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Here we go again, like last season's thread, same deal here. Draft is over, season is approaching once again! So let's try to keep all NYK related stuff in here.
To start it off, I'd like to post a video of Stephon Marbury praising the Randolph trade. I don't think he can be anymore happier or excited, he seems to really be looking foward to playing with him and is ready to feed the ball to him and Curry down low. Now mind Marbury's speaking skills, they aren't the best, but I don't think I've ever seen him this excited.
http://www.postingandtoasting.com/story/2007/7/1/195757/6424
Always good to see the PG of the team this enthusiastic about a trade.
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New York is getting into the postseason next season. That Randolph trade really lifted them over the top. He's a legit 20 & 10 guy who is undervalued. He may have a bad contract, and a bad attitude, but I'd take his play for it. You know the Knicks make a good move when Stephen A. Smith was happy about it.
Key, so is Lee coming off the bench again this year? I do remember Isiah benched him last season, with the Randolph trade it seems more likely he will be, but with Frye's departure it clears up playing time. He's quickly become one of my favorite players, you could tell he loved the Randolph trade, too. Just by his reaction on draft night.
This team should be fun to watch next season.
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Can we somehow obtain David Lee? this move isn´t exactly in his favor....
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New York is getting into the postseason next season. That Randolph trade really lifted them over the top. He's a legit 20 & 10 guy who is undervalued. He may have a bad contract, and a bad attitude, but I'd take his play for it. You know the Knicks make a good move when Stephen A. Smith was happy about it.
Key, so is Lee coming off the bench again this year? I do remember Isiah benched him last season, with the Randolph trade it seems more likely he will be, but with Frye's departure it clears up playing time. He's quickly become one of my favorite players, you could tell he loved the Randolph trade, too. Just by his reaction on draft night.
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Yeah it seems as though he will have to, but with the shipment of Frye, it will probably balance out to last year's playing time.
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| Can we somehow obtain David Lee? this move isn´t exactly in his favor.... |
We all know Lee SHOULD get more playing time, and this trade definitely doesn't help that, but I'm sure Lee is one of the happiest Knicks to get Randolph. He is really all about the team and you could see that he was really happy with the trade on draft night when it was announced.
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New York is getting into the postseason next season.
This team should be fun to watch next season. |
Not hard to make the playoffs, even sub .500 when you play in the lowly east.
They still have many players who are volume shooter scorers who have low fundamental skills and rely upon athleticism. Isiah's fortay.
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Pritchard probably should have asked for him in the deal sending Zach.
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Keeping tabs on Zach Randolph - particularly when the sun goes down - is now the Knicks' problem. History suggests that Knicks head coach Isiah Thomas would be well-advised not to turn off his cell phone before he goes to bed each night.
There shouldn't be, however, much of a mystery concerning Randolph's whereabouts during the day.
"He loves the gym," says Trail Blazers assistant coach Bill Bayno. "He worked his butt off for me. When Zach gets to the gym he doesn't look at the clock. He works on his game and his conditioning. He just loves to play ball."
Randolph will formally join the Knicks today and hold his first press conference - at the Greenburgh practice facility - since Thursday's stunning trade that send Channing Frye and Steve Francis to Portland for Randolph, Fred Jones and Dan Dickau.
Last week, Randolph was in Los Angeles training with Bayno, who spent the past 12 months working on Randolph's body and mind. When Bayno speaks about the 6-9, 250-pound Randolph, he paints a different picture of a player known as much for his off-the-court behavior as his vast basketball skills.
Bayno says that Randolph has matured and that his best years are still ahead of him. He talks about Randolph being a likeable guy who has made poor choices in his life and now has seen the error of his ways.
Thomas is confident he can get through to Randolph, who has a long rap sheet of offenses ranging from gun possession to assault. Randolph becomes the Knicks' most controversial acquisition since the team traded for Latrell Sprewell in January 1999.
"I've had off the court problems in my day so I know how tough it can be to manage your off the court life, especially during the season," Bayno says. "But I think Zach probably had his best year in terms of basketball (23.6 points, 10.1 rebounds) and maturing off the court."
