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Tuco

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Pau needs to hit the gym |
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Pau need to hit the gym and Phil needs to use his other centers
Gasol has no core strength and add to that the extended minutes Phil has him on the floor is sapping what little strength and mobility he has in the post.
Play Mbenga and Mihm for five minutes a piece. They aren’t all-stars but give Pua a breather, the dude played 44 minutes last game. 44 minute for a guy who averages closer to 36 minute per game in the regular season. So what do you get, zero defensive rebounds because Pau is to fatigued to move his feet and box out his man. _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco."
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Lqv2015

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| The guy's skinny. It's too late to do anything about it now. He's not gonna bulk up 30lbs of muscle anytime soon. It bothers me too to a certain degree, but I'll have to accept it. |
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Tuco

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:28 am Post subject: |
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I’m not saying that he needs to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, but at least get some basic core strength.
As a coaching staff the Lakers have to re-evaluate how many minutes they keep him on the floor. He is playing seven more minutes per game vs. Utah but his numbers aren’t any better for it. In actually some of his stats are worse. Pau’s free throw shooting has gone down, rebounding is down, assists are up but his turnovers are as well.
Play Gasol 36 minutes you’ll get the same production as if you played him the whole game. Let Mihm and Mbenga on the floor for a couple minutes and keep Pau fresh, efficient, and if not strong then at least active. _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco." |
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Gramps Laker Fan Since 1970

Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 700 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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I agree. Below is what I said in another thread. It is not to late for Pau to bulk up a bit. It is never too late. However, if we had Bynum, his weakness wouldn't be exploited so much because he would not be down low as much.
I love Pau. But this series is showing his glaring weakness, lower body strength. He has a very difficult time posting low. Most of the time he is forced out way too far because he doesn't have the strength to establish himself down low.
You saw his hooks way off because he couldn't deal with the contact (part of the problem on his hooks is that he float too, instead of going straight up).
He is basically being pushed around at will. He is still a great asset to the team because of his length and passing ability. But other teams are learning from this and if the Lakers get by Utah, you better believe that the strategy from hear on out will be to push Pau around.
I hope he gets in the weight room 24-7 this off season. _________________ "Though my eyes could see, I still was was a blind man. Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man." -Kansas |
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SCOOTERP10
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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karacha

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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If he is our future 4, he doesn't need to bulk up that much, if at all. Simply because he won't be the one to bang in the post and fight for rebounds. Now Bynum... that's a different story - he's a pure center.
Oh BTW - it's Pau - not Pua.  _________________
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Tuco

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| Gramps wrote: |
I hope he gets in the weight room 24-7 this off season. |
In all honesty I don’t think a leopard is going to change his spots. But the staff needs to cut back his minutes to keep him fresh. _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco." |
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7co7dy

Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 161 Location: in the gym working on my J
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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Pau is fine as a forward. we'll be fine when we get Bynum back. Phil really should try using MBenga at center now and then.. _________________ uhh, i'll write a signature when I think of something cool. |
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kop5789
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Pau seems to be doing fine to me. In fact, I thought Phil rested him too much in game 4 at the start of the 4th. This is the playoffs, you've gotta play these guys as much as you can, unless they are noticeably affected by fatigue, which I haven't seen. |
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SignPippenNow
Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 2265
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah the Lakers have stunk with Gasol. That putback last night late in the game was awful. The Lakers record with him is awful. Maybe Lakers will simply release him when Andrew the Great makes it back from knee injury, food poisoning and crying on the bench when Phil gets on him. |
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KareemTheGreat33

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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I agree, lets create another lumbering stiff instead of taking advantage of his existing mobility and finesse...There is just not enough slow strong big men in the league who can't run the break. We need him to be like Dampier...Lets change him so his skills and Bynum's would clash creating another Shaq-Campbell dilemma.
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Tuco

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| karacha wrote: |
If he is our future 4, he doesn't need to bulk up that much, if at all. Simply because he won't be the one to bang in the post and fight for rebounds. Now Bynum... that's a different story - he's a pure center.
Oh BTW - it's Pau - not Pua.  |
Thanks for catching that typo.
Your right Bynum is the longterm solution, but my immediate concern are these present playoffs. _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco." |
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nosebleedbum
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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I agree he needs to put on some lean mass. Say another 10 lbs. He's too flabby for his thin frame. Not a picture of pro athlete.
That being said, besides from improving physically, Pau's excellent basketball skills could improve by changing his normal center of gravity. Pau stands straight up too much. He needs to bend his knees and stick his butt into people. |
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7co7dy

