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Darn, im late for this discussion. Now there is too much to catch up on :(
so, i'm sorry os i repeat whats already said
Well, after watching this movie for the...10th time or so, I have come up with this solution....New EVERYTHING.
New actors, New director...just new. Tobey made an excellent Spidey for the 1st one...after that..no. You dont have to look at evil spidey to see tobey as a bad actor, but just watch the movie again. He just seems to lousy, too geeky. Spidey eventually becomes pretty cool, he doesnt stay a geek forever.
I feel like Spidey is frozen in time in character in these films
Raimi needs to go, I blame him for the Venom debacle and for letting the entire Parker-dance scenes to exist. So much for a "dark" film when you have Peter walking around dancing like a douche and stuff. Spidey had the full black suit on for what? 6 mins maybe? They should have had more evil spiderman..but NOOOOO they had black suit for 3 scenes (Discovers the suit and Black suit vs Sandman, Symbiote removal)
So, about Venom...He doesnt need much story, i just know he makes a cool battle scene...but even that they couldnt do right.
The solution would have been simple...Brock becomes venom, attacks spidey, end. It didnt need a whole lot of explaining. And the casting for venom was downright TERRIBLE. Personally...the worst of it's genre...ABSOLUTE worst casting job.
well thats i for now, i'd like to join your large discussion on this film 
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Darn, im late for this discussion. Now there is too much to catch up on :(
so, i'm sorry os i repeat whats already said
Well, after watching this movie for the...10th time or so, I have come up with this solution....New EVERYTHING.
New actors, New director...just new. Tobey made an excellent Spidey for the 1st one...after that..no. You dont have to look at evil spidey to see tobey as a bad actor, but just watch the movie again. He just seems to lousy, too geeky. Spidey eventually becomes pretty cool, he doesnt stay a geek forever.
I feel like Spidey is frozen in time in character in these films
Raimi needs to go, I blame him for the Venom debacle and for letting the entire Parker-dance scenes to exist. So much for a "dark" film when you have Peter walking around dancing like a douche and stuff. Spidey had the full black suit on for what? 6 mins maybe? They should have had more evil spiderman..but NOOOOO they had black suit for 3 scenes (Discovers the suit and Black suit vs Sandman, Symbiote removal)
So, about Venom...He doesnt need much story, i just know he makes a cool battle scene...but even that they couldnt do right.
The solution would have been simple...Brock becomes venom, attacks spidey, end. It didnt need a whole lot of explaining. And the casting for venom was downright TERRIBLE. Personally...the worst of it's genre...ABSOLUTE worst casting job.
well thats i for now, i'd like to join your large discussion on this film |
no GET OUTA HERE 
aha.. i agree.. and thats whats sad.. why does it need a REBOOT already???
cause they EFFED up 3.... BIG TIME 
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they could continue this series
connors still has the symbiote in his lab so we could get a venom 2 or carnage
but the thing that strikes me, they said they will return somoene from 3, a villain. Somebody here said it wasnt venom, so whats left? Sandman no doubt, Harry is dead.
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Harry ISNT dead... watch 
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| Harry ISNT dead... watch |
he gets resurrected by the power of the human performance enhancers to become Hob Goblin....
uhhh sure w/e 
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resurrected???
he never was dead.. whats a comic book ..let alone comic book movie. without a good SIKE! im not dead???
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resurrected???
he never was dead.. whats a comic book ..let alone comic book movie. without a good SIKE! im not dead??? |
ya that funeral at the end belonded to somebody else 
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resurrected???
he never was dead.. whats a comic book ..let alone comic book movie. without a good SIKE! im not dead??? |
ya that funeral at the end belonded to somebody else |
well it sure seemed like it beloNDED to him.. but you are not as most posters here dont... READING between the lines... sure everyone THOUGHT he was dead.. but he isnt...
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im getting used to a new keyboard...sheesh 
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awww i thought we was gonna be speakin Deucese
Harry Gobbler ..FTW!
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| Harry ISNT dead... watch |
It's too bad MJ didn't die. She was a b**** in the last one. GWEN FTW!!!!
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ok just saw 3 again...
man the sandman storyline was good they shoulda just ran with that
venom was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAy rushedand just stupid.. even his origin,, rushed and unexplained...
if sandman's was allowed front and center his origin woulda been better too... running fall in a pit.. okay what kinda of labrotory doing DE molecularization only has a fence to guard it??? 
Gwen.. Bryce Dallas Howard Gwen.. she's alright a little funny looking.. nothing too 
and finally.. Harry DIED TWICE in that movie.. if he can die once and come back.. why not again?