Bayno and former Knick Monty Williams are in charge of player development for the Blazers. Bayno got his first big break in college as a grad assistant on P.J. Carlesimo's staff at Seton Hall. He eventually landed at Kansas under Larry Brown before working for John Calipari at UMass and becoming the head coach at UNLV. As a coach trying to resurrect his career, Bayno formed an immediate bond with Randolph.
"Zach is a very coachable player," Bayno said. "I wish him all the luck in the world because I really enjoyed working with him. He always wanted to work. This year we were working on his defense because offensively, he's just a scoring machine."
Randolph's greatest weakness is his inability to defend his position. In many ways he is similar to Eddy Curry: a big man who needs the ball down low. There is a feeling that Randolph and Curry will not work as a tandem because they are too similar.
"He can play with Eddy Curry," Bayno said. "He can shoot the ball from anywhere. He fancies himself as a three-point shooter but we felt he relied on it too much. But he has very good range." |
This is good to hear, but it's not a big suprise. Didn't Scottie Pippen say Zach was one of the hardest working players he'd ever seen when he was on the Blazers?
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If Randolph continues to get focus, I think the Knicks can be a sleeper come playoff time.
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July 2, 2007 -- Stephon Marbury weighed in on the controversial Zach Randolph blockbuster and proclaimed he’ll be happy to take an even lesser scoring role in the offense, feeling the Knicks’ chances of winning a title has just bumped up.
The scrutiny on Marbury’s role as distributor will be larger than ever, with Eddy Curry and Randolph rocking the low post.
“You know that Eddy is man, and Zach is the man,” Marbury told The Post after hosting Saturday’s Coney Island Starbury sneaker giveaway that drew thousands. “Everything goes through them. I’ve been trying my whole career to have one guy who can score in the post. Now I have two guys. We have something in Zach totally different because he’s a left-handed post player.
“Us having two guys like that, you have to recognize what’s at stake,” Marbury said. “Make sure they get fed all the time. I get the scraps. If we’re winning, I don’t care if I score four points. |
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022007/sports/knicks/marbury_happy_to_defer_more_knicks_marc_berman.htm
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I really liked the move for the Knicks. Frye couldn't find his role this season, even though he showed a lot of promise during his rookie season.
Like I've said before, one of the most talented rosters that I've seen, from top to bottom. Curry and Zach are going to be unstoppable down low. Nice bench depth too. Should make the playoffs this year, without a doubt.
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Pritchard probably should have asked for him in the deal sending Zach. |
I was shocked he didn't get Lee. To give up a 20 and 10 guy and take on Francis he definately should hvae gotten LEe instead of Frye.
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| Knicks are going to be much improved over last year. Zach is a beast. It was a mistake by Portland to not get Lee in return for Randolph. |
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It would be a total disappointment if NY doesn't make the playoffs.
That trade was ridiculously in the Knicks' favor.
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"marbs ready to score less"?? hehe i thought he was already scoring less.. how less does he want to go?
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NY is all over Lee's nuts. He's untouchable.
He's a great rebounder and hustles on defense. Not much of a shotblocker, pretty decent scorer. Reminds me of Troy Murphey before he got overpaid.
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NY is all over Lee's nuts. He's untouchable.
He's a great rebounder and hustles on defense. Not much of a shotblocker, pretty decent scorer. Reminds me of Troy Murphey before he got overpaid. |
I'd take Lee in a heartbeat over Murphy, regardless of his contract. Lee doesn't float around on the perimeter like Murphy does. He stays around the basket, where he's effective. Really, a quality player, and a steal at the end of the 1st round.
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NY is all over Lee's nuts. He's untouchable.
He's a great rebounder and hustles on defense. Not much of a shotblocker, pretty decent scorer. Reminds me of Troy Murphey before he got overpaid. |
I'd take Lee in a heartbeat over Murphy, regardless of his contract. Lee doesn't float around on the perimeter like Murphy does. He stays around the basket, where he's effective. Really, a quality player, and a steal at the end of the 1st round. |
Murphy played that way during his first 3-4 seasons in GS.
Ferocious rebounder. Got tons of offensive rebounds and putbacks.
Ever since Murphy developed the 3pt shot, and got his contract, the guy has never been the same.
15/10 in his best year with GS. I don't see Lee getting much better than that.
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NY is all over Lee's nuts. He's untouchable.
