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Satan
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^^^ Well, the religious right was treated like crap by the current administration. They politicians get them all riled up about gays and muslims, get their votes and then ignore them until the next time they need money.
If religious folks really believe in the things they say they believe in like loving neighbors, being charitable, etc. they certainly shouldn't be looking to the republican political party.
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OMG The Mitchell
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This is random, but...
on my psych of human sexuality final today, the last question asked which presidential candidate supports a ban on partial birth abortions?
a) obama
b) mccain
c) both
d) neither
I missed the last 4-5 weeks of class ( i didnt feel like going)...so does anyone know the answer to that? |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| In a recent national poll, according to reports, Obama was picked by the American public at 51% over Mccain's 34%. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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^^ Not sure how accurate that is. Anyway, I think the more important polls are the electoral college projections. Last I saw (on gallup maybe), Obama was ahead. Can't seem to find the link though.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah I agree, heard it mainly on KFI radio, & even Bill Handle (I think the guy who reported it) was surprised since the last several times they had done it, Obama was always up by around 4-5%, not this much. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Satan wrote: |
| If atheist folks really believe in the things they say they believe in like gay rights, legalizing drugs, killing unborn babies and all jews, they certainly shouldn't be looking to the democratic political party. |
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how absurd. Can you beg the question anymore than that?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| dodgers33089 wrote: |
| John3:16 wrote: |
| Satan wrote: |
| If atheist folks really believe in the things they say they believe in like gay rights, legalizing drugs, killing unborn babies and all jews, they certainly shouldn't be looking to the democratic political party. |
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how absurd. Can you beg the question anymore than that? |
Lol... I thought it was pretty funny, and I'm no fan of the Republican Party.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| John3:16 wrote: |
| Satan wrote: |
| If atheist folks really believe in the things they say they believe in like gay rights, legalizing drugs, killing unborn babies and all jews, they certainly shouldn't be looking to the democratic political party. |
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Lol wow how insightful. 
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| John3:16 wrote: |
| Satan wrote: |
| If atheist folks really believe in the things they say they believe in like gay rights, legalizing drugs, killing unborn babies and all jews, they certainly shouldn't be looking to the democratic political party. |
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Lol wow how insightful. |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Surprised there hasn't been any responses from neither John or Satan still.. |
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Satan
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It was a joke that wasn't funny. If it wasn't a joke, it doesn't make sense. Not really deserving of a response...
I think John is attacking the democratic party and if so, what do I care? I'm not a democrat and I see very little difference between then and republicans.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Bold Prediction: Obama will win. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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It was a joke that wasn't funny. If it wasn't a joke, it doesn't make sense. Not really deserving of a response...
I think John is attacking the democratic party and if so, what do I care? I'm not a democrat and I see very little difference between then and republicans. |
are you not gonna vote then Satan?
I'd give up my right to vote in Canada's next election for a vote in the obama mccain election.
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Don't know who to vote.I'm a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| are you not gonna vote then Satan? |
Not for a mainstream candidate.
I'll probably write in Ron Paul or go for Cynthia McKinney. Leaning more towards the latter lately. Doesn't matter much, California will go to the Democrats regardless. Maybe I can work out a deal with someone in a swing state and get them to vote for one of my candidates.
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| Don't know who to vote.I'm a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. |
Sounds like Ron Paul is your man! There isn't a candidate who is more fiscally conservative and he believes most social issues are not the business of the government.
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McKinney is very popular in Georgia, she might give Obama some trouble there.
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Satan
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McKinney is popular somewhere????  |
She was repeatedly elected there. She's had roads named after her. Her father was also a popular figure in the area.
She nearly won her first election without ever campaigning when her father put her on the ballot while she was living in Jamaica.
