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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject: NFL PLayoff picture... Reply with quote

NFC
#1 Bears (9-1) 1st NFCN
#2 Giants (6-3) 1st NFCE
#3 Seahawks (6-4) 1st NFCW, 5-3 Conf.
#4 Panthers (6-4) 1st NFCS, 4-3 Conf.
#5 Saints (6-4) 2nd NFCS, 5-1 Conf
#6 Cowboys (6-4) 2nd NFCE, 3-3 Conf

outside looking in:
Eagles (5-5), Falcons (5-5), 49ers (5-5)

AFC
#1 Colts (9-1) 1st AFCS
#2 Ravens (8-2) 1st AFCN, tiebreaker vs Chargers
#3 Chargers (8-2) 1st AFCW
#4 Patriots (7-3) 1st AFCE
#5 Broncos (7-3) 2nd AFCW
#6 Chiefs (6-4)

outside looking in:
Jaguars (5-4) * will bump Chiefs out with win v NYG tonight*, Jets (5-5), Bengals (5-5)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eagles don't count, McNabb's gone.

Falcons should be making a push, Abraham comes back on Sunday man9
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys you forgot the Cowboys just beat the Colts. I know that doesn't mean much now, but I think that was there starting point for finishing the rest of the season strong.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowboys! Because my Raiders suck.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lakerskobebryant24 wrote:
Hey guys you forgot the Cowboys just beat the Colts. I know that doesn't mean much now, but I think that was there starting point for finishing the rest of the season strong.


It still counts as just one win.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, everyone knows it takes work to beat the Colts. It's a big 1 win though.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the Bears have the NFC locked up? I say Yes.

Here is why. With the Giants loss to the Jaguars, they are 6-4. The Bears have at least a three game lead on every team in the NFC with 6 games to play. They also hold the head-to-head tiebreaker versus Seahawks and the Giants - so they essentially have a four game lead against those two teams. Dallas, Carolina, and New Orleans are the other three NFC teams that post a 6-4 record. Dallas and Carolina have already lost 3 games versus NFC opponents. The Saints have lost only 1 game versus and NFC opponent but have a rough schedule left with games at Atlanta, Dallas, and the Giants. The Saints also have home games against the hot San Francisco 49ers and the Carolina Panthers.

Now, even if the Bears lose to New England, they will still have at least a 2 game lead over the five teams currently tied for second in the NFC. Since the Bears two loses will have been to AFC opponents, they could lose 2 NFC games and retain the tiebreaker against the Giants (head-to-head), Cowboys (conference record), Seahawks (head-to-head), and Panthers (conference record). So, even with a loss to New England, the Bears essentially would only need to finish the season 3-2 against the Vikings, Bucs, and Packers at home and the Rams and Lions on the road.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. Chicago's schedule is quite friendly, and they are thre games up on everyone, so it's not going to happen. Chicago clinches homefield throughout the playoffs, which becomes a big deal when it's cold and people have to travel to Soldier Field.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes. Chicago's schedule is quite friendly, and they are thre games up on everyone, so it's not going to happen. Chicago clinches homefield throughout the playoffs, which becomes a big deal when it's cold and people have to travel to Soldier Field.


Yup but a big defense and 2 running backs might be the receipe for success in the conditions. If the Cowboys finish strong in the final 6 and end up seeing the Bears in the NFC finals it could make for an interesting match. Dallas has shreaded cover 2 teams so far this year, gthey have the big recivers to attack the middle of the field and they have a very good TE. Baring injuries I'de say there the most balanced theam in the NFC that has a real chance at beating the Bears in that weather.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ For reals. The Cowboys are definitely a team that could beat anyone...or lose to anyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cowboys have a better chance next year.

The only thing the Cowboys need to do to get better is:

1. Start Romo every game (get rid of Bledsoe)
2. Get less penalty's
3. Throw the ball to To more often

I know the last one sounds weird. When they get TO the ball it is just to hard for anyone to stop him because he is so strong and talented. TO can pick up a 1st down on most plays when they get him a ball, or if they are close to the end zone he can always get 7 for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lakerskobebryant24 wrote:
The Cowboys have a better chance next year.

The only thing the Cowboys need to do to get better is:

1. Start Romo every game (get rid of Bledsoe)
2. Get less penalty's
3. Pass the ball to To more often

I know the last one sounds weird. When they get TO the ball it is just to hard for anyone to stop him because he is so strong and talented. TO can pick up a 1st down on most plays when they get him a ball, or if they are close to the end zone he can always get 7 for you.


Well I think they have a chance this year because they are spreading the ball (Glenn and Witten are no sloutches). T.O needs to keep catching the ball and the TDs will continue to pile up, he benifits just as much from the other 2 as they do from him. I agree that Romo needs to start full time (no brainer with his current performance) but you don't drop Bledsoe, every team needs to good vet back up. I agree totally that they have to eliminate the big penalties and I eliminate the big passing plays. The sky is the limit with 4 out of 6 at home, they could make a realistic push for home field until a potential Bears match up (unless they slip of course).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
Lakerskobebryant24 wrote:
The Cowboys have a better chance next year.