He's a great rebounder and hustles on defense. Not much of a shotblocker, pretty decent scorer. Reminds me of Troy Murphey before he got overpaid. |
I'd take Lee in a heartbeat over Murphy, regardless of his contract. Lee doesn't float around on the perimeter like Murphy does. He stays around the basket, where he's effective. Really, a quality player, and a steal at the end of the 1st round. |
Murphy played that way during his first 3-4 seasons in GS.
Ferocious rebounder. Got tons of offensive rebounds and putbacks.
Ever since Murphy developed the 3pt shot, and got his contract, the guy has never been the same.
15/10 in his best year with GS. I don't see Lee getting much better than that. |
I agree. He'll be a nice role-player. Hopefully he develops a mid-range jumper to his game. It'd be nice if became a more complete player. I like that he's coming off the bench, it'll be a nice energy spark with him and Balkman coming in off the bench.
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Now that Balkman guy is the real guy with potential. He has great lateral quickness, great leaping ability, which will make him excellent in steals and blocks.
Lee may be better now, simply because of his fundamentals, but in the long run, I think Balkman can be a defensive stud if he keeps improving. He has all the tools, it's just about putting it all together.
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Now that Balkman guy is the real guy with potential. He has great lateral quickness, great leaping ability, which will make him excellent in steals and blocks.
Lee may be better now, simply because of his fundamentals, but in the long run, I think Balkman can be a defensive stud if he keeps improving. He has all the tools, it's just about putting it all together. |
Definitely. That's another reason that I like the trade. It can mean more time that Lee and Balkman are on the floor at the same time. He has a lot of potential on the defensive end, as you said. If he were to add a jumper in there, he would be an all-around very good player. He was another surprise.
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Yeah, if I were the Knicks, I'd trade Lee since his value is at an all time high. I think Lee has peaked. I'd try to package Lee for a swingman because I'm not convinced with Crawfish.
Too bad there aren't too many shooters out there. Maybe since the Knicks are interested in Shard, they can sign and trade Lee and scraps for Shard.
But Balkman's ability to guard multiple positions is what is really unique about him. He has a great work ethic, so I think he can reach his potential. If he can get to Josh Smith's defensive level in terms of forcing turnovers with blocked shots and steals, he'll be a fan favorite for years to come.
As for Nate, I'm not sold on him. He's a good 6th man, but like Lee, I think Knicks should drop him while he's hot for another need. But we'll see. His value is his energy and ice cold veins.
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Lee has been working a lot on his game this summer. He had an interview on 1050 ESPN Radio and was saying how he is working on his ball handling and shooting. He said he takes about 1000 jumpers a day to get better.
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I'd still trade him if I can get Shard.
Sonics really need a rebounder with all those SF's. Swift and Petro are good at center but aren't much of rebounders. Same goes with Wilcox.
Offer Lee and I think Seattle may bite.
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It would be a total disappointment if NY doesn't make the playoffs.
That trade was ridiculously in the Knicks' favor. |
Well Portland does improve by subtraction. Now Aldridge and Oden can grow together. You also get one of the last Jail Blazers out of there.
But, they could have gotten more, which is where Pritchard went wrong.
However, its hard not to make the playoffs in the east when .500 teams have a shot.
I'm still wondering "they have so much talent" comments come from. You can have guys who can score and all, but it still takes a team and this one is still poorly put together. Isiah Thomas is too short sighted to build a team, rather than a collection of guys who do a lot of the same thing (volume shooters who might average 20 a game, but near 40% shooting).
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It would be a total disappointment if NY doesn't make the playoffs.
That trade was ridiculously in the Knicks' favor. |
Well Portland does improve by subtraction. Now Aldridge and Oden can grow together. You also get one of the last Jail Blazers out of there.
But, they could have gotten more, which is where Pritchard went wrong.
However, its hard not to make the playoffs in the east when .500 teams have a shot.
I'm still wondering "they have so much talent" comments come from. You can have guys who can score and all, but it still takes a team and this one is still poorly put together. Isiah Thomas is too short sighted to build a team, rather than a collection of guys who do a lot of the same thing (volume shooters who might average 20 a game, but near 40% shooting). |
Can you give some examples? I see maybe two shooters on this team...Jamal Crawford and Q-Rich. Marbury was not a shooter last season and will shoot even less next season.