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| Satan, who do you like better though & why? Obama or Mccain? |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Satan, who do you like better though & why? Obama or Mccain? |
And don't tell us Mr Ron Paul.  |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Bold Prediction: Obama will win. |
In a near landslide.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Still waiting on your responses Satan as well as our buddy netlord from Spain.  |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Still waiting on your responses Satan as well as our buddy netlord from Spain. |
Yep
I would have to guess Obama, more than Mccain, but it's just a guess, could be wrong... |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ Based on what I've heard from him in the past, he seems to be slightly more in favor of Obama, so I'd agree with you & guess that as well. Still wanna' hear from him though. |
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| Satan, who do you like better though & why? Obama or Mccain? |
I don't like either one at all.
If I had a gun to my head and had to choose, I would go with Obama.
McCain scares me. He's old and senile. Does anyone listen to the guy speak? He's messing up all the time. Just today he referred to Czechoslovakia, a nation that hasn't existed for like 13 years, as if it were still around.
There is also the question of the psychological impact that years or torture and captivity left on him. I don't think people just get passed that sort of thing.
He has a history of violence and short temper. Not the kind of person I want with his finger on the trigger of a nuclear arsenal.
I don't think a guy who says things like "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." is a sane choice for president. He said that years ago and still has not apologized. I hope every Asian that is voting is aware of that and takes it into consideration. This man views you as his enemy.
There is also the question of his loyalty. A lot of evidence seems to indicate that McCain was collaborating with the enemy while he was a pow. For someone who makes such a big deal about his service to the country, spilling secrets to the enemy is an important issue.
Then of course is the question of his effectiveness.
The guy knows nothing about economy and shows little interest.
He's changed his positions on so many subjecys recently. McCain used to be a maverick, his own man. Now he just seems like GB v 2.0.
Sorry but being shot down and held captive doesn't qualify you for being president.
As far as Obama goes, I have a sliver of hope that he is just playing the game to get in power and then will flip the script. Otherwise, his presidency will look very similar to McCains. It's a slim hope though, I believe that Obama is just a political machine. He doesn't really care about any position, he just will say and do whatever it takes to get elected.
I don't know why folks are so certain Obama will win. Depending on the polls you look at, the race isn't as far apart as many think. It also comes down to electoral college votes, not a majority. There is a long time left.
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| Satan, who do you like better though & why? Obama or Mccain? |
I don't like either one at all.
If I had a gun to my head and had to choose, I would go with Obama.
McCain scares me. He's old and senile. Does anyone listen to the guy speak? He's messing up all the time. Just today he referred to Czechoslovakia, a nation that hasn't existed for like 13 years, as if it were still around.
There is also the question of the psychological impact that years or torture and captivity left on him. I don't think people just get passed that sort of thing.
He has a history of violence and short temper. Not the kind of person I want with his finger on the trigger of a nuclear arsenal.
I don't think a guy who says things like "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." is a sane choice for president. He said that years ago and still has not apologized. I hope every Asian that is voting is aware of that and takes it into consideration. This man views you as his enemy.
There is also the question of his loyalty. A lot of evidence seems to indicate that McCain was collaborating with the enemy while he was a pow. For someone who makes such a big deal about his service to the country, spilling secrets to the enemy is an important issue.
Then of course is the question of his effectiveness.
The guy knows nothing about economy and shows little interest.
He's changed his positions on so many subjecys recently. McCain used to be a maverick, his own man. Now he just seems like GB v 2.0.
Sorry but being shot down and held captive doesn't qualify you for being president.
As far as Obama goes, I have a sliver of hope that he is just playing the game to get in power and then will flip the script. Otherwise, his presidency will look very similar to McCains. It's a slim hope though, I believe that Obama is just a political machine. He doesn't really care about any position, he just will say and do whatever it takes to get elected.