Joined: 09 May 2008 Posts: 161 Location: in the gym working on my J
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| SignPippenNow wrote: |
| Yeah the Lakers have stunk with Gasol. That putback last night late in the game was awful. The Lakers record with him is awful. Maybe Lakers will simply release him when Andrew the Great makes it back from knee injury, food poisoning and crying on the bench when Phil gets on him. |
uhhh, okay? did you post in the wrong forum or something? _________________ uhh, i'll write a signature when I think of something cool. |
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JamrockLakaFan

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Pau is a PF so when Bynum comes back he will get back into that position and wont be abused as much with Bynum out there ....Bynum = strength Gasol - finesse _________________
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ElginTheGreat

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| karacha wrote: |
If he is our future 4, he doesn't need to bulk up that much, if at all. Simply because he won't be the one to bang in the post and fight for rebounds. Now Bynum... that's a different story - he's a pure center.
Oh BTW - it's Pau - not Pua.  |
That's a good point, but I still think he could stand to hit the weights a bit. It sucks watching smaller guys push him around and get rebounds all because Pau can't hold his position.
But, there are a couple of things to remember. I think his summer play for Spain has no doubt affected his gym time. He's simply not going to have to the time it takes to put on a lot of muscle over the summer.
But he will have time to add strength. The Lakers staff will no doubt work on his lower body strength as soon as they can. I would imagine they will give Pau some recommendations before he heads off to Spain. He will never be a banger, he just needs to get strong enough to hold his position. This is something I think he can accomplish even with the shortened summer.
The second thing to remember is this is his first summer working with the Lakers trainers and with guys like Kobe around. I have little doubt Pau will be more motivated over the summer. Also, we really don't know how good or bad his workouts were when he was with the Grizzlies. Now, we know he will have access to top notch trainers who can help him add strength without compromising the other aspects of his game. _________________
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Gramps Laker Fan Since 1970

Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 700 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Some of you guys really don't read posts. Others of you misrepresent what other posters say.
What's up with that?
Sarcasm isn't necessary. Pau is great. To say he doesn't need to get stronger is just stupid. So stop it. No one says he should bulk up and be a lumbering stiff. Strength is important in this game. If you didn't see Pau fold and crumble at least 6 times in last nights game, you weren't watching.
Pau is great and no doubt that when Bynum gets back his lack of strength won't hurt the team as much.
Argue all you want, but stop being dicks. _________________ "Though my eyes could see, I still was was a blind man. Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man." -Kansas |
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Satan

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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This was mentioned so many times by people over at my house last night, it became the recurring theme. I even got a couple phone calls about it during the game. _________________
Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids, Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids - System of a Down, Prison Song
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pandg
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Satan wrote: |
| This was mentioned so many times by people over at my house last night, it became the recurring theme. I even got a couple phone calls about it during the game. |
same here... it was almost like seeing odom during his passive lay-up only days... |
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Tuco

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| kop5789 wrote: |
| Pau seems to be doing fine to me. In fact, I thought Phil rested him too much in game 4 at the start of the 4th. This is the playoffs, you've gotta play these guys as much as you can, unless they are noticeably affected by fatigue, which I haven't seen. |
To me he has looked noticeably fatigued. Once he hits the 38 minute mark in the game you can see that his work rate off the ball slows.
In the regular season he would play the full first and third quarters of each game and sit the first six minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters. That was his normal substitution pattern even in Memphis. Now I have noticed that with the extended minutes that Phil is giving him that he is pacing himself. His lack of increased production is showing this.
If you get the same numbers from him whether you play him 36 minutes or 42 minutes why not put someone else in and center for those additional six minutes that can grab some boards and make a few hustle plays? _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco." |
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hitokiriheero
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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i think gasol is still a little gimpy on that ankle.
i think the injury affected his abilities somewhat |
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The Original 81

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| Tuco wrote: |
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If he is our future 4, he doesn't need to bulk up that much, if at all. Simply because he won't be the one to bang in the post and fight for rebounds. Now Bynum... that's a different story - he's a pure center.
Oh BTW - it's Pau - not Pua.  |
Thanks for catching that typo.
Your right Bynum is the longterm solution, but my immediate concern are these present playoffs. |
I agree that he should bulk up, but at this point there isn't much you can do. He can't bulk up that much in a couple of weeks. _________________ "Let me say one more thing about Kobe. He will be the best player in the history of the game. If he keeps doing what he's doing, there is no stopping him. He is that good." - Shaquille O'Neal in his autobiography, "Shaq Talks Back"
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netlordr23