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Darth, I think the reason Venom pretty much sucked in 3 is because Raimi hates the character. I believe I read him say that, a quote or people close to him or whatever. I read he didn't want to put him in the movie and only did for the fans and quickly killed him off so that they're done with that storyline. I agree the film would have been much better if only focused on Sandman, good villain that they make you kinda like, or at least not hate because he's doing this for his daughter. All the Spider-Man villains so far have been very human and relateable and you feel for them in some way, they aren't just lunatics out to get money or take over the world and I think that's one reason the series has worked pretty well. The whole black suit thing was horrible, especialy 'dark' Peter. Apparently dark to him is mascara, emo hair, black clothes and night clubs, oooh scary. I think Topher was ok as Eddie/Venom, but the character was done pretty stupidly and treated as a side character.
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Venom was portrayed horribly. Possibly Spidey's most dangerous foe, and he is basically relegated to a minor character. An afterthought. If done right, he doesn't need Sandman's help.
They had a good formula going just focusing on the main three characters and one villain. Then they add another who in reality should have gotten his own movie. Then they add a half-assed love triangle with the addition of Gwen, who is way too beloved a character to be used in such a tossed off way.
This movie would have been much improved if neither Gwen nor Venom were involved.
With that said, I still really enjoyed it.
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Venom was portrayed horribly. Possibly Spidey's most dangerous foe, and he is basically relegated to a minor character. An afterthought. If done right, he doesn't need Sandman's help.
They had a good formula going just focusing on the main three characters and one villain. Then they add another who in reality should have gotten his own movie. Then they add a half-assed love triangle with the addition of Gwen, who is way too beloved a character to be used in such a tossed off way.
This movie would have been much improved if neither Gwen nor Venom were involved.
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zakly ... sept the last part..it made me see the flaws more and the coulda shouldas... you are right hammer .. the movie woulda been ten times better had it stayed the course with sandman and hte mains
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those goblin bombs were VERY inconsistent
the first one that blows in HARRY'S FACE (Parker throws it back in their first battles) does ZERO damage to harry..i means ZERO
the second one blows up right off to the side of harry (emo parker vs harry) and screws up harry's face
the 3rd bomb thrown blows the side of Sandmans huge head
the 4th bomb totally disentegrates Venom symbiote and Eddie ( you see Eddies skeleton)
ya....nice job Raimi
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those goblin bombs were VERY inconsistent
the first one that blows in HARRY'S FACE (Parker throws it back in their first battles) does ZERO damage to harry..i means ZERO
the second one blows up right off to the side of harry (emo parker vs harry) and screws up harry's face
the 3rd bomb thrown blows the side of Sandmans huge head
the 4th bomb totally disentegrates Venom symbiote and Eddie ( you see Eddies skeleton)
ya....nice job Raimi |
good points deuce .. also ALOT of the battle damage is inconsistent.. i mean parker has WALLS thrown on top of him and NOTHING.. NOTHING... he gets Jasoned' into a building and nothing.... harry get blown up and survives but bumps his head on a pipe.. and he's comatose
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he also smacks his head when venom removes his glider....why didnt he go unconsious again?
the more i look at these spider-man movies critically...the more i am disappointed with Raimi....and...the more i hate him
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check the sig...thats about how long we see venom in the film
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Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load.
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
go complain mods should be enforcing sig rules!
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
go complain mods should be enforcing sig rules! |
No way I'm not a squealer, his sig is none of my business. 
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stop drinkin' that haterade nelo
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
go complain mods should be enforcing sig rules! |
No way I'm not a KOBE, his sig is none of my business. |
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
go complain mods should be enforcing sig rules! |
No way I'm not a KOBE, his sig is none of my business. |
fixed |
Hey, I'll defend Kobe on the court, but he IS a squealer.
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| Could that sig be any bigger? It's actualy slowing down the page on my end and making it take long to load. |
go complain mods should be enforcing sig rules! |
No way I'm not a KOBE, his sig is none of my business. |
fixed |
Hey, I'll defend Kobe on the court, but he IS a squealer. |
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Pretty cool sig.
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Raimi Talks Spidey 4
Date: November 28, 2007
By: Ryan 'The Rican with the Irish name' McLelland
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I've always dug Sam Raimi movies - from the first Evil Dead to Spider-Man to For Love Of The Game to A Simple Plan (BILL PAXTON!!!). Then something funny happened...he made the ultimate horror movie of all time. It's called Spider-Man 3. It was a horrible, horrible trainwreck of a film and I really can't believe there are some out there who drank the kool-aid and actually thought the movie was decent. I've never hated a comic book movie more. I'd be chained down and beaten in the nutsack with a rusty nail attached to a piece of splintered wood while being forced to watch Tank Girl and Batman & Robin over and over again before I watch Spider-Man 3 again. Yes...that's how I really feel.
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