The only thing the Cowboys need to do to get better is:

1. Start Romo every game (get rid of Bledsoe)
2. Get less penalty's
3. Pass the ball to To more often

I know the last one sounds weird. When they get TO the ball it is just to hard for anyone to stop him because he is so strong and talented. TO can pick up a 1st down on most plays when they get him a ball, or if they are close to the end zone he can always get 7 for you.


Well I think they have a chance this year because they are spreading the ball (Glenn and Witten are no sloutches). T.O needs to keep catching the ball and the TDs will continue to pile up, he benifits just as much from the other 2 as they do from him. I agree that Romo needs to start full time (no brainer with his current performance) but you don't drop Bledsoe, every team needs to good vet back up. I agree totally that they have to eliminate the big penalties and I eliminate the big passing plays. The sky is the limit with 4 out of 6 at home, they could make a realistic push for home field until a potential Bears match up (unless they slip of course).


Yes, if they get the TO they will win more games. I still think they should trade Bledose and get a better backup. If they don't let Bledsoe start he is gonna retire. Also, 2-3 penalty a game is ok, you just can't win with more. They should finish better than last year, 11 and 5 is how they should finish.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One Question i have....

Will Billick's Goal come true? man3

The Ravens are taking one game at a time, and its worked thus far... but they arent playing to just make the playoffs, they are playing for the Super Bowl and thus, have their eye on 1st place and Home Field Advantage throughout the playoffs.

Owning the tiebreaker over the Chargers, and only 1 loss behind the Colts... and a seemingly light schedule for the remaining 6 games, i think there is a chance.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think they will obviously get the the playoffs since they are one of they best teams in their conference at 8-2. The Super Bowl is gonna be hard because we know the they will face Chicago in Super Bowl, if they can even get to the Super Bowl.

I just don't see them as one of my picks for being in the super bowl. In their conference Denver/San Diego/NE are my picks that could make it to the Super Bowl.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would think they will obviously get the the playoffs since they are one of they best teams in their conference at 8-2. The Super Bowl is gonna be hard because we know the they will face Chicago in Super Bowl, if they can even get to the Super Bowl.

I just don't see them as one of my picks for being in the super bowl. In their conference Denver/San Diego/NE are my picks that could make it to the Super Bowl.


I agree, but they have already defeated the Chargers, and lost a close one to denver in Denver.

I think its all going to come down to health for the ravens, but they have the pieces to get it done i feel.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

man10 um..the Bears? just a week ago the Cowboys were on the brink of "disaster" now they're the favorite to win the NFC? pshhh... man10
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man10 um..the Bears? just a week ago the Cowboys were on the brink of "disaster" now they're the favorite to win the NFC? pshhh... man10


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?



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Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?




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I like how you guys think man1
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Do the Bears have the NFC locked up? I say Yes.

Here is why. With the Giants loss to the Jaguars, they are 6-4. The Bears have at least a three game lead on every team in the NFC with 6 games to play. They also hold the head-to-head tiebreaker versus Seahawks and the Giants - so they essentially have a four game lead against those two teams. Dallas, Carolina, and New Orleans are the other three NFC teams that post a 6-4 record. Dallas and Carolina have already lost 3 games versus NFC opponents. The Saints have lost only 1 game versus and NFC opponent but have a rough schedule left with games at Atlanta, Dallas, and the Giants. The Saints also have home games against the hot San Francisco 49ers and the Carolina Panthers.

Now, even if the Bears lose to New England, they will still have at least a 2 game lead over the five teams currently tied for second in the NFC. Since the Bears two loses will have been to AFC opponents, they could lose 2 NFC games and retain the tiebreaker against the Giants (head-to-head), Cowboys (conference record), Seahawks (head-to-head), and Panthers (conference record). So, even with a loss to New England, the Bears essentially would only need to finish the season 3-2 against the Vikings, Bucs, and Packers at home and the Rams and Lions on the road.


They basically have it locked up to. After NE they face Minny, ST.louis, TB, DET, GB. To be honest they could easily go 5-0 or 4-1 no sweat. Heck the last three games hardly seem fair man10

The Bears are the most wierdiest number 1 team I have seen in awhile. It seems with them and should I saw with Grossman when they are good they are nearly unbeatable but, when he struggles they loook god awful. They should win the NFC outright and be in the SB but, one bad game by Grossman can have them sent packing.
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Sweet seeing the Niners make the list. Who woulda thought that 3 weeks ago?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GuRu wrote:
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Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?


