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Satan · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:09 am Post subject:

Apathetic is exactly how they want the public to feel.
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mapabu1 · Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 2600

Obama isn't in trouble he wasn't expected to win in Penn. They'll probably split the next primaries with Obama winning in NC while Clinton winning in Indiana

John3:16 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:

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John3:16 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject:

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Satan · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:

John3:16 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gates, Walton, Winfrey, etc are doing what you and I do. They're putting either money, support, voice behind what they believe in or what benefits them the most. I'm not sure we can get upset because there money and voice equals more influence. Our small money / influence has more of an impact then a homeless person (for example), yet it doesn't stop us.

When you say "they" it's as if they get together and have a meeting and decide to stick it to those not in attendance.
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Satan · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject:

John3:16 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:

Coville · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 6926

Satan do you think the government cares who has the money? The tax system implores them to only care about rich people, they're who pays the bulk of the taxes.

For the government to serve all people as equals, fix the tax system so the government doesn't favor people by how much they make. Income becomes irrelevant.

Look at it this way, what is going to be a bigger factor in decided policy.....taking care of the people who support the infastructure, or taking care of everyone?

Move to a national sales tax, the governments motivation to collect taxes is to improve the economy for all people.

Move to a flat tax (which is a bit extreme) the government treats everyone as equals.

But when you have a system that has a the top 5% paying the bulk of the taxes, in and large you end up with policy that supports that 5%.

Sorry to go off topic, just my input on the entire Wealth:Population ratio.

Satan · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject:

Satan · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject:

Coville, those who have more wealth pay more taxes in actual dollars but as a percentage of wealth the poor pay more.

A sales tax means even less of the ultra rich's wealth will be taxed.

The government is run by those folks so in a way, yes, it does care who has the money. The rich use government to advance their own interests.

If folks didn't have these obscene amount of wealth to begin with, there would be no inequality.

John, I did forget to mention that there are groups where "they" do get together to decide policy.

Check out the membership of the Council on Foreign Relations. Or Bilderberg Group members. The Trilateral Commission.

These and other organizations like them are made up of the movers and shakers in the world, from all different nations.
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BB · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 785 Location: Bucharest, Romania

The fact that arguably the worst candidate in Hillary is getting more votes than arguably the best candidate, in Ron Paul, shows that Americans deserve the way their country is right now. lol.

You should look at these things at a candidate:
1)War strategy. Even if it's not immediate retreat, he must have a sound plan of the retreat, based on a plan.
2)Economical relaxation policy. Less spending, less taxes. Both Obama and Hillary are a disaster at this. They'll tax you on the other end, but most people are too dumb to figure it out. Also, Obama wants a huge federal budget, which is stupid(=more taxes).
3)Foreign policy.

I think I posted before on this thread too. I really don't get how you can vote for a candidate that supports general health and yet she has over 1/3 of her campaign money from HMOS.

SOAD · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject:

BB · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 785 Location: Bucharest, Romania

Satan, this is something I don't agree with you. Why if I make 2 billion a year pay more than someone who makes 20 000$ a year, considering I get the same services from the government? Of course, to me having different percentages on different stages is dumb, exactly like someone who is uber rich would want everyone to pay the exact same money in a year because they get the same thing from the government anyways. To me, an unique tax is the way to go.

A better idea would be to make some law involving CSR and in that way companies would have to care about their shareholders more. And the money wouldn't be handled by the gov which would be great considering the gov is the worst manager.

Satan · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject:

BB · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 785 Location: Bucharest, Romania

Satan, it's all about free market. Huge wage gaps should create competition and drive. I worked as a waitress for 200$ a month. Now I make 1000 times that amount in an year and I'm just 20. I think I did a good job for myself. Of course, I worked through high-school and college. Most people can't do that. A free market rewards those who deserve it.

John3:16 · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject:

Satan · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject:

John3:16 · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject:

Satan · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

John3:16 · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:20 pm Post subject:

BB · Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 785 Location: Bucharest, Romania

Satan, I don't make 200 000$ out of modelling and I'll make a lot of money after modelling is over too. Well, not everyone is born intelligent either so let's all act like retards because we're all just as worthy.

Life is unfair. I worked since I was 15 because my parents didn't afford me so it was me working or my sisters college. My bf had a similar background and he's not a model and he makes more money than me. lol. I didn't drop out of high-school, but worked full hour shifts after high-school. I'm not sure how many people on this board did this, but doing this for 200$ a month as a kid, it's really hard. I was falling asleep in the first classes in the morning.

And I don't get why you should be at the top of the pyramid or have a shot at being there. I mean, yes, we rely on what our parents and so on did. The field is always skewed in the favor of someone. If I'd be rich, I'd just get an off-shore company and not pay taxes at all. Why would I anyways? It's not like it's worth it.

And to be honest, I wouldn't want a retirement fund. I'd just save money while I work. I don't see why I'd protect those who are irresponsible and wouldn't save. I do agree that the sick should be helped, but an unique percentage tax is enough for that. And it's enough to help the elderly too. And I might be insensitive, but I don't care about most of the people. I know that no matter what happens, I'll get into my 40s with enough money to never work again, from modeling or something else. But that involves taking risks, that most people wouldn't take. Risks have rewards. Being a pathetic employee all your life doesn't. Basically, you pay by never achieving for economical safety.

Satan · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: