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| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
You just broke my sarcasm detector. You're gonna pay for that buddy.
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| I wonder what Sasha would look like if he worked out with kobe |
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| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality.
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why is his size such a big deal?
reggie miller was one of the skinniest players in the league.
but did that stop him from dominating?
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as long as sasha can find his groove and shoot like he does in practice... i could care less if he hulks up or skins down... |
Because with size, comes strength for Sasha. Miller is/was much stronger than Sasha, Sasha has a small frame and is very weak.
No, I'm not a freshman in college, I just lift weights and I'm on a bulking phase... Sasha gaining weight is encouraging, I'm just saying if he's really looking to bulk up, his improvement wasn't really all that great. |
sasha's game is strictly perimeter... why does sasha need size when he is gonna be hanging around the perimeter?
people are caring too much about his size... he isn't a SF/PF/C...
maybe he's better being a little skinny but quick.
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| I wonder what Sasha would look like if he worked out with kobe |
If he worked out with Kobe, he would be sent back to Slovenia in a box.
Nobody can stand Kobe's work out LOL.
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Sasha is about as useful as a poop flavored popsickle.
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| Sasha is about as useful as a poop flavored popsickle. |
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When Kobe discovered his 3 ptr in 2002, he credited his bulking up for giving him the strength to shoot it.
Sure, Sasha may be a great shooter in practice, so you could argue that he doesn't need any addt'l strength to stroke it. However, in practice you have all the time in the world to shoot it, in the games it's always a quick release, and that muscle does come in handy. |
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He has bulked up, thats very nice for him. still I don´t care about his size or weight or stroke. I care about results.
He has bulked up? well I expect more defense.
Nice stroke? I expect very good shooting.
combo guard? I expect good decisions
thats the point. He has shown neither of the 3 above. At the end of the day nobody talks about how great his wide open clank looked. Everybody says he MADE or MISSED the shot. Nobody says he TRIED on defense. Either he defended or got burned. Nobody says he had a great idea. Everybody says he made a great decision or he made a terrible decision.
thats how things go. So sure I´m excited when he adds the tools but as long as he is not able to capitalize and make those tools work, its useless. period.
Sasha had 2 seasons now and while he has improved he has still WAYS to go. lets not forget, unlike other draft rookies he had 3 years of professional basketball in Italy. He entered the italian league with 16 and played there for 3 years before coming to the Lakers.
Still he plays worse than a lot of rookies. How can I be happy with that? We wasted a pick that could be Chris Duhon for a bum. I dunno how many times I screamed PICK DUHON MITCH, PICK HIM YOU IDIOT and he chose Sasha. Duhon would have been starting and surprise surprise, he can defend and hit 3 pointers IN THE GAME, not in his grandma´s backyard.
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| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality. |
Oh ok, so Sasha has a top 5 shot and an then you're claiming he is the second best free throw shooter of all-time.
That isn't a reality. It's called the fantasy world. |
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| 21_Blessings wrote: |
| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| 21_Blessings wrote: |
| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality. |
Oh ok, so Sasha has a top 5 shot and an then you're claiming he is the second best free throw shooter of all-time.
That isn't a reality. It's called the fantasy world. |
Why the indefinite article for reality and the definite for fantasy? I have no clue what you're trying to say by that. As for the rest, it's all there. Anyone who can read English knows exactly what I'm saying. Keep playing your game. It seems to have served you well.
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i'm still worried about kobe's knee
will he be 100% ready to attack on opening night? when i hear that he can't jump right now... less than a month to go? i don't know .... will he be at 100% athletic abilities by the start=? |
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| k0pr0phage wrote: |
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| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality. |
Oh ok, so Sasha has a top 5 shot and an then you're claiming he is the second best free throw shooter of all-time.
That isn't a reality. It's called the fantasy world. |
Why the indefinite article for reality and the definite for fantasy? I have no clue what you're trying to say by that. As for the rest, it's all there. Anyone who can read English knows exactly what I'm saying. Keep playing your game. It seems to have served you well. |
I can read english. And so far, you have said Sasha has good vision (which he doesn't), good passing (still no) and then called him a 'true hybrid' guard, which would then imply he plays defense well or something. Then you go on to call people who disagree with those outlandish sentiments a douchebag. I understand exactly what you are saying.
