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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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60-70% of your max is fine, depending upon your number of reps and set and your goals.
My wife's car is in the shop so I'm letting her use my car. I haven't been able to get into the gym regularly, but that's good because it's Finals time for me and I'm too stressed to work out effectively right now. I'm looking forward to getting back at it. Good luck to you. _________________
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Coville

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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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So I joined my schools football team, they needed offensive linemen badly and I needed something to do.
Today I went in and had a light workout, 15 minutes on the bike, 5 of those minutes basically the thing cranked to the max.
Than I did leg press, 450 pounds. 10 reps, than 7, than 5.
Than just leg extension, 145 with 3x15.
I worked out my arms the other day, but I did the chest press, just 1x 20 @ a light weight (didn't look, just did it to stretch everything out)
I didn't do that much, just wanted to get in there and do something. _________________
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 20804 Location: Tallahassee
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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^ How big are you for an OL?
I did some running and stuff today. Ran a lap (.7 miles or so, I think), 21 burpees; ran a lap, 15 burpees; ran a lap, 9 burpees. Then I missed the bus and walked to school...3.5 miles. Sucked. _________________
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Coville

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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6-5 295 _________________
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 20804 Location: Tallahassee
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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What grade are you in? You're a big dude. Now you need to add some strength. I might be able to out legpress you...and I'm only 150
I wish I were a conditioning for high school athletes or possibly college (but I'd rather be a conditioning coach for female athletes in college; guys have amazing help for their college teams. Girls, not so much.). I'd make you a machine. _________________
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Coville

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| trodgers wrote: |
What grade are you in? You're a big dude. Now you need to add some strength. I might be able to out legpress you...and I'm only 150
I wish I were a conditioning for high school athletes or possibly college (but I'd rather be a conditioning coach for female athletes in college; guys have amazing help for their college teams. Girls, not so much.). I'd make you a machine. |
2nd year @ my university. It's division 3 and I am by far the biggest guy on the team.
I'll be working out everyday this summer though, maybe you could help me out with a routine to follow. Our school gym has about every type of machine, weight, etc possible, I just need a plan.
I have a friend who I've done web work for who runs a personal training business, problem since we're friends we fool around to much and talk when we get into the gym.
I need to cut fat and add muscle though, thats for sure. _________________
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 20804 Location: Tallahassee
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I don't know a ton about OL, but let me think about it. I'm sure I can come up with some suggestions that you can investigate for yourself and see what you like and what you don't. Are you a Guard or Tackle? _________________
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lilkhmerkid4u

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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I laugh in the face of Kobe Bean Bryant
For the past 2 weeks i've been waking up at 2am do cardio/lift weights go eat
and at 6am i go practicing my hoops for 4 hours straight
for 2 weeks. _________________
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^ rookie  _________________ CLUB-DODGERS
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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A_V_R

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| lilkhmerkid4u wrote: |
I laugh in the face of Kobe Bean Bryant
For the past 2 weeks i've been waking up at 2am do cardio/lift weights go eat
and at 6am i go practicing my hoops for 4 hours straight
for 2 weeks. |
Why at 2am? _________________ My quicks smell like french toast
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OCLakersFan247
Joined: 14 Nov 2007 Posts: 935 Location: Downtown Los Angeles / Bay Area
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Hi Guys,
Need some workout advice. I'm tryna build up some lean muscle and I seem to be getting some results but I just want to get a better idea of the type of workouts I should do. I'm in pretty good shape right now...workout 4 times a week with 40 minutes cardio and 40 minutes of weight lifting. I don't want to bulk up or anything just kinda stay lean, and get "cut" I guess. Any thoughts on supplements? I've kinda experimented with whey protein a bit. Any help would be good. Thanks _________________ "expose foes with hocus pocus flows, they froze, now suckas idealize my chosen blows"-2pac
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BB

Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 275 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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You are doing WAY too much cardio. Cut it down to 15-20 minutes and don't just jog. Do sprints/HIIT cardio.
Also, doing more than 15 in a set of something is useless. You need to use more weights and do 8-10 for building, 15 for cutting and 6-8 for strength. Also, change up your routines. Damn, I'm some skinny arse chick and have better knowledge. :( Sometimes, I'd wish I'd be a guy so that I can work with my body and stuff. lol. Women lack the hormones to do that, and they're gross if they get muscular(at least IMO). |
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 20804 Location: Tallahassee
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
You are doing WAY too much cardio. Cut it down to 15-20 minutes and don't just jog. Do sprints/HIIT cardio.
Also, doing more than 15 in a set of something is useless. You need to use more weights and do 8-10 for building, 15 for cutting and 6-8 for strength. Also, change up your routines. Damn, I'm some skinny arse chick and have better knowledge. :( Sometimes, I'd wish I'd be a guy so that I can work with my body and stuff. lol. Women lack the hormones to do that, and they're gross if they get muscular(at least IMO). |
I'd like to disagree with some of what you've said. I do agree that 4 sessions of 40 minutes of cardio is too much if you're looking to build muscle and you're not a champion athlete to begin with. I would have said a year ago that you should never do more than 15 reps in a set, but I'd say that that is false now. It depends upon your goals and what you're doing in those 15 reps.
Crossfit has people doing sometimes much more than 15 reps and the results of Crossfit are simply astounding. _________________
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BB

