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Yeah...like anyone believed for even a minute that he wouldnt.
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Dang I was just gonna post this.
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Boston just got an ace 
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| Yeah...like anyone believed for even a minute that he wouldnt. |
I agree with this post, regretfully due to who posted it.
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I think a bit overrated. Hovering around the 3.00 ERA mark a good bit of career and that is against non MLB talent. Paying basically the big fee of 51 mill and the deal is rumored to be 6 year 50-60 million is far too much.
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From reports, for Boston this basically becomes 6 years/103 million (51+52). Comes out to the equivalent of about 17.16M per year.
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| From reports, for Boston this basically becomes 6 years/103 million (51+52). Comes out to the equivalent of about 17.16M per year. |
Way too much.
Here is why the deal HAD to get done:
1. The RedSox didnt go through all this for nothing, just to let him walk, but thats the most obvious reason.
2. Matzusaka or whatever his name is wanted to play in the MLB. Hes wanted to for some time now, and that is even more important to him than money. All this "drama" was posturing by his agent, who unfortunately holds very little standing because Boston has all the leverage with exclusive rights. Either he signed with Boston or he didnt sign with anyone. Not a good bargaining position.
3. The Lions, his Japenese team, put serious pressure on him to get the deal done because remember that they are the ones who received the $51 millon in the first place. That pays their team salary for the entire year. You think Muzaktacka could go back to them after a few weeks of negotiating and say "Hey, sorry guys, give back that $50 mil I couldnt hammer out a deal. So.....wheres my locker!??!"
4. The Agent. And this is perhaps the biggest one. Mushukatzki's agent now has a great bond formed with Japenese baseball. Who do you think the next Japanese player is going to look for for representation? Well, if he sends Makikaza back empty handed, guess what? His credibility is destroyed, and there goes all those nice fat and easy commissions hes got lined up for the next decade.
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 @ Guru's Matsuzaka names. How good will this guy be? I don't watch baseball much, but I'm interested in your guy's thoughts. Some of the experts think he'll be the "one" to come out of Japan.
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^Same thing they said about Irabu.
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That would suck for Boston if this guy blows his back out or something.
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| KrazyIvan909 wrote: |
| @ Guru's Matsuzaka names. How good will this guy be? I don't watch baseball much, but I'm interested in your guy's thoughts. Some of the experts think he'll be the "one" to come out of Japan. |
Some have said that he'd be a top 3 pitching prospect if he was in the minors.
To put it simply...Plus fastball, Plus Slider with plus control.
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Did any of you watched the sportscenter segment when he landed....man so many press and media coverage.
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| GuRu wrote: |
| The Podium wrote: |
| From reports, for Boston this basically becomes 6 years/103 million (51+52). Comes out to the equivalent of about 17.16M per year. |
Way too much.
Here is why the deal HAD to get done:
1. The RedSox didnt go through all this for nothing, just to let him walk, but thats the most obvious reason.
2. Matzusaka or whatever his name is wanted to play in the MLB. Hes wanted to for some time now, and that is even more important to him than money. All this "drama" was posturing by his agent, who unfortunately holds very little standing because Boston has all the leverage with exclusive rights. Either he signed with Boston or he didnt sign with anyone. Not a good bargaining position.
3. The Lions, his Japenese team, put serious pressure on him to get the deal done because remember that they are the ones who received the $51 millon in the first place. That pays their team salary for the entire year. You think Muzaktacka could go back to them after a few weeks of negotiating and say "Hey, sorry guys, give back that $50 mil I couldnt hammer out a deal. So.....wheres my locker!??!"
4. The Agent. And this is perhaps the biggest one. Mushukatzki's agent now has a great bond formed with Japenese baseball. Who do you think the next Japanese player is going to look for for representation? Well, if he sends Makikaza back empty handed, guess what? His credibility is destroyed, and there goes all those nice fat and easy commissions hes got lined up for the next decade. |
actually that part is not true. The condition was the team had to pay JUST TO NAGOTIATE, without regard at the result that 51 mio was gone, no matter whether Matse signed or not.
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| Did any of you watched the sportscenter segment when he landed....man so many press and media coverage. |
Thats Boston.
The same city who had a police escort for Doug Mirabelli (IIRC) when he landed to get him to the stadium in time for a game after they traded to get him back, while he dressed in teh car.
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| KB8@CL wrote: |
| GuRu wrote: |
| The Podium wrote: |
| From reports, for Boston this basically becomes 6 years/103 million (51+52). Comes out to the equivalent of about 17.16M per year. |
Way too much.
Here is why the deal HAD to get done:
1. The RedSox didnt go through all this for nothing, just to let him walk, but thats the most obvious reason.
2. Matzusaka or whatever his name is wanted to play in the MLB. Hes wanted to for some time now, and that is even more important to him than money. All this "drama" was posturing by his agent, who unfortunately holds very little standing because Boston has all the leverage with exclusive rights. Either he signed with Boston or he didnt sign with anyone. Not a good bargaining position.
