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netlordr23

Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Alicante (Spain)
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Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| And I don't see how one is racist if she doesn't vote for Obama. Blacks are racist because they vote for Obama? |
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Ese es un buen truco. xD |
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TalkieWalkie

Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 2807 Location: SoCal (avy by Trixx of realgm)
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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The President of the United States in 2008 will undoubtedly be George W. Bush....
He holds office until the next president is sworn in in January....
Sorry to burst yall's bubble..but the thread title says "President of the United States 2008" _________________ ..LEAD BY EXAMPLE...do a good deed today. |
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TalkieWalkie wrote: |
| Sorry to burst yall's bubble..but the thread title says "President of the United States 2008" |
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Barnstable

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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| And I don't see how one is racist if she doesn't vote for Obama. Blacks are racist because they vote for Obama? |
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Naw.... don't bother. _________________ Sweet Daddy Barnstable's Bad A** Broads:
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Poll: Obama's Latino support rises
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/24/pew.latino.poll/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
# Story Summary
# Pew Hispanic Center poll taken from June 9-July 13 of Latino voters
# Poll shows an overwhelming majority support Barack Obama over John McCain
# Obama "appears to be even more popular" with Latinos than Sen. Clinton, poll finds
# Issues like education, health care and jobs rank high amongst this voting bloc
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A new poll released Thursday shows overwhelming support from Latinos for Sen. Barack Obama over Sen. John McCain.
A new poll out Thursday shows strong support for Sen. Barack Obama among Latinos.
Obama's approval rating with registered Latino voters, the nationwide Pew Hispanic Center poll found, is at 66 percent versus 23 percent favoring McCain.
Obama's "strong showing in this survey represents a sharp reversal in his fortunes from the primaries, when Obama lost the Latino vote to Hillary Clinton by a margin of nearly 2-to-1," according to Pew Hispanic Center associate director Mark Hugo Lopez.
Obama's favorability among Latinos is slightly up from a Gallup Poll summary of surveys taken in May, which showed Obama with 62 percent of Latino voters nationwide, compared with 29 percent for McCain.
"He now appears to be even more popular than Hillary Clinton among Latinos," Lopez said.
Pew Hispanic Center's deputy director, Susan Minushkin, added that Obama is "enjoying broad-based support among Hispanics who don't see great differences by age, by gender, by education, by income."
In comparison, a CNN "poll of polls" from July 16, shows Obama holding a 6-point lead over McCain among general registered voters.
It shows Obama at 47 percent and McCain at 41 percent; about 12 percent said they are undecided.
The poll of polls includes surveys from Gallup, CBS/NY Times, ABC/Washington Post, Quinnipiac, and Newsweek.
The survey also shows more than three quarters of Latinos who said they voted for Clinton in the primaries, now indicate they are likely to vote for Obama in the general election.
On Super Tuesday, Obama received only 38 percent of the Latino vote, while former rival Sen. Clinton received 58 percent, according to CNN exit polling.
Only 8 percent said they are likely to vote for the presumptive GOP presidential candidate. Read the full poll (pdf)
"This means that Obama is doing better among Hispanic Clinton supporters than he is among non-Hispanic white Clinton supporters, 70 percent of whom now say they have transferred their allegiance to Obama while 18 percent say they plan to vote for McCain," Lopez said, referring to a recent Pew Research Center for the People and the Press survey.
CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said past voting history among Hispanics has favored Democrats.
"Since 1972, Democratic candidates for president have, on average, won 64 percent of the Hispanic vote. So a 66 percent mark for Obama is pretty much what you would expect a Democratic candidate to get from Latinos," he said.
The poll, taken June 9-July 13, also examined the effect of race in the 2008 election.
By a margin of about 3-to-1 respondents said Obama's race would help him as opposed to hurt him with Latino voters. Fifty-three percent said his race wouldn't be a big factor in their support.
By a margin of 2-to-1 respondents said McCain's race will hurt rather than help his chances. Fifty-eight percent said McCain's race will "make no difference."
The survey shows kitchen table issues like education, jobs and health care weigh heavy on Latino voters.
Ninety-three percent of those surveyed said education was the top issue, followed by jobs, 91 percent, and health care, 90 percent.
"By a margin of 3-to-1, Hispanic registered voters believe that Obama will do a better job than McCain of dealing with education, jobs ... health care," Lopez said.
In comparison, a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. Poll taken June 26-29 of registered voters ranked election issues:
# Economy: 58 percent
# Iraq: 50 percent
# Gas prices: 48 percent
# Health care: 47 percent
# Education: 44 percent
# Immigration: 34 percent
The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Obama and McCain have spent much of their campaigns appealing to Latino voters -- appearing at several Latino conferences and through outreach appeals.
Obama supported President Bush-backed immigration legislation, which would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants.
The Illinois senator also voted to authorize construction of a 700-mile fence along the U.S.-Mexican border.
McCain has been popular among Hispanics as one of the original authors of what's known as the comprehensive immigration bill in the Senate.
That legislation would have increased funding and improved border security technology, improved enforcement of existing laws, and provided a legal path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants.
McCain also voted to authorize construction of a U.S.-Mexican border fence.
Latinos are an important voting bloc to both Democrats and Republicans, representing 9 percent of the eligible electorate and 15 percent of the total U.S. population.
But it appears this year more Latino voters are energized by the historic election.
Seventy-eight percent of Latino registered voters say they are following the election "very or somewhat closely" this year -- up from 72 percent who said the same thing at "this stage of the 2004 campaign."
"These poll findings, coming on the heels of a spirited Obama-Clinton nomination fight that led to rises in the Latino share of the vote in many Democratic primaries, suggest the Hispanic community is politically energized heading into the fall election campaign," Lopez said.
In terms of the state of the country, 70 percent of Latino registered voters said the country is headed in the wrong direction. Fifty-five percent said the Democratic Party is "better attuned to the concerns of their community" compared to 5 percent for Republicans.
The Pew Hispanic Center telephone survey of 2015 Hispanics ages 18 and older -- 892 of whom said they were registered to vote -- had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points. |
Include me as part of that Latino support for Barack!
Obama uses Berlin symbolism to reunite old allies
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/24/obama.speech/index.html
# Story Summary
# NEW: Sen. Barack Obama sets out his vision for transatlantic cooperation
# NEW: Obama says world must face global challenges together
# Obama meets with Chancellor Angela Merkel
# Overseas trip intended to shore up Obama's foreign policy credentials
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Azndude2190

