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JSM Clublakers Site Manager

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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: Marc Stein on Coby Karl |
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ESPN: My favorite Laker: Coby Karl
The reflex answer, if you had surveyed the stands after the Lakers' first game, would have been Javaris Crittenton, after several successful slices to the rim by the point guard from Georgia Tech in his 18-point debut.
But I'm going with the sentimental choice -- cancer survivor Coby Karl -- because it's not just a sentimental choice. Karl happens to look rather solid already, emerging as the glue guy for the Lakers' summer squad.
He's a late bloomer, but he's also blessed with hoops smarts and proven toughness after overcoming what he's faced already in life at 24. If you can also shoot with the range Karl is showing here, you're going to stand out in the summer league.
Another system player for Phil Jackson in the Luke Walton mode? Could be. Big guards who can pass and move have a future in Jackson's triange offense, which has never relied on traditional point guards.
Said one falling-in-love West exec: "He should have been a late first-round pick. He's going to play in this league for a long time." |
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The Kobe Era 2K5

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| It's still Summer League... Smush also thrived in Summer League and later made team, so Karl will have to prove himself in pre-season too... It's too early to tell how good he is. |
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Unless he proves he can defend on NBA level no thanks. _________________
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"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
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ladam24

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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^^ Hell, we started Smush, why not?
How tall is he anyway? _________________
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kray28

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:33 am Post subject: |
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If we replaced Sasha with Coby, what do you think would happen?
Really, this is a legitimate question. Coby is already showing me some great things, and making me forget who his dad is:
1. Very good shooting mechanics. Good spot up shot. Quick release
2. Good IQ picking up an offense he basically learned last week.
3. Decent anticipation and passing skills.
4. Good to decent handles
5. Some Luke like finishing ability
6. Willing to step up, take and make shots.
7. Good effort on defense.
Which one of the above do you see from Sasha? |
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JSM Clublakers Site Manager

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: |
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I think he has a good shot at making the team because...
1) He draws non stop comparisons to Luke (meaning he's a Phil type player)
2) As pathetic as this is....Mitch has been watching this kid for 3 years
3) He seems to have finally developed a solid work ethic. George said his son has cut his body fat practically in half. And that the Nuggets coaching staff ran the triangle with him for a few days so he would have a clue of what he's doing out there with the Lakers. _________________
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Critical Beatdown

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
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| kray28 wrote: |
If we replaced Sasha with Coby, what do you think would happen?
Really, this is a legitimate question. Coby is already showing me some great things, and making me forget who his dad is:
1. Very good shooting mechanics. Good spot up shot. Quick release
2. Good IQ picking up an offense he basically learned last week.
3. Decent anticipation and passing skills.
4. Good to decent handles
5. Some Luke like finishing ability
6. Willing to step up, take and make shots.
7. Good effort on defense.
Which one of the above do you see from Sasha? |
Other than #5, Sasha has all those qualities. He tries harder than anyone on the team on defense, he has very good shooting mechanics, handles the ball well and rarely turns it over, executes the Tri at a high level, and is always willing to step up and hit big shots.
I actually thought you were joking with this post until I saw #5. _________________ ...as I enter your mind, decorate and paint my sign...LA Lakers will be 2008-09 NBA Champions! |
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Lakers8899
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Another reminder for the Luke signing mistake. Note to Mitch: you can find a role player just about anywhere, no need to waste 30 million on one. |
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Lakers8899
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| KB8@CL wrote: |
| Unless he proves he can defend on NBA level no thanks. |
From what I've seen, I think he's actually a better defender than Luke(though that's not saying much obviously). I don't think Luke is capable of blocking a shot from his own man, summer league or not. |
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winstonemby
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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| JSM wrote: |
I think he has a good shot at making the team because...
1) He draws non stop comparisons to Luke (meaning he's a Phil type player)
2) As pathetic as this is....Mitch has been watching this kid for 3 years
3) He seems to have finally developed a solid work ethic. George said his son has cut his body fat practically in half. And that the Nuggets coaching staff ran the triangle with him for a few days so he would have a clue of what he's doing out there with the Lakers. |
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Satan