3. The Lions, his Japenese team, put serious pressure on him to get the deal done because remember that they are the ones who received the $51 millon in the first place. That pays their team salary for the entire year. You think Muzaktacka could go back to them after a few weeks of negotiating and say "Hey, sorry guys, give back that $50 mil I couldnt hammer out a deal. So.....wheres my locker!??!"
4. The Agent. And this is perhaps the biggest one. Mushukatzki's agent now has a great bond formed with Japenese baseball. Who do you think the next Japanese player is going to look for for representation? Well, if he sends Makikaza back empty handed, guess what? His credibility is destroyed, and there goes all those nice fat and easy commissions hes got lined up for the next decade. |
actually that part is not true. The condition was the team had to pay JUST TO NAGOTIATE, without regard at the result that 51 mio was gone, no matter whether Matse signed or not. |
I think your mistaken. Boston is refunded the money if no deal is reached. Im almost positive of that.
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| GuRu wrote: |
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| From reports, for Boston this basically becomes 6 years/103 million (51+52). Comes out to the equivalent of about 17.16M per year. |
Way too much.
Here is why the deal HAD to get done:
1. The RedSox didnt go through all this for nothing, just to let him walk, but thats the most obvious reason.
2. Matzusaka or whatever his name is wanted to play in the MLB. Hes wanted to for some time now, and that is even more important to him than money. All this "drama" was posturing by his agent, who unfortunately holds very little standing because Boston has all the leverage with exclusive rights. Either he signed with Boston or he didnt sign with anyone. Not a good bargaining position.
3. The Lions, his Japenese team, put serious pressure on him to get the deal done because remember that they are the ones who received the $51 millon in the first place. That pays their team salary for the entire year. You think Muzaktacka could go back to them after a few weeks of negotiating and say "Hey, sorry guys, give back that $50 mil I couldnt hammer out a deal. So.....wheres my locker!??!"
4. The Agent. And this is perhaps the biggest one. Mushukatzki's agent now has a great bond formed with Japenese baseball. Who do you think the next Japanese player is going to look for for representation? Well, if he sends Makikaza back empty handed, guess what? His credibility is destroyed, and there goes all those nice fat and easy commissions hes got lined up for the next decade. |
I agree with most of what you said and didn't even think aboug 4. Boras is now set for life with all the japanese guys probaly will be lineup to have him represent them.
Just to add to your comments another reason they wanted to get the deal done is Mataszuka with this deal got a nice pay raise. In Japan I think he made like what 3 million a year something in that ball park. Now making 8.5 million not a bad pay raise. Not to mention he will get a boatload of endorsements as well.
Which leads to Boston. They also now will have a nice japanese market for them. They will have a whole nation at least for a season or two rocking this guys jersey.
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Guru is right with the returning money arguement. this is from an ESPN article:
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Boston now has 30 days to negotiate a deal with Matsuzaka, who
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oh I´m definitely sure I did read articles about it...
but oh well the media and my reliance on them 
I should have known better...
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I always end up trying to follow the Japanese MLB players careers. I just don't know if this guy will be such a great MLB player. People have said the famed Gyroball is a joke and it isn't even real...a myth. I want him to do good, no not because he is a member of the Red Sox but because Boston paid him so much money. Even if it were the Yankees that did all this 51 million dollar bidding and stuff, for there sake, I would hope he becomes a star in this league just because of the money he gets.
In the WBC he pitched against some MLB players and this is how he did:
3 wins
0 losses
1.38 ERA
13 innings
Gave up 8 hits
gave up 2 runs (both earned)
gave up 1 homerun
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I always end up trying to follow the Japanese MLB players careers. I just don't know if this guy will be such a great MLB player. People have said the famed Gyroball is a joke and it isn't even real...a myth. I want him to do good, no not because he is a member of the Red Sox but because Boston paid him so much money. Even if it were the Yankees that did all this 51 million dollar bidding and stuff, for there sake, I would hope he becomes a star in this league just because of the money he gets.
In the WBC he pitched against some MLB players and this is how he did:
3 wins
0 losses
1.38 ERA
13 innings
Gave up 8 hits
gave up 2 runs (both earned)
gave up 1 homerun |
Here is the probelm comparing the WBC to the pros. In the WBC he faced guys who were just coming in for spring training and weren't ready in reference to the MLB players in the WBC. Also he only played in 3 games on that stage which not alot of people knew who he was at first.
Now he is going to get A-Rod coverage X10. Both Red Sox and Japanese fans will be looking at him hard and the rest of the league will too to see what he is about and be nice and ready for him. Not to mention he plays in the same divison as the evil empire and all those big bats.
I think he might do okay but, I don't think he will come in an be a savior for the sox and take them to a title.
About the gyro ball it's suppose to be some kind of old school pitch I think somewhat of a modified slider but, not really sure on that part.
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