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oneofthesedays
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How about this: if you said that LA would turn it over 15 times in the first half and San Antonio would hit 13 threes, and I asked you how much you thought LA lost by, you're surely say AT LEAST 15. Right?
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I think it's a problem that teams are getting record high numbers of 3 pointers against us. They're shooting wide open shots because our defensive strategy is appalling. Phil needs to get to work ASAP or he's gone. |
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i know that no one can truly keep up with parker but fisher was just torched on an epic level.
this whole chris mihm business needs to stop
start bynum now he plays better offense better defense and is a better rebounder than both our other centers kwame should be 2nd string. |
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| got dang, the lakers suk! |
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halekulani
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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so...
where was odom this game? pf? sf? |
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trodgers
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| oneofthesedays wrote: |
| trodgers wrote: |
How about this: if you said that LA would turn it over 15 times in the first half and San Antonio would hit 13 threes, and I asked you how much you thought LA lost by, you're surely say AT LEAST 15. Right?
Okay, that doesn't make me feel any better. |
I think it's a problem that teams are getting record high numbers of 3 pointers against us. They're shooting wide open shots because our defensive strategy is appalling. Phil needs to get to work ASAP or he's gone. |
I think that LA's interior defense is often pretty good during this young season so teams adapt and start hitting the threes. LA has to strike a balance between staying tough inside and sticking with guys on the perimeter. At least that interior D has improved, which is nice.
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washington got those, "here, shoot it now" shots. Those are broken plays and those shots aren't supposed to go in. They fell today. Farmar has good D. Its transaction D that the team isn't very good at.
Farmar is our future pg. He plays with intensity and is good on both ends. |
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trodgers
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
so...
where was odom this game? pf? sf? |
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SportsfanPJ
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
so...
where was odom this game? pf? sf? |
he played SF most of the game, including the first quarter and everytime they posted him up, he got called for travelling because dude spun to his left quite a bit due to inability to go right and every spin move and catch and dribble of his in the first half was called for travelling |
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trodgers
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bobyahead wrote: |
washington got those, "here, shoot it now" shots. Those are broken plays and those shots aren't supposed to go in. They fell today. Farmar has good D. Its transaction D that the team isn't very good at.
Farmar is our future pg. He plays with intensity and is good on both ends. |
He was absolutely torched on D. He has good intensity. I don't debate that. So does Fisher. So does Sasha. Sometimes it doesn't translate to success.
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Punk-101
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i didnt get to watch or listen to the game. I just got home and checked out the box score. Clue me in briefly please:
it looks like our lack of perimeter D and turnovers cost us this game, no?
WTF?? I cannot remember the last time kobe shot 19FGA's with ZERO FTA's. Bowen had SIX. Were the refs just screwing kobe or was he really not fouled even once?
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They launched threes and we didn't cover them. We had 15 Tos in the first half. Kobe didn't really try to get to the hoop much. Refs were atrocious, however, in calling traveling violations on LA out the butt, but nothing on SA.
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SportsfanPJ
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| Punk-101 wrote: |
i didnt get to watch or listen to the game. I just got home and checked out the box score. Clue me in briefly please:
it looks like our lack of perimeter D and turnovers cost us this game, no?
WTF?? I cannot remember the last time kobe shot 19FGA's with ZERO FTA's. Bowen had SIX. Were the refs just screwing kobe or was he really not fouled even once? |
we had tons of turnovers in the first half...but like at least 7 travelling violations were called on us and most of them were on Lamar Odom's spin moves and other moves on the pivot
Tony Parker did the same damn moves coming off screens and spinning into the lane and taking one extra hop after another to get open looks and score and refs did nothing
And oh yea Kobe packed Duncan twice which was sweet
Ronny should've had at least 2 swats...but one was called goaltending (definitely not) and the other one was called for a stupid foul |
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Punk-101
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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thanks guys.
