom.
I don't think Harrington and Biedrins is that debatable....would you trade them straight up for each other for one year? I wouldn't. Put Odom and Bynum in the Warriors style offense, and they have HUGE numbers. Plus, both Harrington and Biedrins are weak defensively...say we start Kwame...Harrington and Odom is a mismatch defensively for Odom, Kwame will shut down Biedrins I think. |
Without Oden, lakers' frontcourt are clearly better than blazers. |
WITH Oden, and for THIS coming year, the Lakers front court still would have been better. |
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For NEXT year...we are better than Aldridge and Oden, Kenny Thomas and Brad Miller, Al Harrington and Biedrins, Tim Thomas and Chris Kaman...
I don't see how you can argue any of those teams.
When you say, "pathetic", I automatically assume you mean a bottom five front court in the league...which is clearly not true. |
Chris Mihm is back from injury and still a question mark. Kwame and Bynum suck in offense and no heart.
Chris Kaman or Brad Miller owns our frontcourt.
Al Harrington and Biedrins or Aldridge and Oden are debatable with our frontcourt. But in the future, Oden definietly owns Bynum. |
Ok, Chris Kaman and Brad Miller are better centers. Is that difference as big as Kurt and Tim Thomas compared to Odom? No. When you say frontcourt...we aren't comparing one player, we are comparing the packaged group.
I don't disagree Oden will be better than Bynum...but Oden/Aldridge next year is not as good as Bynum/Odom.
I don't think Harrington and Biedrins is that debatable....would you trade them straight up for each other for one year? I wouldn't. Put Odom and Bynum in the Warriors style offense, and they have HUGE numbers. Plus, both Harrington and Biedrins are weak defensively...say we start Kwame...Harrington and Odom is a mismatch defensively for Odom, Kwame will shut down Biedrins I think. |
Without Oden, lakers' frontcourt are clearly better than blazers. |
WITH Oden, and for THIS coming year, the Lakers front court still would have been better. |
It's too bad that I can't prove you are wrong this season. |
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Critical Beatdown
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If only Kwame could start hitting his jump shot again...
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aka_USAPA
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Mitch isn't dumb enough to give him another big contract, but he is dumb enough to not get Kwame in a trade NOW so that we don't get NOTHING in return for him next offseason when he walks. |
How do you know he is not trying? And why would he trade a player just for the sake of a trade? |
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tttppp
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| Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Kwame/Bynum Frontcourt |
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| TheNotoriousBANG wrote: |
Wow am i the only one exited about this frontcourt
For real, the athletic bodies of these two just amaze me
In the beginning of the season Bynum was BALLIN!!!!
And in Wash Kwame had 2 games where he had 30 and 10 back to back in his 2nd season.
Look it up
Get the old sports pages 2 nights back to back 30 and 10.
While you guys are  about offseason i am 
Kwame and Bynum have too much potentiol among them
Kwame will finally play a full season, he's been playin hurt all along.
Bynum is finally 20. He was too young all along
LETS GOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! |
I'm with you 100%. As far as talent goes, I haven't seen a better center/PF combination...although they have a long way to go to be the best.
People forget that the lack of presence of big men was the biggest reason last season was awful. Everyone beat them up down low.
With a healthy Kwame, a better Bynum, and a healthy Mihm, the Lakers size should be an advantage over most teams. |
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