I don't know why folks are so certain Obama will win. Depending on the polls you look at, the race isn't as far apart as many think. It also comes down to electoral college votes, not a majority. There is a long time left. |
I have to say, I have been reading and watching about Ron Paul on the internet (before I joined the board I didn't even know him) and I have to say he impressed me. It's a shame he is not a candidate, but I can imagine why the republicans wouldn't want him to be. It's really a shame. |
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Obama announces big June haul
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/17/obama/index.html
# Story Summary
# Obama campaign says it raised $52 million in June -- double that of McCain
# Obama putting lots of money into states that are Republican strongholds
# In all, McCain has outspent Obama on political television ads for general election
# Obama has opted out of public financing
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Barack Obama's campaign announced Thursday that it raised $52 million last month -- more than double the amount rival John McCain brought in, according to campaign officials for the presumed Democratic presidential nominee.
Sen. Barack Obama's campaign has $72 million available to spend, campaign officials say.
As the money comes in for Obama, his campaign is investing in states that have traditionally been Republican strongholds.
Obama's campaign now has $72 million cash on hand, meaning that's how much they currently have to spend, campaign officials said Thursday.
The average donation to Obama in June was $68, the officials said, bringing the monthly total to more than twice the $22 million raised in May.
At that time, the Illinois senator was locked in a fierce primary battle with Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, and Obama was spending more time campaigning for votes and delegates than simply fundraising.
With the conclusion of the primaries in early June and Clinton's suspension of her campaign just days later, Obama's campaign cash numbers had been expected to rise in June.
McCain's campaign raised $22 million in June, its best month yet. The campaign said that combined with the Republican National Committee, it has about $95 million cash on hand.
In a fundraising e-mail to supporters, Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe acknowledged the deficit, saying "McCain and the RNC together still have a huge cash advantage, and we need your help to close the gap."
But when Obama's funds are combined with the Democratic National Committee's funds, he has $92 million, meaning he's about on par with McCain.
Obama has been making robust buys in a handful of "red states."
Obama has spent $60,000 in Alaska; $3.5 million in Florida; $1.3 million in Georgia; $1 million in Indiana; $100,000 in Montana; $1 million in North Carolina; and $1.8 million in Virginia, according to a new analysis by TNS/Campaign Media Analysis Group, CNN's political television advertising consultant.
"Obama's targeting of these red states is unprecedented," said Evan Tracey, chief operating officer of CMAG. "He is clearly looking to expand the playing field."
In all, McCain has outspent Obama $23 million to $19 million on political television advertising when you look at these figures through the lens of the general election.
McCain, however, has had a head start: CMAG's point of reference for McCain's general election buys is mid-May, and the RNC accounts for $3 million of the McCain total.
Both candidates are also targeting the traditional battlegrounds where Democrats and Republicans take their political war every four years: Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Missouri.
Here's a state-by-state breakdown of campaign television spending in battleground states:
Michigan: McCain, $2.6 million to Obama's $1.6 million; Ohio: McCain, $3.2 million to Obama's $1.7 million; Pennsylvania: McCain, $4.2 million to Obama's $2.7 million. Additionally, McCain has dropped $1.5 million into Missouri and another $1.9 million on national cable.
Obama is expected to have a greater financial advantage over McCain in the closing months after the presumptive Democratic nominee announced that he would forgo public financing.
Obama will receive no federal money but is free to raise and spend as much as he can. If he continues to raise large amounts, he could have an advantage over McCain when it comes to campaign cash in the crucial months of September and October.
If Obama's red state ad spending is successful over the summer, this could enhance his standing heading into the post-convention period, when McCain will be limited to $85 million.
Conversely, if McCain is able to beat back Obama's efforts in red states over the next two months, the advantage Obama has in purchasing airtime will be diminished.
Money, of course, is not the only factor in the campaign, but it does pay for advertisements on television, radio and the Internet and in print, as well as expensive get-out-the-vote efforts in crucial battleground states. |
What Obama Should Do in Baghdad
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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^^^ If you count funds that the parties raise, McCain actually has more money on his side.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| And I don't see how one is racist if she doesn't vote for Obama. Blacks are racist because they vote for Obama? |
Care to elaborate more? |
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