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I liked the fake proposal too.. thats great.. i told vix i was gonna do that to her 
the singing and dancing at the grave was funny too
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Last night's episode was pretty damn funny. The blind date scene was vintage Michael.
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I liked the fake proposal too.. thats great.. i told vix i was gonna do that to her
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And I will say exactly what she said. |
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Wendy's... hot and juicy redhead. 
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Yeah, yesterday's episode was right back on track. Golden!
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Originally posted: April 8, 2008
Maureen Ryan Chicago Tribune
'The Office' spawns a spinoff: How to make it more like 'Frasier' and less like 'Joey'
Most TV insiders thought it would be impossible to create a worthwhile American version of the award-winning British comedy "The Office."
Now they’re wondering whether executive producer Greg Daniels, the talented writer who pulled off that difficult feat, will be able to deliver an “Office” spinoff that will please both desperate NBC executives and discerning “Office” fans.
Daniels’ high-profile comedy series finally returns from a strike-induced break at 8 p.m. Thursday on WMAQ-Ch. 5. In Thursday’s episode of “The Office,” Jan (Melora Hardin) and Michael (Steve Carell) throw a disastrous dinner party for several Dunder Mifflin employees. (There's more on that episode here and here.)
Even as Daniels wraps up the show’s current season, his mind is probably on his new project, an “Office” spinoff that NBC plans to debut after the Super Bowl in 2009. Though “The Office” is a success, it isn’t a mega-hit when it comes to ratings. But it’s close enough for a struggling NBC, a network so desperate that it’s taking a big gamble with one of its most beloved shows.
And talk about a blank slate: The April 2 news release announcing the project had zero details about the new show. So far, it has no title, no concept and no cast.
Spinoffs from successful shows are inherently dangerous propositions, since the audience will expect great things from the outset. Ken Levine, a writer and director who has worked on “M*A*S*H,” “Cheers” and “Frasier,” knows that all too well: He also wrote for a show called “AfterM*A*S*H.”
“I’m a huge fan of Greg Daniels,” Levine said. “If anyone can pull this off, he can. My feeling is, though, that there are a lot of dangers and pitfalls to doing a spinoff.” (See this sidebar on notable spinoff successes and failures.)
For one thing, managing viewer expectations will be tough. “The Office” sneaked on to the schedule as a mid-season replacement in 2005 and had a chance to find its voice before attracting a lot of attention. Now the show is a pop-culture darling.
The spinoff will have no opportunity for a quiet debut: The hype for a show premiering after the Super Bowl will be intense, and “Office” fans will be let down — and possibly scathing — if the new comedy is not excellent right away.
“We all know what we love about ‘The Office.’ We want to see that again,” said Laverne McKinnnon, who is no stranger to spinoffs. She was senior vice president of drama development at CBS when the network created two new “CSIs.” “If we don’t get that, it’s a big ouch.”
McKinnon and Levine talked about the factors that can make a spinoff a success rather than a high-profile failure:
*Base a spinoff on a concrete idea that is carefully thought through.
A desperate, greedy, more-of-the-same premise often results in flops like a flop such as “Joey” springing from hugely popular hits like the hugely popular “Friends.”
“It sounds to me like this is a [development] less based on a creative decision and more based on network needs,” Levine said of the “Office” spinoff. “You have to make it about something, as opposed to putting people in a similar setting and just doing more of the same"
*If the new “Office” show is built around characters from Scranton, make sure they’re the right ones.
“People that you loved in a certain context may not be able to carry a show on their own,” Levine said. “The most perfect example of that is ‘AfterM*A*S*H,’” which featured three second-banana characters.
For years, NBC executives bugged Levine and his writing partner David Isaacs to make a “Cheers” spinoff featuring Norm and Cliff, but Levine said, “We learned our lesson with ‘AfterM*A*S*H.’ Norm and Cliff can’t carry a show. Kelsey Grammer [who went on to star in ‘Frasier’] could carry a show.”
*If an existing character is spun off, play to his or her strengths.
“What was great about ‘Rhoda’ [built around the character created by actress Valerie Harper on ‘The Mary Tyler Moore Show’] was that it brilliantly exploited that character’s quirks,” said McKinnon, who is president of television for the entertainment firm 50 Cannon.
*Taking away a key character from the main show is risky.
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“Breakout characters” are the logical candidates for their own shows, but removing Jim or Pam, for example, from the Dunder Mifflin mothership could be a mistake. “There’s a risk that you could end up ruining both shows,” Levine said.
*Don’t necessarily ape every aspect of the old show, but give the audience what they want.
With new versions of “CSI,” audiences expected and got a strong procedural element, McKinnon said. When it comes to “The Office,” the setting and the stories on the new show don’t matter as much as “capturing the right tone,” she said.
As Levine noted, “The Office’s” deadpan, ironic tone is “fragile”: “The humor is really based on reactions. You need just the right touch.”
*Change the setting and the dynamics enough to give the new show its own identity.
“‘Frasier’ was primarily a family show, and it was set as far away from ‘Cheers’ as possible, and Frasier had a different kind of job,” Levine said.
*Casting is key.
“They lucked out when they cast David Hyde Pierce” as Frasier’s fussy brother, Niles, Levine said “I thought ‘The Office’ was cast incredibly well. [Daniels] really understood the idea of casting the funniest people that are out there,” as opposed to shoehorning in “names” or actors that the network is pushing.
“It has to be the best actor for the role. So many sitcoms have failed when they are created for particular actors,” McKinnon said.
*Don’t kill the golden goose.
Daniels will also be working on 28 “Office” episodes next season. It makes sense to wonder whether “the quality of ‘The Office’ will be damaged because Greg Daniels is working on the spinoff,” McKinnon said. As Levine noted, one danger of a spinoff is “diluting the franchise.”