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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Not new news,but dang Obama is superb orator. _________________ "If this team wont step up, I WILL"- Sasha Vujacic |
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Aonex

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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Fine speech he just gave in Berlin. Loved this comment on the NY Times blog:
"Naysayers, sit down for a while and let your country enjoy one of it’s sons making it proud. Take today off with your cynicism and ill-will and let us be proud that America can and will be back on the world stage." _________________ WTB witty sig |
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Iceberg Slim

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:50 am Post subject: |
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You know, this guy Barack is making a seasoned "vet" (pun intended) look quite foolish and very immature. I'm watching the response of McCain and he sounds much like Hillary Clinton did only a month ago - bitter, antagonizing, and unfairly critical. They are accusing Barack of taking a global victory lap and speaking from a elite position...as if he is President already. Its hilarious to me how this rookie on the political scene, so to speak, is giving these veterans fits. For some odd reason, they cannot seem to galvanize a large network of people to support them the way Obama does...despite Obama's "inexperience" and every other negative connotation you may want to lend upon him. For me to watch these people squirm, is so...fascinating. _________________
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Aonex

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Pretty funny.
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Philliekb8
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I'm living in Berlin and although I could not personally attend that speech, I saw it on TV and I like the guy even more than I already did. There were 200.000 people and I have not seen a politician for a long time that is as able to give great speeches. Concerning McCain, Obama willingly did not speak in front of the Brandenburger gate (like Kennedy did) so as not to appear like he had won already, even though that was first proposed, said he just wanted to speak. Also, how do you attack him for not having international experience and then attack him for trying to gather some? Additionally, McCain said he would take care of America first? Maybe he has not yet understood that America can not stand alone in the war on terror as well as on any other global topic and that this is exactly the attitude, that Bush held up and that cost America big time all over the world. Man, it is hard to be politically correct when you think of the possibility of Bush 2.0 becoming president. Sad that we don't get to vote the US president in Berlin
It would be about unanimous I think. _________________ Kobe 4 MVP |
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addwuzhere

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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:59 am Post subject: |
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OBAMA!! _________________ NBA Quotes:
Alonzo, winning the DPOY:"I thank my teammates for letting their men blow by them."
Shaq:"I made a 1,600 minus 800 minus 200 on the SAT, so I'm very intelligent when I speak."
Chick Hearn:"The game's in the refrigerator. The door's closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard, and the Jell-O's jiggling." |
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John3:16