But this is no surprise coming from a guy who believes Sasha has a top 5 shot and is seriously trying to argue that he would be second all-time in terms a freethrow shooting (which he wouldn't be based on the number of freethrows he has attempted.) |
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i think sasha will have a better year, considering that he didn't play his first year, and the leagues in europe are much different than the nba, where it's not about ball handling but constantly passing the ball to the man next to you.
after all, most of the european players take a year or two to adjust to the nba
this will be a telling year for a number of players, not just sasha, but especially smush who gets most of the PG minutes, if he can sustain himself for the whole season thistime around |
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why is his size such a big deal?
reggie miller was one of the skinniest players in the league.
but did that stop him from dominating?
hell no...
as long as sasha can find his groove and shoot like he does in practice... i could care less if he hulks up or skins down... |
Because with size, comes strength for Sasha. Miller is/was much stronger than Sasha, Sasha has a small frame and is very weak.
No, I'm not a freshman in college, I just lift weights and I'm on a bulking phase... Sasha gaining weight is encouraging, I'm just saying if he's really looking to bulk up, his improvement wasn't really all that great. |
sasha's game is strictly perimeter... why does sasha need size when he is gonna be hanging around the perimeter?
people are caring too much about his size... he isn't a SF/PF/C...
maybe he's better being a little skinny but quick. |
Because he still needs to play defense. Last season he did a decent job on point guards, but got manhandled by the shooting guards in the league. Also, if he's ever going to learn to take advantage of his size, he's going to have to learn to take contact and having additional mass helps. |
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I can read english. And so far, you have said Sasha has good vision (which he doesn't), good passing (still no) and then called him a 'true hybrid' guard, which would then imply he plays defense well or something. Then you go on to call people who disagree with those outlandish sentiments a douchebag. I understand exactly what you are saying.
But this is no surprise coming from a guy who believes Sasha has a top 5 shot and is seriously trying to argue that he would be second all-time in terms a freethrow shooting (which he wouldn't be based on the number of freethrows he has attempted.) |
I love your inability to read. It has provided a few minutes of enjoyment. I've never said that Sasha "would be" anything. Since I've never said it, I certainly didn't stage an argument toward that thesis, so good luck in trying to establish that claim. It's simply a fact that he has shot FTs remarkably well, has been touted at all levels for his pure stroke. He hasn't been able to do it in a game...but it's not his mechanics. They're beautiful.
As for Sasha's defense, there are many PGs and many SGs who do not play good defense, but we don't stop calling them PGs or SGs. I know that you think Sasha plays no defense, but why should Sasha be held to a standard different from the other guards in the league? He has the length to play SG, the skill set to play PG offensively. His defensive numbers are good, he has looked pretty good defensively against some top PGs (e.g., Iverson, Bibby).
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| 21_Blessings wrote: |
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| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality. |
Sasha's form is money. Those who think that function won't eventually follow form are simply crazy.
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wow... his shot looks so effortless...
it's all mentality... definetly..
maybe the added size will give him more confidence.
(watch the 2:45 mark  )
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the white mamba? 
anyway, stop hating. sasha looks alot bulkier than he did last year. 
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Im expecting a big season from Sasha, because this is the year that determines his fate with the Lakers.
He's had two years, so we kind of cut him some slack, but now he knows the ropes, he's had all off-season to practice his game and get in shape, so Im expecting a big year as a sixth man or seventh man or whatever lol. |
You can't improve your game in just one season. If it were that easy, there would be a lot more quality players in this league. This will be a VERY long process. |
Sasha will be better this year and he probably will play more than Farmer Phil does not play rookies much... Just ask Bynum!!!. He has bulked up which will help against the smaller guards. His first year he was learning the league. His 2nd year he had a new coach and offense to learn. Sasha now has 1yr of the triangle under his belt. He is not bad on defense..the offense will come!!! So get off his back!! Sasha would school all of you!!! |
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| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| 21_Blessings wrote: |
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| Sasha is probably a true hybrid guard. He has good vision, good passing, and good ballhandling skills despite what some douche bag says. |
Don't forget that top 5 shot. |
Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time, and given exactly what I spelled out that "top 5 shot" to mean, I won't forget it until he loses it. You'd do well to face reality. |
Oh ok, so Sasha has a top 5 shot and an then you're claiming he is the second best free throw shooter of all-time.
That isn't a reality. It's called the fantasy world. |
Why the indefinite article for reality and the definite for fantasy? I have no clue what you're trying to say by that. As for the rest, it's all there. Anyone who can read English knows exactly what I'm saying. Keep playing your game. It seems to have served you well. |
I can read english. And so far, you have said Sasha has good vision (which he doesn't), good passing (still no) and then called him a 'true hybrid' guard, which would then imply he plays defense well or something. Then you go on to call people who disagree with those outlandish sentiments a douchebag. I understand exactly what you are saying.