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It would be a total disappointment if NY doesn't make the playoffs.
That trade was ridiculously in the Knicks' favor. |
Well Portland does improve by subtraction. Now Aldridge and Oden can grow together. You also get one of the last Jail Blazers out of there.
But, they could have gotten more, which is where Pritchard went wrong.
However, its hard not to make the playoffs in the east when .500 teams have a shot.
I'm still wondering "they have so much talent" comments come from. You can have guys who can score and all, but it still takes a team and this one is still poorly put together. Isiah Thomas is too short sighted to build a team, rather than a collection of guys who do a lot of the same thing (volume shooters who might average 20 a game, but near 40% shooting). |
Can you give some examples? I see maybe two shooters on this team...Jamal Crawford and Q-Rich. Marbury was not a shooter last season and will shoot even less next season. |
They got rid of Francis. That's good. Marbury (score first guard), Crawford, Q-Rich. The team isn't exactly built on high IQ's, lead by Isiah who picks them (Curry). Jerome James is a good example of Isiah's expert pickings.
Every since Layden and Thomas, Knicks have just continued to spiral.
Zach does give them a good scorer finally, but yet again, another poor defender. They'll score more, but that's not the only thing to basketball.
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I think he's done one of the better jobs of building a team. He started out with old, useless talent like Eisley, Shandon Anderson, etc., and has built a young team with a ton of potential.
In the present day league, it's hard enough to find one post presence on a team, much less 2 on one team.
Chemistry is still an issue, but at this point, I see it as being the biggest issue.
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I think he's done one of the better jobs of building a team. He started out with old, useless talent like Eisley, Shandon Anderson, etc., and has built a young team with a ton of potential.
In the present day league, it's hard enough to find one post presence on a team, much less 2 on one team.
Chemistry is still an issue, but at this point, I see it as being the biggest issue. |
Have you been asleep? He's created half of it, by bettering the mess that Layden did. It's really hard to out do Layden, but Isiah proved it, but doesn't surprise me from a guy who killed the CBA and destroyed the good Pacers that Bird left him.
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I think he's done one of the better jobs of building a team. He started out with old, useless talent like Eisley, Shandon Anderson, etc., and has built a young team with a ton of potential.
In the present day league, it's hard enough to find one post presence on a team, much less 2 on one team.
Chemistry is still an issue, but at this point, I see it as being the biggest issue. |
Have you been asleep? He's created half of it, by bettering the mess that Layden did. It's really hard to out do Layden, but Isiah proved it, but doesn't surprise me from a guy who killed the CBA and destroyed the good Pacers that Bird left him. |
Asleep? Come on. If they aren't on the roster anymore, then I don't really view them as killing the team with their contracts and bad play. They have some bad contracts on the team, as does every other team out there. Jerome James is a mistake, obviously. It was before Curry was a Knick. He overpaid for a player that had a career year. He's not the only one to do it. People put him down like he doesn't know talent, yet most teams would love to have a player like Curry that you could count on for baskets down low. The majority of his draft picks have been dead on as well.
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I think he's done one of the better jobs of building a team. He started out with old, useless talent like Eisley, Shandon Anderson, etc., and has built a young team with a ton of potential.
In the present day league, it's hard enough to find one post presence on a team, much less 2 on one team.
Chemistry is still an issue, but at this point, I see it as being the biggest issue. |
Have you been asleep? He's created half of it, by bettering the mess that Layden did. It's really hard to out do Layden, but Isiah proved it, but doesn't surprise me from a guy who killed the CBA and destroyed the good Pacers that Bird left him. |
Asleep? Come on. If they aren't on the roster anymore, then I don't really view them as killing the team with their contracts and bad play. They have some bad contracts on the team, as does every other team out there. Jerome James is a mistake, obviously. It was before Curry was a Knick. He overpaid for a player that had a career year. He's not the only one to do it. People put him down like he doesn't know talent, yet most teams would love to have a player like Curry that you could count on for baskets down low. The majority of his draft picks have been dead on as well. |
Most teams stopped chasing Curry because of his heart problems and weight issues. Earlier in his career when he was first drafted, yes, but his work habit s, weight, and heart problem made his value diminish highly. Bulls loved the draft picks though. Francis was one of the only bad contracts Isiah actually | | |
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