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oh Guru, it isn't how you start, it's how you finish the season which really helps you know if you have a legit shot at it all. You can start 10-0, lose the next 6 and be slumping on the way in. I'de rather finish strong and enter the playoffs on a role. I'm not sure if Dallas can beat Chicago in Chicago but I'de be willing to bet they have Bears fans attention as a potential road block.
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GuRu wrote:
saint091 wrote:
Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?


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oh Guru, it isn't how you start, it's how you finish the season which really helps you know if you have a legit shot at it all. You can start 10-0, lose the next 6 and be slumping on the way in. I'de rather finish strong and enter the playoffs on a role. I'm not sure if Dallas can beat Chicago in Chicago but I'de be willing to bet they have Bears fans attention as a potential road block.


Thanks for stating the obvious in regards to "its not how you start....", but no, Bears fans arent suddenly getting scared of the Cowboys because of a walloping on TB @ home.

And IMO, making the claim that you are the best team in the NFC, before or after Thursday, was ridiculous at this point.

Ive already witnessed a boatload of Dallas trolls on the ChicagoBears messageboard I read frequently baosting the same claim. The only problem with that is, they remind me very much of the Philly and Giants fans that frequented there the last few weeks (who of course are nowhere to be seen now).
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GuRu wrote:
saint091 wrote:
Dallas is the best team in the NFC right now. Romo is developing every game with the second best QB rating in the league. Who's gonna stop the Cowboys?


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oh Guru, it isn't how you start, it's how you finish the season which really helps you know if you have a legit shot at it all. You can start 10-0, lose the next 6 and be slumping on the way in. I'de rather finish strong and enter the playoffs on a role. I'm not sure if Dallas can beat Chicago in Chicago but I'de be willing to bet they have Bears fans attention as a potential road block.


Thanks for stating the obvious in regards to "its not how you start....", but no, Bears fans arent suddenly getting scared of the Cowboys because of a walloping on TB @ home.

And IMO, making the claim that you are the best team in the NFC, before or after Thursday, was ridiculous at this point.

Ive already witnessed a boatload of Dallas trolls on the ChicagoBears messageboard I read frequently baosting the same claim. The only problem with that is, they remind me very much of the Philly and Giants fans that frequented there the last few weeks (who of course are nowhere to be seen now).


well I didn't sya scare Bears fans I just suggested they should have there attention. If it were just the Bucs I'de agree but the've also beat the Panthers in Carolina and beat Indy just 5 days ago. This team has won 4-5 and have majority of the rest of there games at home. If they stay on a role going into the playoffs they will pose a serious challenge to Chicago. I wouldn't say there the best team in the NFC but there definetly top 3 ever since Romo has sparked the turn around. I don't think most teams would be lining up to play the Cowboys come playoff time. I also hate fair-weather fans, I assure you I'm not one of them.
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Thats cool MC, I have no problem giving your team props, and Ive done so frequently over the past few good weeks for them. But I also am always trying to play realist and keep it in perspective, the same way as I try to do for my own teams.

There is no denying that the Cowboys season outlook was rocky at best a few weeks ago. And in keeping this perspective I was talking about, its impossible to forget about that and just look at the positive. Thats just the way I approach things.

As a Bears fan, yes, Im ecstatic that we have a great record, a very favorable position, and are almost assured home field throughout now. Im also happy that the offense is leap years ahead of what we had going last year. But Im still weary of Rex at times. I am weary of their performance in the playoffs based on recent history. And yes, even though I think its way overstated, I do wish the Bears had a few more challenges along the way. I think the Bears are the best in the NFC, absolutely, but I also think the gap isnt as big as the record shows are as some might think who arent following the NFC too closely. What if the D has an off day? What if a great coach really is successful in exposing the Cover II, because it can be beat with a little luck and great execution? What if Rex goes into self-destruct mode (Arizona style) in the playoffs? What if the running game reverts back to what it looked like in Weeks 1 and 2?

Now, as a Cowboys fan I think you should be reasonable as well. What about when the Romo honeymoon is over (ie Ben Rothliesberger)? What impact will a virtually ZERO experience QB have over the long run or in the post-season? What about the ticking timebomb TO? What if what they say is true about Parcells and he doesnt have it anymore? What if those costly mistakes start rearing their ugly heads again?

Now my point isnt just to worry about everything little thing, but I think its important to think about weaknesses as well.
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Rothlisberger is at best an average QB. It's obviously early, but I'd almost stake any reputation I might have as knowing anything at all about sports and say that Romo is better than Big Ben. This is not a claim that Romo is one of the best in the league; it's just time for people to realize that Ben Rothlisberger is not good.

Here's what Cowboys fans should think about: this team hasn't made the playoffs two years in a row with almost the same damn team. The only difference is the relationship between the QB and the #1 WR. Owens is very good, and Romo seems to have a rapport with him. Is that enough to make the team a powerhouse? Yes. Is it enough to win the Super Bowl? I don't know. I don't think so.
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