But this is no surprise coming from a guy who believes Sasha has a top 5 shot and is seriously trying to argue that he would be second all-time in terms a freethrow shooting (which he wouldn't be based on the number of freethrows he has attempted.) |
You are hating, but I will repeat myself: Get off his back ...Sasha would school you and make you cry like a girl!!! Lets wait and see how he plays before you say anything. |
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funny thing is that when Sasha has confidence in his stroke he barely moves the net. I think Sasha will come out with some serious stroke play this year especially with Vlad being on the team.
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Farmars ink is probably the gayest thing I have seen since sasha.
Not that theres anything wrong with it. I am still frightened that sasha and farmar will be relied on for strong play. Farmar at least showed in the tournie that he can embrace defense. I am actually fairly optimistic about our PG situation
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funny thing is that when Sasha has confidence in his stroke he barely moves the net. I think Sasha will come out with some serious stroke play this year especially with Vlad being on the team. |
seriously I watched it again and he barely even moves the net. I know hes gonna do good this year. i seriously can't wait for the season to start to see how he does.
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| simpleomahadude wrote: |
Im expecting a big season from Sasha, because this is the year that determines his fate with the Lakers.
He's had two years, so we kind of cut him some slack, but now he knows the ropes, he's had all off-season to practice his game and get in shape, so Im expecting a big year as a sixth man or seventh man or whatever lol. |
You can't improve your game in just one season. If it were that easy, there would be a lot more quality players in this league. This will be a VERY long process. |
Sasha will be better this year and he probably will play more than Farmer Phil does not play rookies much... Just ask Bynum!!!. He has bulked up which will help against the smaller guards. His first year he was learning the league. His 2nd year he had a new coach and offense to learn. Sasha now has 1yr of the triangle under his belt. He is not bad on defense..the offense will come!!! So get off his back!! Sasha would school all of you!!! |
well, i'll play the same amount of minutes as Farmer. because Farmer, won't play for lakers. and 2nd, just aks Bynum? Bynum wouldn't get solid minutes in 99% of teams in the league. when was the last time Phil had a NBA - ready rookie, who was able to make an immediate impact on the team?
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| simpleomahadude wrote: |
Im expecting a big season from Sasha, because this is the year that determines his fate with the Lakers.
He's had two years, so we kind of cut him some slack, but now he knows the ropes, he's had all off-season to practice his game and get in shape, so Im expecting a big year as a sixth man or seventh man or whatever lol. |
You can't improve your game in just one season. If it were that easy, there would be a lot more quality players in this league. This will be a VERY long process. |
Sasha will be better this year and he probably will play more than Farmer Phil does not play rookies much... Just ask Bynum!!!. He has bulked up which will help against the smaller guards. His first year he was learning the league. His 2nd year he had a new coach and offense to learn. Sasha now has 1yr of the triangle under his belt. He is not bad on defense..the offense will come!!! So get off his back!! Sasha would school all of you!!! |
well, i'll play the same amount of minutes as Farmer. because Farmer, won't play for lakers. and 2nd, just aks Bynum? Bynum wouldn't get solid minutes in 99% of teams in the league. when was the last time Phil had a NBA - ready rookie, who was able to make an immediate impact on the team? |
And your point is????What???
Phil is known for not playing rookies so Sasha and Parker will play...they know the triangle. Bynum will play more this year due to Chris not even ready to play. What is your point again???? |
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I love your inability to read. It has provided a few minutes of enjoyment |
I love your inability to form an argument about Sasha that be would actually be considered valid in the real world. And your consistent back pedaling regarding this subject has provided me with more more than a few minutes of laughter.
| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| I've never said that Sasha "would be" anything. Since I've never said it, |
Except you did.
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| Considering his career FT% would put him at #2 all-time |
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| I certainly didn't stage an argument toward that thesis, so good luck in trying to establish that claim. |
Haha, no need. You did for me.
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| It's simply a fact that he has shot FTs remarkably well, has been touted at all levels for his pure stroke. He hasn't been able to do it in a game...but it's not his mechanics. They're beautiful. |
He hasn't even cracked 75 FT attempts for his entire career. And his pure stroke sure hasn't been touted at the NBA level.
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| As for Sasha's defense, there are many PGs and many SGs who do not play good defense, but we don't stop calling them PGs or SGs. I know that you think Sasha plays no defense, but why should Sasha be held to a standard different from the other guards in the league? He has the length to play SG, the skill set to play PG offensively. His defensive numbers are good, he has looked pretty good defensively against some top PGs (e.g., Iverson, Bibby). |
What the hell are you even talking about.
1) No one is holding Sasha to a different standard
2) Sasha does not play 'good' defense. Empirical evidence, which is called Game Tapes show this. He is good at being a pest, thats about it.
3) So what if he has the length? He lacks the athleticism, mind set, lateral quickness to be effective.
No worries though, Sasha won't be Laker much longer. |
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