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And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.
The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.
When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”
In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.
And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.
He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the
Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.
And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.
From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.
And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.
And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.
From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.
In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.
As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.
And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.
The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.
And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.
Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.
And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.
Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.
But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.
And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.
Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.
On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.
And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”
Got this off Drudge Report and found it funny  _________________
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Try not to cry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyheJ480LYA or this one http://cjcphoto.com/can/ |
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Barnstable

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^I think I'm going to cry  _________________ Sweet Daddy Barnstable's Bad A** Broads:
(1)Beyonce (2) Jennifer Lopez- Era 2000 (3) Layla Kayleigh (4) K.D. Aubert (5) Stacy Dash (6) Tyra Banks- Era 1998 (7) Shakira (8) Rose McGowan (9) Dolicia Bryan (10) Alyssa Milano
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Satan

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| Philliekb8 wrote: |
| Concerning McCain, Obama willingly did not speak in front of the Brandenburger gate (like Kennedy did) so as not to appear like he had won already, even though that was first proposed, said he just wanted to speak. |
My understanding was that the gate was Obama's first choice but the German government would not allow him to speak there. _________________
Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids, Following the rights movements you clamped on with your iron fists, drugs became conveniently available for all the kids - System of a Down, Prison Song
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Triumph Jelani

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi4DEdUmA6A
Mr. T has decided to endorse Obama after whipping him into shape. _________________

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Iceberg Slim

Joined: 20 Oct 2004 Posts: 3292 Location: New York State of Mind
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Who's supporting McCain in this thread?
Have you seen the grime and the filth this man is displaying? This is disgusting and should measure way below his standards. John McCain is a great man. He's done much for this country and has been considered a maverick in the political scene for quite some time. But these ads of his campaign comparing Barack to Paris and Brittney, claming he pulled the race card, and all this other nonsense is simply disgusting. Its beneath him. At least it should be. I understand how politics works. But damn, this is the best way they can think of to knock the man off his presidential positioning? _________________
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Aonex

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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Who's supporting McCain in this thread?
Have you seen the grime and the filth this man is displaying? This is disgusting and should measure way below his standards. John McCain is a great man. He's done much for this country and has been considered a maverick in the political scene for quite some time. But these ads of his campaign comparing Barack to Paris and Brittney, claming he pulled the race card, and all this other nonsense is simply disgusting. Its beneath him. At least it should be. I understand how politics works. But damn, this is the best way they can think of to knock the man off his presidential positioning? |
To be honest, I can't think of anyone who actually supports McCain, it's more of the "I can't stand Barack.. he's fake" routine. _________________ WTB witty sig |
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Iceberg Slim

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Right. And I'm ok with that. But your spot on. I haven't seen a McCain bumper sticker this entire political season. That's crazy. In my mind, Barack is already the president. He's assumed that position in the minds of his foes from the early debates amongst the parties. Mitt Romney made that very clear to me in a Republican "roundtable" debate when he warned his party to very careful how they speak about Obama because America loves him so much. That it would it make them look very unfavorable in the eyes of the general public.
Last week, McCain spoke of Barack taking an premature victory lap overseas. Might have been a little foreshadowing for the very near future of his opponent. _________________
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Triumph Jelani

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Considering Barack 's positions on the Majority of these issues, I don't see how anyone would vote for him or the framework that's likely to be in his cabinet. Let's say there's a happy medium where he asks Condi Rice to return to her post & taps into Colin Powell's experience. His energy & economic positions seems to be stuck on stupid. If there's a positive of having Hillary as his running mate, it would be that Bill can run the country through pillow talk when Barack falters.
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Barnstable

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| Triumph Jelani wrote: |
| Considering Barack 's positions on the Majority of these issues, I don't see how anyone would vote for him or the framework that's likely to be in his cabinet. |
We can vote for him because we think he is either right or much better than McCain on those issues.
How can anybody vote for McCain after seeing what the worst president in the history of the US has done to this country and know McCain has supported and still supports most of his ideals? _________________ Sweet Daddy Barnstable's Bad A** Broads:
(1)Beyonce (2) Jennifer Lopez- Era 2000 (3) Layla Kayleigh (4) K.D. Aubert (5) Stacy Dash (6) Tyra Banks- Era 1998 (7) Shakira (8) Rose McGowan (9) Dolicia Bryan (10) Alyssa Milano
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BizMinded24