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, I didn't read anywhere that crossfit asks you to do a set of 50 reps. Plus, I was referring to weight lifting mostly and exercises used to build muscle, where crossfit is used mostly in gaining athletically performance(be faster, quicker, jump higher) just as plyometrics.
Actually, crossfit is plyometrics, cardio and weight lifting combined. Plus, I doubt 50 back extensions and 50 crunches is crossfit training(ok, I'll say I'm sure it's not because some don't get sarcasm)... |
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
| Hmm, I didn't read anywhere that crossfit asks you to do a set of 50 reps. Plus, I was referring to weight lifting mostly and exercises used to build muscle, where crossfit is used mostly in gaining athletically performance(be faster, quicker, jump higher) just as plyometrics. |
Have you ever gone to their web site? They strive for all of the following, as per their PDF "What is Fitness?":Cardiovascular/respiratory endurance, Stamina,
Strength, Flexibility, Power, Speed, Coordination, Agility, Balance, Accuracy.
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| Actually, crossfit is plyometrics, cardio and weight lifting combined. Plus, I doubt 50 back extensions and 50 crunches is crossfit training(ok, I'll say I'm sure it's not because some don't get sarcasm)... |
Well, you're wrong. Look at their web site: http://www.crossfit.com/. See April 18th: run 800 meters, 50 back extensions, 50 situps; three rounds for time.
Then see the following dates on screen:
April 17th: 21 reps, 15 reps, 9 reps
April 24th: "Angie" workout: 100 Pull-ups, 100 Push-ups, 100 Sit-ups, 100 Squats
So you should probably take a look at it before you make pronouncements on it. _________________
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BB

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:58 am Post subject: |
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I'm willing to bet you 100$ that you will see less results from what you do in building mass, strength, power, balance than the old fashion 10-12 reps, supersets and whatever. I didn't enumerate the rest because they're either irrelevant(speed, accuracy) or it's stamina which it's obvious that you'll get from doing a bazillion workouts.
By the way, what I say is based on scientific studies, not some websites. If you look up Hydroxycut, they say on their site that it burns fat and so on, but it's one of the most overrated and worst products that will do nothing for you. |
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halekulani

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
Also, doing more than 15 in a set of something is useless. |
not really
depends what you're doing 15 reps for. |
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
I'm willing to bet you 100$ that you will see less results from what you do in building mass, strength, power, balance than the old fashion 10-12 reps, supersets and whatever. I didn't enumerate the rest because they're either irrelevant(speed, accuracy) or it's stamina which it's obvious that you'll get from doing a bazillion workouts.
By the way, what I say is based on scientific studies, not some websites. If you look up Hydroxycut, they say on their site that it burns fat and so on, but it's one of the most overrated and worst products that will do nothing for you. |
What are your scientific studies? And what do you mean by "more results"? As for health and fitness concerns, I have no idea why speed and accuracy (you should probably read what they mean by it; it's important) are irrelevant.
I've trained doing HIT for years, notably Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty workout. Crossfit is incredibly beneficial in terms of overall fitness, burning calories, and STILL adding strength, which is impressive. _________________
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BB

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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I have to go now and drive to my parents, but I'll show you what I base my theory on.
Speed and accuracy are irrelevant because neither crunches nor back extenstions help any of them. I want a scientific study that doing 50 crunches and 50 back extensions build muscle and work anything other than muscle endurance. Or doing more than 50 reps of anything actually(except plyometric exercises, cardio and so on). |
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Lakerman91

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:03 am Post subject: |
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In BB’s defense a lot of what she is saying is true.
OCLakersFan-
Optimal rep ranges for muscle growth vary slightly depending on different factors such as training age. The rep guidelines BB gave weren’t wrong it’s just that they apply more to intermediate lifters. I’m guessing you’re relatively new to training so 10-12 would put you around the functional hypertrophy zone. This means that you should be able to gain strength and size equally. Total hypertrophy zone for a beginner can be as high as 13-16 reps. This zone concentrates on size and takes longer to gain strength. Anything higher than that will put you into the endurance zone. You aren’t going to get big or strong using that range. Less than 10 reps would be the strength zone for a beginner.
Hopefully that helps clear up some of the confusion in this thread about reps and what they will do for you. Now all you need to do is figure out number of sets, exercise selection, training split, rest periods and diet and you should be ready to go.  _________________ "Its just a matter of time guys. Bynum WILL be a star in this league, I can promise you that."-Lakerman91
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BB