What about ZERO ft's for kobe? I mean not one time was he fouled in the act of shooting or away from the ball when the spurs were in the penalty?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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washington got those, "here, shoot it now" shots. Those are broken plays and those shots aren't supposed to go in. They fell today. Farmar has good D. Its transaction D that the team isn't very good at.
Farmar is our future pg. He plays with intensity and is good on both ends. |
He was absolutely torched on D. He has good intensity. I don't debate that. So does Fisher. So does Sasha. Sometimes it doesn't translate to success. |
I saw the game...Farmar didn't get torched. His man hit a few difficult shots. Fish on the other hand....he got torched, choosing to go under the screen every time and leaving Parker wide open to hit jumper after jumper. Farmar was one of the few strong performers out there today, along with Ronny and Drew.
The Laker defensive strategy was flawed against these guys....they needed to stay at home on the perimeter shooters and funnel the penetration to the secondary help defenders.
Instead they collapsed to deny penetration and were too slow on their rotations or getting back to the open man.
The refs were killing me tonight....do they have to make their home court/Spurs bias so obvious?
The Spurs get away with a ton of crap, holding inside, traveling, double dribbles, and moving screens....yet the the refs only play policeman with the Lakers. What a load. |
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oneofthesedays
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Well I hope Phil will get these rotations sorted out soon, they are really killing us.
What boggles my mind is his rotations don't seem to make any sense. You know TP is the fastest PG in the league, put your fastest guy on him. That means put Farmar on him and have D-Fish coming off the bench. Also, Bynum has some nice length over TD and can play him 1-1 the entire game. But no, we start Mihm, throw Kwame in for an extended period of time where the game got out of hand, and then put Bynum in late in the 3rd. We can't have a 3 center rotation, it's not going to work. Someone is gonna have to go. |
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SportsfanPJ
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Punk-101 wrote: |
thanks guys.
What about ZERO ft's for kobe? I mean not one time was he fouled in the act of shooting or away from the ball when the spurs were in the penalty? |
well of course Bowen was hanging on his hip all game but thats not something new
He did take a lot of shots from the outside tho...he made like maybe 2-3 shots in the lane
He made a spinning shot in the middle of the 4th quarter with like 3 guys hanging on him, but outside of that i don't think Kobe got any looks other than the perimeter
He did launch most of his shots from the outside so yea he didn't get that many calls
There was one play where he was fouled at the end of 1st half and he knew a foul was coming so he threw it up from like half court right at the whistle and they didn't give him 3 free throws...it was the first foul by the spurs in the last 2 minutes and they just took the ball out of bounds and the lakers didn't score
there was another play where he was fouled by matt bonner while dribbling...well kobe initiated the conatact from like 18 feet near the bench and the whistle sounded and he banked one in and that was not counted either and no free throws since spurs weren't over the limit
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spitty
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| Punk-101 wrote: |
thanks guys.
What about ZERO ft's for kobe? I mean not one time was he fouled in the act of shooting or away from the ball when the spurs were in the penalty? |
KObe didn't get fouled at all. He was busy being ignored by his teammates earlier and had to take forced shots later in the 2nd half. |
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Positives
Our centers shutout Duncan. Bynum was really impressive when he guarded Duncan as well.
Farmar showed what he can do on offense tonight and isprobably the better defensive option than fisher
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oneofthesedays
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| No Kobe was playing pretty passively in the offense, he wasn't really being THAT aggressive. This would be fine if we were playing a crap team, but SA is no crap team. We need Kobe fully assertive if we're gonna have a shot. |
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| winstonemby wrote: |
Positives
Our centers shutout Duncan. Bynum was really impressive when he guarded Duncan as well.
Farmar showed what he can do on offense tonight and isprobably the better defensive option than fisher |
I disagree on his defense part. He probably caused 3 of those wide open shots with his needless double teaming. |
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trodgers
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bobyahead wrote: |
washington got those, "here, shoot it now" shots. Those are broken plays and those shots aren't supposed to go in. They fell today. Farmar has good D. Its transaction D that the team isn't very good at.