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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He is not going to bulk up, Bynum is on the team for that.
He has been more than 6 years in the league, he won't get bulkier, he will improve his form with the lakers staff, but I dont think he is going to change a lot.
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dane99

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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strength training can improve his overall strength but not adding 30 or so pounds a muscle, look at Garnett he is still skinny but strong enough to hold is position out there. _________________
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Psychobroker

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Tuco wrote: |
I’m not saying that he needs to be Arnold Schwarzenegger, but at least get some basic core strength.
As a coaching staff the Lakers have to re-evaluate how many minutes they keep him on the floor. He is playing seven more minutes per game vs. Utah but his numbers aren’t any better for it. In actually some of his stats are worse. Pau’s free throw shooting has gone down, rebounding is down, assists are up but his turnovers are as well.
Play Gasol 36 minutes you’ll get the same production as if you played him the whole game. Let Mihm and Mbenga on the floor for a couple minutes and keep Pau fresh, efficient, and if not strong then at least active. |
Not gonna happen as long as he's playing year-round ball (NBA, Spain, and now the Olympics). _________________ "Better learn not to talk to me," Bryant said of Smith's jabbering. "You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."
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Radner
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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The most versatile players are the ones with the least muscle. _________________ "The best way to understand the future is to learn about the past." |
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Lakerjones
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| ElginTheGreat wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
If he is our future 4, he doesn't need to bulk up that much, if at all. Simply because he won't be the one to bang in the post and fight for rebounds. Now Bynum... that's a different story - he's a pure center.
Oh BTW - it's Pau - not Pua.  |
That's a good point, but I still think he could stand to hit the weights a bit. It sucks watching smaller guys push him around and get rebounds all because Pau can't hold his position.
But, there are a couple of things to remember. I think his summer play for Spain has no doubt affected his gym time. He's simply not going to have to the time it takes to put on a lot of muscle over the summer.
But he will have time to add strength. The Lakers staff will no doubt work on his lower body strength as soon as they can. I would imagine they will give Pau some recommendations before he heads off to Spain. He will never be a banger, he just needs to get strong enough to hold his position. This is something I think he can accomplish even with the shortened summer.
The second thing to remember is this is his first summer working with the Lakers trainers and with guys like Kobe around. I have little doubt Pau will be more motivated over the summer. Also, we really don't know how good or bad his workouts were when he was with the Grizzlies. Now, we know he will have access to top notch trainers who can help him add strength without compromising the other aspects of his game. |
I agree all the way. He just seems a bit out of shape and could use some strength training. I don't think he needs to bulk up necessary. Only if that comes as a natural result of strength gain. But I don't like seeing him getting pushed around as much as he has, whether he plays 4 or 5. I'd also like to see him improve his conditioning. He just does not seem to be nearly where he should be in overall fitness. I think it would help his game certainly. I'd also like to see him practicing that 10-15 foot jumper more. He's got it in his arsenal but it could improve. Last night he knocked them down. But he has been missing them a bit this series. |
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Satan

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| Radner wrote: |
| The most versatile players are the ones with the least muscle. |
Like Kobe? _________________
Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids, Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids - System of a Down, Prison Song
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EQualizer
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| Satan wrote: |
| Radner wrote: |
| The most versatile players are the ones with the least muscle. |
Like Kobe? |
I think most people are too quick to assume strength etc based on looking at a player. Just the way our society has become. But if you look at Kobe he doesn't look like the strongest guy, even Wade looks bigger than him, yet Kobe is a very strong player with very good body control. We see it all the time when he finishes 4 and 3 point plays.
But really, who is going to have the strength to withstand Boozer lowering his shoulder into you 3 times? Aside from Dwight Howard and Shaq, I don't really know. Everyone in the world can use more core strength. But aside from that, I'd rather have Gasol the way he is now than if he tried to bulk up and put more stress on his ankles and knees. Plus, Gasol has enough strength.
When Gasol gets beat it isn't really his strength, it seems like his footspeed is actually a little slow. He has never been that great of a rebounder cause he doesn't really move his feet for them. So it'd be a lot worse if he bulked up and got slower.
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Kenrae
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| The problem is, Gasol is already bulked up! His natural frame is extremely thin, just take a look at some pictures the year before going to the NBA. |
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