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| The smartest thing to do is to do 4 sets with 12,8,8,6/8 or 12,6,6,6/6 in reps. I'm going to look for that study later, but right now it's Easter and I just got home from my parents and I'll have a bottle of red wine with my fiance/boyfriend. :P |
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halekulani

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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reading this makes my head hurt
BB - get it through your head that nobody is trying to argue against a claim that lifting heavier weights at lower reps is going to improve power and muscle mass. it has everything to do with saying "more than 15 reps is useless". guess what? it isn't. |
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
I have to go now and drive to my parents, but I'll show you what I base my theory on.
Speed and accuracy are irrelevant because neither crunches nor back extenstions help any of them. I want a scientific study that doing 50 crunches and 50 back extensions build muscle and work anything other than muscle endurance. Or doing more than 50 reps of anything actually(except plyometric exercises, cardio and so on). |
You're running 800 meters and you're doing the WHOLE thing for a time, trying to push yourself to do it with as little rest as possible. That does two things: it makes you move quickly so you're working on the speed with which you do the movements and you're going to get fatigued and your motor coordination will falter. Practicing movements like running, situps or crunches, and back extensions while tired improves your ability to make those muscles work when they're fatigued. _________________
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| OCLakersFan247 wrote: |
Hi Guys,
Need some workout advice. I'm tryna build up some lean muscle and I seem to be getting some results but I just want to get a better idea of the type of workouts I should do. I'm in pretty good shape right now...workout 4 times a week with 40 minutes cardio and 40 minutes of weight lifting. I don't want to bulk up or anything just kinda stay lean, and get "cut" I guess. Any thoughts on supplements? I've kinda experimented with whey protein a bit. Any help would be good. Thanks |
Here's a different way of answering your advice. You want to build lean muscle, but you don't want to bulk up. The easiest thing for you to do is change your diet. Drop some fat and see if you still want to add more muscle or if you're okay with the way you look.
I do think that 4 times per week with 40 cardio and 40 minutes of weight lifting, if you don't have a great plan in mind, you're probably being counterproductive. _________________
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BB

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I'll word it in another way. Doing more than 15 reps is way inefficient. Like it, this way? :D
Running involves doing a certain distance in the quickest time you can, so duh, you obviously try to push yourself to do it as fast as you can. I run that half a mile in 2 minutes and 37 seconds and for a girl, that's better than 95% probably. I'd like to know in how much time you do those 800 meters.
I do agree with what you said. Doing 50 reps of something, doesn't do anything(efficiently) besides muscle endurance.
halekulani, I didn't disrespect you, but considering you did I'll answer you in the same way. :P It hurts your head because you have only one living brain cell and it got into hypertrophy. |
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halekulani

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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
| Ok, I'll word it in another way. Doing more than 15 reps is way inefficient. Like it, this way? :D |
guy doesnt want to get big to begin with.
what is so hard to understand about that?
getting cut has more to do with diet than lifting heavy weights |
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BB

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
| BB wrote: |
| Ok, I'll word it in another way. Doing more than 15 reps is way inefficient. Like it, this way? :D |
guy doesnt want to get big to begin with.
what is so hard to understand about that?
getting cut has more to do with diet than lifting heavy weights |
Yes, it has more to do with diet and cardio, but unless he's aiming for muscle endurance, he's wasting his time. Over and out about this crap. I'm going to ignore this thread from now on because it's dumb. I feel like when I tell people at the gym that they have bad form and they insist they're doing the right thing. Just do whatever. I'm going to stick to my private group for fitness with only people who know what's up. :P |
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trodgers Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| BB wrote: |
| halekulani wrote: |
| BB wrote: |
| Ok, I'll word it in another way. Doing more than 15 reps is way inefficient. Like it, this way? :D |
guy doesnt want to get big to begin with.
what is so hard to understand about that?
getting cut has more to do with diet than lifting heavy weights |
Yes, it has more to do with diet and cardio, but unless he's aiming for muscle endurance, he's wasting his time. Over and out about this crap. I'm going to ignore this thread from now on because it's dumb. I feel like when I tell people at the gym that they have bad form and they insist they're doing the right thing. Just do whatever. I'm going to stick to my private group for fitness with only people who know what's up. :P |
You're probably the most knowledgeable human being when it comes to fitness. Seriously. So you can run a half mile more quickly than I can. I can outbench, squat, and deadlift you. I can do more pullups, I can beat you in arm wrestling. What award do I get?
This is a great thread for giving advice and there have been no problems until now. I wonder if it's a problem with everyone else or with you. Hmm... _________________
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BB

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: |
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I thought your target wasn't getting stronger and deadlifts, squats and bench reflect strength. It's kind of funny you take pride in outbenching a 120lbs girl. :)
If your target is indeed strength, you're doing in an inefficient way. If it's speed or endurance, it means the 120lbs girl trained better than you regardless. |
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