Spinoffs through the ages: The good, the bad and the inexplicable
Though we don't have the space to list every good and bad spinoff to ever grace (or disgrace) the tube, here are some notables by the decade:
The ’70s
Hit: “Rhoda”(1974) from “Mary Tyler Moore” (1970)
Flop: “Phyllis” (1975) from “Mary Tyler Moore.” Some characters have a show in them; some don’t.
Hall of Fame: “All in the Family,” (1971), a trailblazing, politically charged sitcom that changed television. One of the greatest spinoff-generating shows of all time, its spinoffs had spinoffs: “Maude” (1972), “Good Times” (1974), “The Jeffersons” (1975), “Checking In” (1981) “Archie Bunker’s Place” (1979), “Gloria”(1982) and “704 Hauser” (1994).
The ’80s
Hit: “The Simpsons” (1989) from “The Tracey Ullman Show” (1987)
Flop: “Joanie Loves Chachi” (1982) from “Happy Days” (1974)
Hall of Fame: “AfterM*A*S*H” (1983), which followed some of the characters from the beloved series “M*A*S*H” (1972) and is frequently cited as one of the least successful spinoffs of all time.
Angel The ’90s
Hits: “Frasier” (1993) from “Cheers” (1982). "Law & Order" (1990) spawned "Law & Order: SVU" (1999) (and later "Law & Order: CI" [2001] and the unsuccessful "Law & Order: Trial by Jury" [2005]).
Flop: “Top of the Heap” (1991) from “Married With Children” (1987). It lasted three months.
Hall of Fame: “Angel” (1999), from the cult hit “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” (1997), expanded and possibly even improved upon writer/director Joss Whedon’s much-loved horror/fantasy universe and built its own passionate fan base.
The ’00s
Hit: “Boston Legal” (2004) from “The Practice” (1997)
Flop: “Joey” (2004) from “Friends” (1994). Ugh.
Hall of Fame: The hitmaker “CSI” (2000) is still going strong, along with its spinoffs “CSI: Miami” (2002) and “CSI: NY” (2004). |
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LMAO... Pam's football passed reminds me of Fisher's pass that went off Carmelo's head.
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Wow! Just finished watching the rest of this episode. This is the type of episode that I've known to love. Lots of classic moments. "Tolkien" guy, Amazon women, Pam's football pass, Toby climbing the fence... GOLD!
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That whole scene with Toby was classic.
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OMG both of you guys are spot on.. hilarious episode....
"the cleaning crew is here... Oscar"
"so they HAPPEN to speak spanish"
"BEST NIGHT EVER" 
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another FAKE proposal.. oh the ideas... im loving it...
DO it.. 3-2-1.. 5 -4 3- 2- 1-
Alright everyone out except for Phyllis... god this ep was great 
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This car is crap. I will buy it for next to nothing....Sell it to me...Five four, three, two, now. Now now now!
Hahaha
I didn't LOL a whole lot this episode, but I still think it was really good because of the performances. Steve Carell and Leslie David Baker were awesome in it.
That talking head with Creed talking about Pam was hilarious:
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Best episode in a while for sure.
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Where were the fuzzy fingers on Stanley? I was waiting for it.
Best episode since the strike. Don't know what the deal was with Jim getting reprimanded though. Kinda put a damper on the episode.
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This episode was FANTASTIC. Lots of funny lines.
Dwight: Force it in as DEEP as you can!
Michael: That's what she said!
Michael making fun of Pam's glasses was hilarious.
Michael: Oohh my god Pam those make you look soo ugly... Um.. Pam in order to get hotter, you take glasses off. You're moving in the wrong direction.
Pam: I dont have my contacts...
Michael: Ahh BAAA BAA.. I can't even hear you. It's just noise coming out of an UGLY scientist.
And Savory...
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I really liked that last episode. What a way to end the season, even though it was BY FAR the worst of the four.
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"The real crime, I think... was the beard."
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The season finale left a bit to be desired, but it was solid overal
I  'd a few times
Michael was on point
And Jim forwarding dwights calls to the bluetooth and his office desk was hilarious.
And everyone wanted a piece of holly's tail, ha! |
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I liked everything except the way Jim didn't propose and Pam seemed bummed. I REALLY don't want them to follow the stereotypical plotline where the two stars break up, hook up with other people and realize they are in love and get back together in the final episode. It's lame and I see the show making a B-line for it. This show doesn't need it. They shouldn't do it.
As for the episode.
Holly thinking Kevisn is retarded is hilarious.
Not enough Dwight in the episode.
Michael attempting his last diggs at Toby were great. "Suck on this"
Oh, and Hammer was right about the one line. "The real crime, I think... was the beard."
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Best part of the episode by far. I laughed every time that was brought up. "I've gotta buckle him in & get goin."
There were a lot of things happening as well with Ryan getting arrested, Jim not proposing, Andy proposing to Angela, Jan being pregnant, and at the end where Angela & Dwight were bangin in the office.
Already can't wait for next season!
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after seeing that episode,I just love what Steve Carell has done with the character Michael Scott, The character should be hated for his ignorance, but it just comes off funny, then in some episodes Carell makes you really feel for the character, I just love Steve Carell as a Michael Scott week by week.
and Just wanna say farewell to Toby i hope this isnt the last time we see you in the office. One day youll get Pam, One day.
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and Just wanna say farewell to Toby i hope this isnt the last time we see you in the office. One day youll get Pam, One day.
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DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CAMERA?!?!?!?!
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and Just wanna say farewell to Toby i hope this isnt the last time we see you in the office. One day youll get Pam, One day.
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That was hilarious
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| i wana see some Todd Packer!!!! |
No no no...can't stand him! :)
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