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GCMD
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| Odom had the ball, he had it.... |
Impact...I keep saying it... |
Lamar was.....Lamar. When Kobe has an off night, it takes a miracle to win a game. We still should have won this though..........damn I'm pissed right now. |
The very definition of the 2nd option...we have to have a guy we can go to when Kobe gets hurt...
As is, this is lottery team any game Kobe isn't on or the BENCH doesn't step up.
For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now.
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wcsoldier81
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Andrew got one clear SINGLE touch in the post the whole game and he hit the hook .. all his points were putbacks and dunks .. unlike the 1st game against them , we fell into a jumpers contest  .. Lamar keeps missing layups and Kobe shot selection was horrible (anyways it has been for some games) .. he needs to stop pumpfaking , no one biting anymore .. |
i agree with the pump faking it used to have everyone biting but when they don't you are just forced into a out of rythm shot the likes of which kobe can't make as he showed tonight. |
yep it used to have everyone biting but now 90 % of defenders ain't biting anymore .. it results in bricks .. let's be honest most of these calls he gets on his fakes are superstar calls |
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PhifeDogg76
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im watching the replay and odom actually had possesion of that ball after the missed FT, but got it stripped right after
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halekulani
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i think kobe stopped passing to bynum when
a. fisher threw a lob to him like he was dwight
b. kobe made a pass off a double team except bynum wasn't paying attention.
still gotta go with the kid though
kobe sucked with all those forced shots. no doubt he was playing poorly.
walton sucked but nobody expects much from him nowadays |
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knm131
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| we were still up 6 with 3 minutes left ...... dont put all the blame on kobe (he deserves some) when others messed up too, we gave it up in those last 3 minutes including luke, odumb, and phil (for not putting ariza on baron earlier) |
Why? he was taking 20 footers on an injured leg, was piss poor shooting the ball, had 5 turnovers, and couldn't stay in front of anybody.
Kobe Sucking and Chucking up silly shots is Why we lost this game |
yeah okay, just blame ONLY him, and not the fact our defense was sorry when we were STILL up and we let them back in the game with horrible perimeter defense and letting them get 3 pointers to catch up and horrible passing by walton and odom... and those 5 turnovers were NOT at the end of the game WHEN WE WERE STILL UP, but yes, he was taking horrible shots, something i can agree with you |
The fact of the matter is that we live by Kobe and die by Kobe. We died by Kobe tonight. |
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thisbjgz
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to anyone who was blind, Bierdins was overplaying Bynum <- 1
everytime Lakers tried to pound the ball to Bynum it resulted in TO's because of poor execution and ball movement, no spacing no good entry pass < 2
so stop with the BS that No one was looking for Bynum, they clearly were
the whole blame should be on the Laker team, nobody played a perfect night, no Defense whatsoever down the stretch, no need to pull up scapegoats to ease your angry. just remember as Laker FANS we are ALL upset.
good night
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halekulani
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now. |
eh it's not that drastic
just mental mistakes
it'll take quite a few more games of 'losing when we should have won' before i decide to get angry at the FO again. |
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NY_Laker_Fan
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^^I agree 100%. Blaming Odom for this loss is the worst type of ignorant hate I have ever seen. It's sickening.
Odom played a helluva game. He and Bynum dominated the boards for us and made up for a terrible shooting night by both Kobe and Walton who were a combined 7 for 30. Odom also scored 6 of our last 10 to keep us in the game.
Christ people. Drop the damn, ignorant hatred for once and actually pay attention to the game. |
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PhifeDogg76
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| PhifeDogg76 wrote: |
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| we were still up 6 with 3 minutes left ...... dont put all the blame on kobe (he deserves some) when others messed up too, we gave it up in those last 3 minutes including luke, odumb, and phil (for not putting ariza on baron earlier) |
Why? he was taking 20 footers on an injured leg, was piss poor shooting the ball, had 5 turnovers, and couldn't stay in front of anybody.