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^^^Obama was against adding more troops in Iraq last year. Since the addition of troops, we are actually WINNING the war. Does the media report this? Of course not. When recently asked if he would have changed his stance, he still said he would have voted against adding more troops. How can I vote for some one like this?
Also, say good bye to small businesses in California if Obama is elected.  _________________ Only Lazy People Mistake Dedication for Obsession |
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nicehair911 Still Waiting For Ron

Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 10081 Location: Wit so much drama in da LBC it's kinda hard bein Snoop D-O double G
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^^^Obama was against adding more troops in Iraq last year. Since the addition of troops, we are actually WINNING the war. Does the media report this? Of course not. When recently asked if he would have changed his stance, he still said he would have voted against adding more troops. How can I vote for some one like this?
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How are we winning the war better than were were last year before more troops were added? Can you explain that?
And how is Obama the end of small businesses? _________________
"Michael Jordan once said that there's a right way and wrong way to practice basketball. He said that it doesn't matter if you practice eight hours a day-if you're practicing the wrong way, all you're doing is getting really good at doing the wrong things"
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Barnstable

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^^^Obama was against adding more troops in Iraq last year. Since the addition of troops, we are actually WINNING the war. Does the media report this? Of course not. When recently asked if he would have changed his stance, he still said he would have voted against adding more troops. How can I vote for some one like this? |
Yeah, how could you vote for someone who was against getting in this mess in the first place. Finaly making some headway after years and years, thousands of deaths and billions of debt would have been a much better demonstration of judgement than being against the war in the first place:bang:
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| Also, say good bye to small businesses in California if Obama is elected. |
Could you explain this so I can shoot it down?
J/K _________________ Sweet Daddy Barnstable's Bad A** Broads:
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slimjim

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don't worry about waiting for his argument, it could take awhile, let's just shoot it down. (pulled directly from Obama's website)
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Support Small Business
* Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.
* Create a National Network of Public-Private Business Incubators: Barack Obama will support entrepreneurship and spur job growth by creating a national network of public-private business incubators. Business incubators facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies. Obama will invest $250 million per year to increase the number and size of incubators in disadvantaged communities throughout the country.
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I really like the 2nd part of his economic plan to help small businsses.... pulling a page from Magic's playbook.
support investment in disadvantaged communities, giving them job security and economic growth... and hopefully in the long run, a better standard of living.
it is already a proven blueprint of success, just look at magic's portfolio. _________________
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John3:16

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BizMinded24

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How are we winning the war better than were were last year before more troops were added? Can you explain that?
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Well we are winning the war "better" because violence is significantly down. In fact, violence levels have not been this low in a few years. This happened because the addition of troops (making it easier to secure areas) _________________ Only Lazy People Mistake Dedication for Obsession |
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John3:16

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How are we winning the war better than were were last year before more troops were added? Can you explain that?
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Well we are winning the war "better" because violence is significantly down. In fact, violence levels have not been this low in a few years. This happened because the addition of troops (making it easier to secure areas) |
You're half right. The main reason is the jamming software we use now to negate the use of cell phones and remote controls to set off hidden bombs. _________________
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BizMinded24

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| Barnstable wrote: |
Yeah, how could you vote for someone who was against getting in this mess in the first place. Finaly making some headway after years and years, thousands of deaths and billions of debt would have been a much better demonstration of judgement than being against the war in the first place:bang: |
What does him being against the war in the first place have to do with what I said? Whether you were against it or not, why would you not want the US to win the war?
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| Also, say good bye to small businesses in California if Obama is elected. |
Could you explain this so I can shoot it down?
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Obama will hurt small businesses because he wants to raise general taxes as well as corporate taxes. Raising taxes will always hurt small business owners the most because their overhead costs will increase which means less employees (less jobs) and lower profits. It hurts small business the most because these businesses are not making millions of dollars like big businesses are.
Now onto corporate taxes. Notice on his website he does not talk about corporate taxes...how convenient. California is already one of the LEAST business friendly state, main reason is corporate taxes. This is why the state has been losing so much business to states like Arizona and Nevada. I know from personal experience. Even though I do not live in Nevada, that is where I decided to incorporate due to the HUGE tax relief that I would not be getting if i incorporated here in California. Obama wants to raise corporate taxes, NOT good for business. _________________ Only Lazy People Mistake Dedication for Obsession |
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