Steroids.......... they just won't go away

John3:16

Most of you know I'm a Giants fan, but I believe Bonds did steroids and knew what he was doing. However, this ruling is very interesting because the players were told they test results were for MLB purposes only, to get an idea of the extent of steroids in baseball. Now we've got this (courtesy of USA Today):

The names and urine samples of about 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive three years ago can be used by federal investigators, a court ruled Wednesday — a decision that could have implications for Barry Bonds.

The federal appeals court ruling could bolster the government's perjury case against Bonds if his name is among those who tested positive. The slugger has been the target of a perjury investigation since he testified before a 2004 grand jury that he didn't knowingly use illegal drugs.

Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal trainer, is currently in prison for refusing to testify in the perjury probe. Anderson previously was convicted of steroids distribution.

Investigators seized computer files containing the 2003 test results during raids in 2004 on three labs involved in the MLB testing program.

The unidentified samples had been collected as part of a MLB survey to gauge the prevalence of steroid use. The testing was anonymous under the terms of baseball's labor contract, but each player was assigned a code number to be matched with his name.

Michael Weiner, general counsel for the players' union, didn't immediately respond to a telephone call and e-mail seeking comment.

Thoughts?
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GuRu · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

This is gonna get bad if those names are released. Grimley's list of 7 was pretty rough already, but can you imagine 100+ names dropped on the sports world.

Baseball's credibility is going to take a hit, even though they are hardl the only sport with a steroid problem.

Still, I cant help but admit Im curious to see the list. I guarantee Pudge Rodriguez's name is on there.
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trodgers · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:11 pm Post subject:

If I understand this corretly, you're saying that the players were told their tests were for MLB only, but now judges are ruling that the samples must be released outside MLB?

If that's the case...

The samples should disqualify players like Bonds from the record books.
The samples should not be used for criminal purposes.
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GuRu · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject:

TXLAKERFAN · Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 9103 Location: Houston, TX

I would love to see Bonds name not in the list just to see what reaction it would get from fans. Also giving the circumstances MLB had with steriods previously you can't start disqualifying players from records or rewards.
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bumrusherer · Joined: 03 Dec 2004 Posts: 8748 Location: Neverland

This whole process has been so tiresome.
Just release the info already!!

The sooner everyone is named and shamed, the sooner MLB can get to cleaning up the image of the game.
The fact that players were told that their tests wouldnt be available for public consumption, just shows how inept Selig and his crew are.
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John3:16 · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

Frank The Tank · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject:

I can't wait to hear these names.
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strikemode14 · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:

trodgers · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

John3:16 · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject:

TXLAKERFAN · Joined: 10 Aug 2003 Posts: 9103 Location: Houston, TX

I believe Sportscenter announced not to long ago that they will be allowed to use the names.
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John3:16 · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject:

Bonds lawyer said Bonds is not on the list of those who tested positive and they're now stuck with a list of names that they really don't want to release since Bonds isn't on there. Only thing left to do is lean on those 100 in hopes that they'll give info to prosecute Bonds.

Further proving that this has always been about Bonds.
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DMK · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:08 am Post subject:

barry is an easy target because he is attempting to break one of the biggest records in sports.... he is an active player and is mch past 40 and doing things some 25 yr olds havent done.

bonds had a hall of fame career before the big homerun boom.... but there is not a man on the face of the planet that is going to convince me that after all of those seasons, bonds hits 73 HR's just after the mcgwire sosa hr craze.

i dont buy it. not a soul ever to play and FAR SUPERIOR MEN then bonds have played the game over that span, havent done that.... you wont convice me that he is clean.

straight BS and i hope all those who test positive get what they have com,ing to them, especially bonds. man9

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trodgers · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:42 am Post subject:

John: Alcohol is not a performance enhancer, at least in my experience. That's the difference between steroids and alcohol.

As for Rose, if he bet on his team to lose, then his record as a manager should be discounted.

I have nothing specifically against Bonds. Without roids he still would have been one of the greatest players ever.
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LAKERSPR · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:51 am Post subject:

what its the big deal?steroids?for that time was not illegal use steroids,so why still with this?if those test are from 2005 until now its ok,because now is illegal,but for the days before 2004 or 2005 was legal to use.

but i want to see the list.

i just wanted to see if BONDS.PUDGE/SOSA/ and other who are denied the use of seteroids didnt came out,to see what people are going to say.
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trodgers · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:54 am Post subject:

Lakerman JSJ · Clublakers Moderator Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 9981

The issue here that really disturbs me is that this court of appeals has taken ANONYMOUS tests and is going to publicize them. I know these guys broke the rules, but to go back a few years and throw these tests in their faces now seems like a violation of their rights whether they were in the wrong or not.
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trodgers · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:03 am Post subject:

Yes. The entire world is racist. That's fine. The point is that Bonds broke a law and a rule of baseball so crying "racist" doesn't do anything. He still broke the rule; he should still suffer.
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