Kobe Sucking and Chucking up silly shots is Why we lost this game |
yeah okay, just blame ONLY him, and not the fact our defense was sorry when we were STILL up and we let them back in the game with horrible perimeter defense and letting them get 3 pointers to catch up and horrible passing by walton and odom... and those 5 turnovers were NOT at the end of the game WHEN WE WERE STILL UP, but yes, he was taking horrible shots, something i can agree with you |
The fact of the matter is that we live by Kobe and die by Kobe. We died by Kobe tonight. |
i have to agree with that also, i just cant say HE IS THE ONLY ONE TO BLAME, i do say that odom couldve played A LOT better at the end and that he had a really bad turnover at the end and that he also had the ball off the missed FT, but yeah, everyone played horrible in the end ... so couldve luke and kobe too
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NY_Laker_Fan
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| GCMD wrote: |
| Legendary wrote: |
| GCMD wrote: |
| Weezy wrote: |
| Odom had the ball, he had it.... |
Impact...I keep saying it... |
Lamar was.....Lamar. When Kobe has an off night, it takes a miracle to win a game. We still should have won this though..........damn I'm pissed right now. |
The very definition of the 2nd option...we have to have a guy we can go to when Kobe gets hurt...
As is, this is lottery team any game Kobe isn't on or the BENCH doesn't step up.
For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now. |
One loss. It was one loss.
Christ.
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NY_Laker_Fan
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| I swear I believe these pretender Laker fans waited for more than a week ... praying for a loss ... just so they could spout their sickening nonsense. |
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Amazing Grace
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I'm gonna go cry myself to sleep now
Thanks a lot effin Lakers
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derrick
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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The very definition of the 2nd option...we have to have a guy we can go to when Kobe gets hurt...
As is, this is lottery team any game Kobe isn't on or the BENCH doesn't step up.
For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now. |
great points GCMD what they did was amazingly effective. what i'm wondering is
1. is there a way the lakers could have adapted to get bynum more touches in their offense?
2. if there was why do you think we did not make the changes?
2a. if there wasn't, shouldn't GS just play us like this always to shut bynum down? |
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GCMD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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We can blame Lamar all we want, but he hasn't had the ball in that position, the entire game I don't think.
It's been Kobe all game long. Top key, dribble left/right, pull up crap jumper.
You give the ball to a guy ONE time in a game, and expect him to make the play when the leader can't get it done getting the ball EVERY possession of that game? |
I've been watchin LO for years, and clutch is something he definitely isn't. |
 
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What we need to do is just blow up this team.
Stick a fork in Kobe ... he's done as an NBA player.
We should either trade him for expirings, or just waive him if we can. |
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| ROFL, Lamar proving time and time again why he's a choker. Misses the FT, can't get the timeout, can't do anything right. |
Just luck of the draw...no big.
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Good finish Lamar.
Kobe, you've got teammates. Get them involved. |
Good finish by what standards. Odom is not clutch, he proved that. He made a good layup yeah, but he missed the ft, and on the previous posession he got stripped and fell down. If we truly had a 2nd guy he would come in and be able to carry us while Kobe was out. |
And when Kobe comes out and asks him to take over...
But really. Did you expect anything different? 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Legendary wrote: |
| GCMD wrote: |
| Weezy wrote: |
| Odom had the ball, he had it.... |
Impact...I keep saying it... |
Lamar was.....Lamar. When Kobe has an off night, it takes a miracle to win a game. We still should have won this though..........damn I'm pissed right now. |
Sums it up for me. He had a good game, but I can't remember the last time I was that furious after a game or a play for that matter. My language certainly wasn't PG-13.
There definitely was something wrong with Kobe tonight ... was it his groin? He seemed to have trouble pushing off his leg and getting to the basket. Didn't take it to the basket enough at all, but I'm guessing that injury affected him. Never seen him get subbed out in the last couple of minutes ... I hope it's not too serious.
And I don't care how bad of a shooting night he was having, you at least take that timeout to get him back into the game.
Terrible coaching tonight. No idea why we didn't continue to attack Baron Davis when he had his 5th foul.
Ariza didn't see enough PT and we were stuck with matadors at the 3.
