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Kobe2clutch
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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LOL, Abomb is freaking 20 man. Your healing tissues heals its fastest when your 20!! How is it even acceptable when doctors say around 8 weeks to maybe 12 weeks to how about 6 months? This ain't the lotto. IF doctors can get away with such inconsistency, I could of been a doctor myself. Anybody can easily make a number up, and if he's not healed, i'll make another number up.
From my doctor friend, "everybody knows the techniques, its the accurate judgments to separate a good doc from a bad doc". |
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ZenMaster4President

Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Posts: 3390
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sad thing is that after he is out for this season and rehabbing during the off-season it will all of a sudden require micro-fracture surgery and he will be out for another 1.5 years. AWESOME.
Now we really NEED to trade Kobe and gear for a run in 2010/2011.  _________________ Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see and you'll be alright.
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NWLakerfan

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 577 Location: Socal native (Riverside), now the Seattle area...
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| emplay wrote: |
the lakers said originally "at least eight weeks" - that's why right now they're saying "indefinitely" because that's an accurate statement.
the doctor's give their best estimate - the Lakers roll it out - and people assume it's law - when it's just a doctor looking at what he can glean - and making a guess.
everyone's body is unique - and heals at different rates - in addition the severity of injuries are varied - and in the knee specifically - hard to diagnose. |
Thank you, thank you, thank you.. People are taking that "at least eight weeks" as the be-all, end-all gospel or something.. I can't even stomach going into the other threads calling for Vitti's head because Andrew and Trevor have taken awhile to come back.. Trevor broke a freakin bone in his foot, and Andrew F'd up his knee pretty damn good, and you are right, it is a complicated part of your body, esp for an athlete..
Whatever, look, I'm not some kool-aid drinker that's gonna believe everything that comes outta John Black or even Phil's piehole, but for people to jump on the Suns medical staff's collective jock because Shaq obviously dogged it in Miami and made a "miracle" recovery when he went to a PHX is a freakin joke.. Sh.. happens, injuries happen, and I STILL think we got a chance at the title, even without Bynum in there. Obviously he would help, but he ain't here and we as fans can't do a damn thing about it but root for our team and NOT just give up before the playoffs are even set and we haven't played a single postseason game yet..
My name AIN'T Chicken Little, and I'm gonna go ahead and root my damn team, no matter who's on the roster, who's coaching, who's giving our guy's treatment in the locker room.. _________________
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last stand
Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 1099
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| emplay wrote: |
the lakers said originally "at least eight weeks" - that's why right now they're saying "indefinitely" because that's an accurate statement.
the doctor's give their best estimate - the Lakers roll it out - and people assume it's law - when it's just a doctor looking at what he can glean - and making a guess.
everyone's body is unique - and heals at different rates - in addition the severity of injuries are varied - and in the knee specifically - hard to diagnose. |
Thank you, thank you, thank you.. People are taking that "at least eight weeks" as the be-all, end-all gospel or something.. I can't even stomach going into the other threads calling for Vitti's head because Andrew and Trevor have taken awhile to come back.. Trevor broke a freakin bone in his foot, and Andrew F'd up his knee pretty damn good, and you are right, it is a complicated part of your body, esp for an athlete..
Whatever, look, I'm not some kool-aid drinker that's gonna believe everything that comes outta John Black or even Phil's piehole, but for people to jump on the Suns medical staff's collective jock because Shaq obviously dogged it in Miami and made a "miracle" recovery when he went to a PHX is a freakin joke.. Sh.. happens, injuries happen, and I STILL think we got a chance at the title, even without Bynum in there. Obviously he would help, but he ain't here and we as fans can't do a damn thing about it but root for our team and NOT just give up before the playoffs are even set and we haven't played a single postseason game yet..
My name AIN'T Chicken Little, and I'm gonna go ahead and root my damn team, no matter who's on the roster, who's coaching, who's giving our guy's treatment in the locker room.. |
what a trooper |
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Perfect Makes Practice

Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 234
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sad thing is that after he is out for this season and rehabbing during the off-season it will all of a sudden require micro-fracture surgery and he will be out for another 1.5 years. AWESOME.
Now we really NEED to trade Kobe and gear for a run in 2010/2011.  |
oh man, please don't say that
It's already bad enough. |
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Ed Guru