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I hadn't seen him play until yesterday and he looked decent but IMO he doesn't bring anything to this team that we don't already have. I have a gut feeling he ends up on our roster and spends the year in the D league. _________________
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kray28

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
and is always willing to step up and hit big shots.
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Sorry I lost you at that point. We're talking about actual games here, not practice. |
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Mitch kupchak

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw this guy play he has a good game. He reminds me of Luke alot like Luke, BUT he is a way better shooter than walton and he also plays better defs. |
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| revgen wrote: |
| Coby is shorter than Luke at 6-5, so he's a little quicker defensively. However, Luke is taller and his body is stronger. Coby could be a smaller SF with more speed and less strength than Luke. |
The SF position is moving into a different direction....its all about size and athleticism...
its all about athleticism...Coby would get SMOKED...
Rudy Gay
Josh Smith
Kevin Durant
Jeff Green
Corey Brewer
Gerald Wallace
Corey Maggette
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
LeBron James
Shawn Marion
Tyrus Thomas
Loul Deng
Danny Granger
Trevor Ariza
Shard Lewis
Josh Howard
Andray Kirilenko
Ron Artest
Shane Battier
Caron Butler
Darius Miles
Tay Prince
Turkoglu
Peja
Radman
either they are 6-9 or 6-10 or they are freakish athletes...in most cares they are TALL AND ATHLETIC...
I promiss you Karl would get destroyed against any of these guys...they just out-run him
and with Luke and Vlad we donīt have any minutes anyway. _________________
"It is not how big you are, it is how big you play"
"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
"Be strong in body, clean in mind, lofty in ideals"
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Shrek

Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 145 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| kray28 wrote: |
| Critical Beatdown wrote: |
and is always willing to step up and hit big shots.
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Sorry I lost you at that point. We're talking about actual games here, not practice. |
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's been hitting big shots for four years now. Although it is yet to be seen on the NBA level, this kid is a battler that is not afraid to put his team on his back, and will never back down from a big shot. He's been the leader on his team for three years now, and if he doesn't make it with the Lakers, he will with someone else. I know, I live 100 miles from Boise, and he's all I've ever heard about from my coworkers regarding BSU basketball. As much as I used to hate BSU, it sure would be cool to cheer for a kid who played in Idaho to make it onto my beloved Lakers. Ronny played for the Idaho Stampede while he was doing rehab, but thats different. Plus, thats when I had to ask around, "Who are the Stampede???"
Anyway, don't sleep on Coby, he's clutch. _________________ Mitch is my daddy!!! |
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Shrek

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| KB8@CL wrote: |
| revgen wrote: |
| Coby is shorter than Luke at 6-5, so he's a little quicker defensively. However, Luke is taller and his body is stronger. Coby could be a smaller SF with more speed and less strength than Luke. |
The SF position is moving into a different direction....its all about size and athleticism...
its all about athleticism...Coby would get SMOKED...
Rudy Gay
Josh Smith
Gerald Wallace
Corey Maggette
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
LeBron James
Shawn Marion
Tyrus Thomas
Loul Deng
Danny Granger
Trevor Ariza
Shard Lewis
Josh Howard
Andray Kirilenko
Ron Artest
Shane Battier
Caron Butler
Darius Miles
Tay Prince
Turkoglu
Peja
Radman
either they are 6-9 or 6-10 or they are freakish athletes...in most cares they are TALL AND ATHLETIC...
I promiss you Karl would get destroyed against any of these guys...they just out-run him
and with Luke and Vlad we donīt have any minutes anyway. |
I think Coby would fit into Sasha's role, kind of a combo guard, between the 1 and 2. He's definitely smart enough to pick up the triangle, and a good enough passer to play the 1 in the tri. Probably not in any other system though. _________________ Mitch is my daddy!!! |
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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ya I wouldnīt mind him in the Sasha role....but still its just the SPL and I want to see him against NBA caliber talent before I judje...he will probably get a camp invitation and then play in the pre-season and we will see how he does...
alltho in perspective..Tierre Brown shot 60% in pre-season and had a 5/1 assist-to-ratio...so even pre-camp doesnīt say much about real competition. _________________
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"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
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Shrek