That loss really was unnecessary. We had the game in our hands. I know this might sound bitter, but the Warriors are not that good.
Someone cue Dennis Green.
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GCMD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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The very definition of the 2nd option...we have to have a guy we can go to when Kobe gets hurt...
As is, this is lottery team any game Kobe isn't on or the BENCH doesn't step up.
For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now. |
great points GCMD what they did was amazingly effective. what i'm wondering is
1. is there a way the lakers could have adapted to get bynum more touches in their offense?
2. if there was why do you think we did not make the changes?
2a. if there wasn't, shouldn't GS just play us like this always to shut bynum down? |
If Kobe wasn't so banged up, he would have broken down the defense to get Biedrens to come out enough that Bynum would have EASILY finished over Barnes or Harrington.
If LO was able to create off the dribble, that would have been another option.
Kobe tried to play P&R with him for a while but he just didn't have the lateral movement to get around his man enough to get a clean pass to Bynum...he saw him and Bynum was ready, he just couldn't get to him...
They could have also put LO in the high post and get him to back his man down. That would have been enough to draw attention from Bynum.
Hitting open J's also force the defense to adjust and leave Bynum open.
They made a concerted effort to NOT let Bynum get those lobs or easy offensive putbacks. They had at least 2 people guarding at all times.
We could have countered but we didn't and they took advantage of it.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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For everyone saying why Bynum didn't get touches in the end???
Did you NOT see Biedrens OVERPLAYING Bynum?
Did you NOT see the back to back TURNOVERS when they tried to FORCE the ball INTO Bynum???
Come on, now...I know you're upset but you can't let your basketball IQ take a vacation because of it.
Bottom line: We need another go-to guy. Plain and simple.
Do what you want. Keep LO. Keep Bynum. Keep Critt/Farmar...
But we have to do something...that was Kobe's message.
Do something and do it now. |
eh it's not that drastic
just mental mistakes
it'll take quite a few more games of 'losing when we should have won' before i decide to get angry at the FO again. |
To each his own...
I've seen enough "should have won" games slip away because Kobe wasn't at his best and there wasn't much else going for the Lakers that I can safely say that this isn't going anywhere.
I'm not basing my assessment on this game...try the last 3 years.
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halekulani
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it's not that i want to see more of these types of games, but i don't think this one is as bad considering the circumstances
GS @ home
baron davis the big game player knocking down 3's even though he's a career 40% shooter
kobe injured
luke just not being last year's luke
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the FO earned a spot for me temporarily with the ariza move. |
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GCMD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| halekulani wrote: |
it's not that i want to see more of these types of games, but i don't think this one is as bad considering the circumstances
GS @ home
baron davis the big game player knocking down 3's even though he's a career 40% shooter
kobe injured
luke just not being last year's luke
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the FO earned a spot for me temporarily with the ariza move. |
Not a bad win if you enjoy being mediocre.
Good teams win the games they are supposed to win.
Good teams don't fold in the last quarter with the lead.
Good teams...
By all of the accepted criteria, we are not a good team. If that's what you're into, the current Lakers are for you.
If you want more, you make a move. Time is not going to turn milk into ICE CREAM...you let milk sit and it goes bad. You put a little elbow grease into and you get ice cream.
I want ICE CREAM...the milk we have right now has been sitting out for too long. But hey, what do I know...maybe you're right and I'm just over-reacting...
Either way, we're still Laker fans. 
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Just takin it one game at a time, first half was great, second half as usual kills us. Kobe should've played better today instead of taking a lot of forced shots, bynum and odom's stats were great, both pulled out with a double double.
Ariza should've been in to guard Davis though. sucks
but like i said earlier, one game at a time, don't we have one of the most difficult schedules in the NBA? |
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this whole playoff hype is really weird, with the yellow shirts and then watching nba.com's " highlights " which shows baron hitting the shot then it saying where amazing happens... makes me kinda ill , this isnt the NFL this is a LONG season yet theyre trying to over hype themselves.
i know phil says rad is the wild card, but i think odom really is. |
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PhifeDogg76
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bynum looks like he rapping in the background
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