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RoadRunner
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| safe to say it now. but.... no walton for 4th or to start. he is so bad. he couldn't pass the ball to bynum at all. all he was able to do was to pass to kobe, or miss shots. i love the fact how our players went away from bynum when he was dominating. |
I wish Trev can just take most of Puke's mins... especially in the 4th  |
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Azndude2190
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. 
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knm131
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Honestly, I feel we would be a better team without Phil Jackson. |
Too bad your feelings are wrong ones =( |
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Critical Beatdown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| 5 missed ft's in the last 5mins. Odom didnt even bother to foul. |
He had no chance to foul, Monta was already gone.
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d.carter4kobe
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The major concern of this game to be is Andrew Bynum....10 freaking shots....and zero and the 4th??? WTF.....Kobe forceing everyshot he sees....Odom being Odom...... |
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Weezy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Lamar did not have a bad game, I don't see anyone saying that. Lamar was gobbling up rebounds, he was agressive from the start, he did everything we could ask of him all game, he was pretty good on defense too. The problem is he is not a 2nd option, we don't have one. When Kobe went down what did he do, nothing, when we needed him to be that 2nd guy at the end he screwed up. You HAVE to have that 2nd or 3rd guy and we don't, Kobe has a bad night, goes out with injury and we have no one to turn to in the clutch. Well we might, but it's not Odom.
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air_bryant08
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I'm pissed. WTF. Bynum had like zero touches the last 5 mins.
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Alleyhoops
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Weezy wrote: |
| This was just a horrible, horrible loss, 14 to 2 run. We were up by 8 with 3 minutes, no reason to lose this game. Great game by Bynum, good game by Lamar until the end, good game for Fish and Farmar, HORRIBLE game by Kobe (he's gonna have them once in a while) and not much from anyone else. Why no Ariza tonight, mystery to me? Too much Sasha, not enough Ariza. |
No Ariza because Jackson obviously wants Luke to have his child.
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odom1year
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Who is going to pay ODUM $14 million a year !!??  |
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GoldenChocobo
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| Look on the bright side. We still have two more games with these thugs. |
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hdtvset
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
If Odom could hold the ball and call time out...
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kosstick
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where are the odom nut huggers now? Kobe was playing with 3 different injures... Four Actually Back, Hip, Shoulder, and groin.. 6/23 alright crappy game..
But odom with the clutch Tos, I said thank god when he made that lay up just so he can brick a Ft then not be able to call a time out on the rebound and get it stolen.
TRADE LAMAR NOW HE IS NOT AN ALLSTAR NOT A SIDEKICK HE IS HORRIBBBLLLLEEE
13 mill a year for this P.O.S? |
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davriver290
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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as much as i hate to say this. odom is not the one to blame. blame it on kobe. his misses were ....... atrocious.
probably worst kobe's season for the past 5 years. |
I put the Blame on Both of them.
Kobe was taking horrible shots in the start, and when Kobe got hurt, Odom shouldve just took over. But didn't
that sequence when they stole the ball was an obvious foul. But Odom shouldve just hugged the ball and call a timeout.
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Critical Beatdown
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odom should've called a timeout...
oh well... its whatever |
Lamar never really had the ball. He tipped it to himself with his right hand, and when he was able to bring his left hand on to the ball to take possession, Monta got there at the same instant and knocked it out. Lamar just should have made the free throw, but so should have Fish, Kobe and Ronny.
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GT1
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone know why they didn't try to get Davis his sixth foul? |
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Critical Beatdown
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I predict Kwame will earn a suspension for the hit he puts on Barnes the next time we play.
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Azn Pinoy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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The Lakers can't win it all, oh well.
They have 5 upcoming games against Sub-.500 teams, Clippers, Bulls, Cavaliers, 76ers, and the Nicks. I can see the Lakers getting a 5 game winning streak, or at least 4 out of 5. Bright road ahead. |
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knm131
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
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davriver290
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where are the odom nut huggers now? Kobe was playing with 3 different injures... Four Actually Back, Hip, Shoulder, and groin.. 6/23 alright crappy game..