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I just hope he can continue to shoot in game situations, not just practice, cause he can be an assassin when he wants to be. Plus he can create his own shot. He won't be called on to start, so hopefully he can develop into Kobe's perfect backup, someone who can at least hold the dogs at bay with his scoring till the real Kobe is rested.
Are there anymore former white players/coaches sons coming up?? They are perfect for the triangle. Does Phil have a son? He'd probably name him "Messiah"
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Shrek

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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Mike Dunleavy would be good.  _________________ Mitch is my daddy!!! |
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wOlF

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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he looks like someone who can REALLy contribute
he'll probably put up luke walton numbers with less assist if he's got the chance
definitely someone i'd rather have over sasha
and im' sure the coaching stuff really likes him also
this laker summer league team really shows the potential of karl (also farmar and j-critt) |
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harrise007

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| I have watched the games he played in, he's not bad, good shooter not the best Athelete. The NBA has changed a lot. I mean I don't think Luke is worth 30 million either. But does anyone believe Rashard Lewis is worth 110mil? Or Micahel Redd getting 93 etc? I mean the money has gotten way out of hand! |
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Shrek wrote: |
| KB8@CL wrote: |
| revgen wrote: |
| Coby is shorter than Luke at 6-5, so he's a little quicker defensively. However, Luke is taller and his body is stronger. Coby could be a smaller SF with more speed and less strength than Luke. |
The SF position is moving into a different direction....its all about size and athleticism...
its all about athleticism...Coby would get SMOKED...
Rudy
Josh Smith
Gerald Wallace
Corey Maggette
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce
LeBron James
Shawn Marion
Tyrus Thomas
Loul Deng
Danny Granger
Trevor Ariza
Shard Lewis
Josh Howard
Andray Kirilenko
Ron Artest
Shane Battier
Caron Butler
Darius Miles
Tay Prince
Turkoglu
Peja
Radman
either they are 6-9 or 6-10 or they are freakish athletes...in most cares they are TALL AND ATHLETIC...
I promiss you Karl would get destroyed against any of these guys...they just out-run him
and with Luke and Vlad we donīt have any minutes anyway. |
I think Coby would fit into Sasha's role, kind of a combo guard, between the 1 and 2. He's definitely smart enough to pick up the triangle, and a good enough passer to play the 1 in the tri. Probably not in any other system though. |
Those are for the most part starting SF's. Coby wouldn't be starting, or defending their starting players. _________________
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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^^ those guys play 40 minutes a night...
it doesnīt matter when Coby comes in, he will not be able to defend.
also with Radman and Walton and Evans we have more than enaugh for the SF spot... _________________
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SignPippenNow
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I would like to see Coby get a chance at shooting guard and see if they can move Vujacic for a small forward. If they are convince Fisher and Crittendon can get it done at PG then I wouldn't care if they moved Farmar (if not included in bigger deal for KG or JON) for an athletic small forward. Get cheap backup in Karl and an athletic forward to help Luke and Radman. |
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methodnredd

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Please guys, one Luke Walton is enough. We don't need another. |
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BadNewsBear

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if we'll have a spot for him. Fisher, Farmar, Crittenton, Mo Evans, Kobe, Sasha. Unless a trade is made to free up a spot in the back court, I don't see him making it out of training camp. _________________ My Work-In-Progress Video List |
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BryantOdom24/7

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| By looking at Coby, it appears that George Karl's weight is not hereditary and that George is just too lazy to get on a treadmill. and the fact that coby is a cancer survivor will give him an excellent connection with ronny turiaf if he makes the team as ronnie had open heart surgery and they have both beat the odds to have an opportunity at an NBA career |
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I think he will get an invite to Camp... _________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
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