Farmar is our future pg. He plays with intensity and is good on both ends. |
He was absolutely torched on D. He has good intensity. I don't debate that. So does Fisher. So does Sasha. Sometimes it doesn't translate to success. |
I saw the game...Farmar didn't get torched. His man hit a few difficult shots. Fish on the other hand....he got torched, choosing to go under the screen every time and leaving Parker wide open to hit jumper after jumper. Farmar was one of the few strong performers out there today, along with Ronny and Drew.
The Laker defensive strategy was flawed against these guys....they needed to stay at home on the perimeter shooters and funnel the penetration to the secondary help defenders.
Instead they collapsed to deny penetration and were too slow on their rotations or getting back to the open man.
The refs were killing me tonight....do they have to make their home court/Spurs bias so obvious?
The Spurs get away with a ton of crap, holding inside, traveling, double dribbles, and moving screens....yet the the refs only play policeman with the Lakers. What a load. |
Watched it, too. Farmar was TORCHED. So was Fisher. I don't deny that.
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Positives
Our centers shutout Duncan. Bynum was really impressive when he guarded Duncan as well.
Farmar showed what he can do on offense tonight and isprobably the better defensive option than fisher |
I disagree on his defense part. He probably caused 3 of those wide open shots with his needless double teaming. |
I'm more concerned about how he fared against Duncan. Stupid rotations can always be unlearned. But being able to hold your ground against a top post player is more important thing to look at.
I agree, he made some dumb moves, and I believe Phil will be rubbing those in. I'm just glad he guarded Duncan so well.
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Finely and Ginobilli easily fronted Lamar Odom who's at least 4 inches taller than them!!!!!!
Bynum posted up measley Oberto and Matt Bonner and didn't get any touches until late in the 4th quarter when the game was essentially over
we just couldn't get them the ball!!!! |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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washington got those, "here, shoot it now" shots. Those are broken plays and those shots aren't supposed to go in. They fell today. Farmar has good D. Its transaction D that the team isn't very good at.
Farmar is our future pg. He plays with intensity and is good on both ends. |
He was absolutely torched on D. He has good intensity. I don't debate that. So does Fisher. So does Sasha. Sometimes it doesn't translate to success. |
I saw the game...Farmar didn't get torched. His man hit a few difficult shots. Fish on the other hand....he got torched, choosing to go under the screen every time and leaving Parker wide open to hit jumper after jumper. Farmar was one of the few strong performers out there today, along with Ronny and Drew.
The Laker defensive strategy was flawed against these guys....they needed to stay at home on the perimeter shooters and funnel the penetration to the secondary help defenders.
Instead they collapsed to deny penetration and were too slow on their rotations or getting back to the open man.
The refs were killing me tonight....do they have to make their home court/Spurs bias so obvious?
The Spurs get away with a ton of crap, holding inside, traveling, double dribbles, and moving screens....yet the the refs only play policeman with the Lakers. What a load. |
Watched it, too. Farmar was TORCHED. So was Fisher. I don't deny that. |
Gotta agree with Trodgers here. Farmar was going under screens instead of over them. I'm pissed, because I know he's better than that. He should be disappointed in himself despite the points he scored.
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| Gotta agree with Trodgers here. Farmar was going under screens instead of over them. I'm pissed, because I know he's better than that. He should be disappointed in himself despite the points he scored. |
I sure hope Fisher isn't teaching him to do that because he used to go over them and try to keep up with his man, he should keep trying to do it that way.
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| seriously.. i agree weezy.. indeed i hope fish isn't teaching him bad habits cuz i clearly remember as well farmar not doing that before.. |
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| When was the last time LA had a point guard that could defend? I think we need to give up on that. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| When was the last time LA had a point guard that could defend? I think we need to give up on that. |
The Glove...Gary Payton hahahaha
we all know how that experiment went
He guarded Chauncey Billups in the 2004 NBA finals and Chauncey ended up with the finals MVP |
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