But odom with the clutch Tos, I said thank god when he made that lay up just so he can brick a Ft then not be able to call a time out on the rebound and get it stolen.
TRADE LAMAR NOW HE IS NOT AN ALLSTAR NOT A SIDEKICK HE IS HORRIBBBLLLLEEE
13 mill a year for this P.O.S? |
Um I think Lamar had a good game, remember to Kobe missed clutch freethrows against the Nets I think. The one thing that went wrong was when Kobe wanted to stay inside the game, Ariza shouldve been placed in.
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odom1year
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Good finish Lamar.
Kobe, you've got teammates. Get them involved. |
Those teammates miss the biggest shots when needed...
Warriors just won the NBA championship. |
Andrew didn't even touch the ball in the 4th |
Because all his teammates are watching and finding kobe in the 4th as usual. |
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UpsandDowns
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| UpsandDowns wrote: |
| Honestly, I feel we would be a better team without Phil Jackson. |
Too bad your feelings are wrong ones =( |
considering the sub patterns tonight and his past history of crappy sub patterns, I feel we could be a much better team with a younger coach aka Byron Scott.
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speedyx14
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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Where we lost this Game: 
Turnovers
Not getting the ball inside
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Critical Beatdown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| kosstick wrote: |
| where are the odom nut huggers now? |
Isn't this baiting according to the new rules?
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Helljumper
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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And here I was thinking we could extend this win steak to 10 . . .
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Punk-101
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Why no timeout on the ensuing turnover by lamar? that ones on phil.
Other than that, i was able to see into the future for the rest of the game. How? Lamar is consistent in one aspect.
When he had the ball isolated at the top of the key i could forsee one of two things: a long brick or a turnover in traffic. It was the TO.
I would have been ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED had lamar made that ft. I effing knew he was going to miss.
And then the missed rebound. Gosh.
He had a good game, but he's not the greatest at the end of games. we've seen it too much.
Odom's not nearly deserving of all the blame. this is just a little venting, thats all.
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Critical Beatdown
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
Yea, we should have just run the offense normally on that possession, I'm not sure why we did that in the first place.
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halekulani
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
| Azndude2190 wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
right
like the time he charged against the kings, which was followed by a brad miller 3pointer, mike bibby 3 pointer, overtime, and then a loss. |
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knm131
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I'm not going to argue with anyone that Lamar is clutch.
My point is simply this. If he is not clutch, why is the coach putting him in a position to do something he is not?
Secondly, if the goal of putting said player is to get him to become clutch, then why isn't he put in that position more often to give him an opportunity to succeed? |
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knm131
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
| Azndude2190 wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
I'm not defending Lamar ok ... he didn't play great. But his +/- (just checked) is the highest of all Lakers with +6.
Meaning, we did better with Lamar on the floor in this game than we did with any other Laker on the floor. Only Kobe (+1), and Farmar (+2) had a positive +/- in this game.
I would hasve liked to see Ariza get more minutes ... over 1-7 FG Luke Walton for example. |
Yeah but the problem is we need him to be clutch
...and that horrible sequence right there wasn't. |
I agree wtih you. It was TERRIBLE.
But you can't expect a guy to be clutch when you put him into a situation he is never ever in. Lamar NEVER EVER gets the ball, top of the arc, floor spread to make a play. He never gets that. Ever.
You put ANY player in that position and you're putting them in a position that's very difficult to succeed in. |
right
like the time he charged against the kings, which was followed by a brad miller 3pointer, mike bibby 3 pointer, overtime, and then a loss. |
Agreed. But that was like a year ago. As a coach, you can't set up a situation once a year and expect that to succeed.
You either don't ever set up that situation .....
.... or you do if often to get the player accustomed to it. |
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odom1year
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| knm131 wrote: |
| UpsandDowns wrote: |
| Honestly, I feel we would be a better team without Phil Jackson. |
Too bad your feelings are wrong ones =( |
Actually Phil is overpaid. |
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