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Posts: 538 Location: Unofficial New Zeaaland Rep
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the news Eric - wish it was better!
If rehab was pushing 'Drew back I could understand most of the anger - but this is about healing and that's his body alone so we can't do anything but wait. Better we lose 'Drew until next year than bring him back and drive him to surgery that takes closer to two seasons to come back from.
Oh well, let's win our last few games and get into the playoffs with momentum.. _________________ ..with the sharpness.. |
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diehard
Joined: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 687 Location: In the Paint
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Okay, here is my take. The team would be swamped with paparazzi style reporting if they came out and said he is going to play on Sunday. Therefore, keep everyone off of the trail and send out this six weeks crap. That way Andrew and the rest of the team will be able to go through a normal game routine. We'll see Bynum coming off of the bench on Sunday and then the fun (circus) will commence.
Man I hope I'm right  _________________ "Be true to yourself and you will never fall." |
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V.V.V.V.V.
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 196 Location: Hollywood
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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Too much Bynum babying going on....
You can play on a bone bruise, it just hurts. Our medical staff is to blame, since they're responsible for freaking him out over his knee, when the reality is that he can play on it, it will just hurt for a while. Play him in limited minutes until he feels confident again. There's no structural damage to his knee, so at this point it's a phantom injury.
We might lose in the first round without him, and if not then the second round is the end. That's my doom and gloom prognosis.... _________________ Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici |
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Nihar_24
Joined: 31 Mar 2008 Posts: 100
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ZenMaster4President wrote: |
Sad thing is that after he is out for this season and rehabbing during the off-season it will all of a sudden require micro-fracture surgery and he will be out for another 1.5 years. AWESOME.
Now we really NEED to trade Kobe and gear for a run in 2010/2011.  |
trading kobe would be the stupidest thing ever |
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SignPippenNow
Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| so Andrew the Great is out much longer than anticipated and the rest of the Lakers suck so simply trade Kobe and wait for the Great One to return. What an ignorant statement. Maybe when he returns Andrew can coach the team and play 1 on 5. How about supporting the players who will be out there and who are 2 games out of first place playing much of the season without Andrew the Great? |
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A Nitty

Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Posts: 33 Location: So-Cal
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think Mitch has secretly convinced Buss to hold Bynum out so that the Lakers would lose another 1st round series.
That way we can end up with the 20-something pick in the draft and Mitch can draft our savior Darren Collison
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SignPippenNow
Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lakers don't own the 20-something pick. Their first round pick went to Memphis in Gasol trade |
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A Nitty

Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Posts: 33 Location: So-Cal
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't being serious dude...
Trying to lighten things up around here, I don't think this is the end of the world _________________ .:THE GREATEST:. |
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The Maverick Australia's Lakers Rep

Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 7171
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| ZenMaster4President wrote: |
| Sad thing is that after he is out for this season and rehabbing during the off-season it will all of a sudden require micro-fracture surgery and he will be out for another 1.5 years. AWESOME. |
That's what I've been thinking. _________________
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PowerGriz

Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 181
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
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tbs
Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 111
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with Emplay. Quit blaming the messengers. Andrew had a devastating injury and it was going to take a minimum of 8 weeks to even see where he was at, due to the intense swelling. Now Andrew just needs to take it easy until the swelling gets fully out of the knee, for however long that takes.
In one sense, without the uncertainty, the Lakers can all just let out the stops, gear up for another level of extreme intensity and get ready to smash people in the mouth during the playoffs. They can get through the playoffs without Bynum if everyone else toughens up.
I think Gasol, for one, has a toughness that some people haven't seen yet, while he's been blending in to be a good teammate.
Phil Jackson and the staff are the best in the league at preparing for individual playoff opponents. |
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emplay Clublakers Analyst
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AvenLarue
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm with Emplay. Quit blaming the messengers. |
Shouldn't the same be applied to Ric Bucher? |
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gill

Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 12444 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting posts on your blog emplay, particularly with the part on how Bynum wanted to play ASAP. _________________ A legendary day (81 points) - Jan. 22, 2006 vs. Raptors.
And at the end of 3 quarters, the Mavs - 61, Kobe Bryant - 62 - Dec. 20, 2005
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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5503 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Come back Bynum
The Clippers are feasting on us inside _________________ MDI's Mamacitas
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2) Jessica Burciaga
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adub_beta

Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 293
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for giving us much info on this and the game blog Eric. When I first heard the Bynum news my reaction was just like most people, but the thought of could this be a smokescreen to make our opponents in the playoff think that we will be without AB to make them have different game plan and then catch them off guard later and put him in out of nowhere? Maybe I'm thinking too much into it but could this be a possibility? We all know the zen master likes to play mind games with everybody (his players, the opponent coach, the reporters etc.) and some of his tactics are quiet unorthodox. After I saw the 6 more weeks I felt like this is really serious but from what I read in your blog I feel like there is a slightly chance that this conspiracy theory could be true and I hope is it ... what is your thought on it?
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| According to Coach Phil Jackson, Bynum and his representatives were actually trying to hasten his return. It was the Laker staff who wanted to wait another week. At issue was persistent swelling since Bynum increased his basketball activity. |
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| Jackson did say that there was no question that if Bynum was healthy at any point in the postseason, he would not hesitate to use him. |
_________________ "It's the length of one day, one half, one shot clock. This number is my promise, to dominate every moment."
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emplay Clublakers Analyst
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| sorry - it's really simple - Bynum's knee has been swelling all week - so they have to back off |
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Weezy

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Well, you can forget all about a championship in the season of 2007-2008 IMHO. Hopefully we can make people fear the future in this year's post-season. |
Yup, sad but true. Our defense without him isn't good enough to win it all. So unless Kobe, Gasol and Odom step up like no one has anticipated and play some of the best ball anyone's ever seen it's not happening. Oh well, I'll be happy beating the Suns and getting out of the first round, at least that would bring me some revenge comfort. I definitely think we can still make the WCF and if played right the Finals, but I dont' think we can beat Boston or Detroit without Drew if we did get there. _________________ Weezy's Weemens
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stylerip
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully he'll be cleared for the 2009 playoffs. We'll need him. _________________ "People think that everyone pisses their pants when they realize Bynum is coming to town its after the game when they piss their pants." - KB+KG=DOMINATION |
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borri

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| emplay wrote: |
| sorry - it's really simple - Bynum's knee has been swelling all week - so they have to back off |
Ohe well. That means he's not completely healed yet. Running on the treadmill is one thing, playing one on one with Shaw, and Mihm and not have an adverse affect is another.
Clearly, the doctors monitored his progress. Bynum had passed every hurdle up until now.
Simply put, gentlemen, Bynum's knee isn't quite ready for the extra pounding with "mild" on court activity requiring lateral movement of the knee cap, bending and jumping.
Last we want to do is rush him back because if we do, we run the risk of this being a chronic injury......meaning his patella could completely dislocated the next time.
We don't want that to happen. Let's not make this a chronic issue. Bynum is our future and let's not jeopardize that for an opportunity of success today.
If we have to wait til next year, we'll wait. Think about this, when was the last time we can go into the offseason with such hope.................When Shaq arrived. |
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The Original 81

Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1338 Location: New York City
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:09 am Post subject: |
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So wait, Bynum is out for the playoffs? Or is it just he might not be ready?
I'm on my sidekick so I can't view Emplay's article. _________________ "Let me say one more thing about Kobe. He will be the best player in the history of the game. If he keeps doing what he's doing, there is no stopping him. He is that good." - Shaquille O'Neal in his autobiography, "Shaq Talks Back"
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scissors

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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thanks for the info. i can only hope bynum will surprise us by playing during the first round of playoffs. like how arenas did.
i still have faith in the 1 2 3 puch of bryant/gasol/odom |
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UKUGA

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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check my sig _________________ "The Lakers need more fans like you!"
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MC

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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| The Lakers can still win in the first 2 rounds without Bynum IMO. It will be that much more difficult but we still have a potent trio of Bryant, Gasol and Odom. I don't think to many teams are exited about a potential match up against us with those 3 alone as the core for a playoff series. Bynum will be needed for the WCF and Finals vs the likes of Boston and Detroit. those 2 teams are men among boys IMO and will take a complete healthy roster to overcome. |
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netlordr23

Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 593 Location: Alicante (Spain)
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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He is not going to come on the middle of the playoffs, and play straight away. IMO
He needs adjustment, and that is not going to come in training itself, and I dont think the playoffs is a good training ground... |
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