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kobe35ppg

Joined: 05 Oct 2006 Posts: 1104 Location: TO THE PROMISE LAND
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Walton's "Clutch Moments" |
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If any of you remember, back in the 04-05 sesaon, Walton made a similiar mistake in the clutch against the Knicks where kobe gave walton the ball and he passed it back to kobe eventhough kobe was trapped and couldn't get a shot up. What is Walton doing. All he had to do was catch and shoot an open three. _________________
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halekulani

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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dunno
he's scared to take that last shot. |
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BDG ClubLakers.com Administrator

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 35012 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get it either.
For a player that's regarded as having "high basketball IQ" he makes too many mistakes in the clutch.
How do you not know the clock there?
I expected it though. I almost wanted Kobe to take that three doubled instead of giving it to Luke because I knew he would screw it up. _________________
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nicehair911 Still Waiting For Ron

Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 10153 Location: Wit so much drama in da LBC it's kinda hard bein Snoop D-O double G
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Lamar or someone should have been cutting cross court to get an open shot. Lamar, Fisher, and Odom were all crowded on one side.
Walton also got us a clutch steal against Lebron.
But still Luke is a bum, he needs to be playing alot better than he has. You'd think he'd be a little better with all that complaining his dad does about Kobe. _________________
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Weezy

Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Posts: 21596 Location: Anaheim, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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It's exactly what Phil said after the Seattle game, guys out there are a little shy, or was it gun shy. Either way, nobody wants the responsibility of taking the last shot, that's why Kobe takes them, he's not afraid to fail. Fish would take it, Farmar would take it, hell Sasha would take it, but Luke got scared and saw his security blanket Kobe and passed it back, just like in NY. I'm surprised Kobe didn't yell 'SHOOT THE F'ING BALL" at him again, I would have. _________________ Weezy's Weemens
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gio

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 267
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| he shouldnt have been out there no knock on luke but the man's confidence is at a all time low. but phil has faith in him and i have faith in phil so hopefully luke will shake this off |
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number8

Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 1422 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| BDG wrote: |
I don't get it either.
For a player that's regarded as having "high basketball IQ" he makes too many mistakes in the clutch.
How do you not know the clock there?
I expected it though. I almost wanted Kobe to take that three doubled instead of giving it to Luke because I knew he would screw it up. |
I don't know why Phil trusts him in those situations. |
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Joe_Blow
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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I was hoping for Bill Walton's analysis post-game... "take the shot, Luke, take the shot!" _________________ B. Diddy on Drew: "That boy's gonna be a beast.'' |
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Paul Clublakers Rep: Germany/Poland

Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 3235 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thats Luke "High BBall IQ" Walton.
He knew that he couldnt make the shot, no matter if he´s open or not, so he passed it to Kobe.  _________________
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mest5621
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| luke was afraid to take the last shot of the game you can tell when kobe passed it to him then he passed it back to kobe then next thing you know we didnt even get the freaking shot off in time to go for a tie |
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halekulani

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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that was a lame lineup
i wish sasha touched that ball b/c u know he would fire without hesitation + fast release. |
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MDI

Joined: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 5969 Location: On the dance floor with Megan
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Its time for Kobe to go on those 40+ point games
this team-ball thing is not working with these guys (we're really really short handed and these guys are not stepping up) |
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Shadow

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly, he's from San Diego  |
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Massacre Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| BDG wrote: |
I don't get it either.
For a player that's regarded as having "high basketball IQ" he makes too many mistakes in the clutch.
How do you not know the clock there?
I expected it though. I almost wanted Kobe to take that three doubled instead of giving it to Luke because I knew he would screw it up. |
My thoughts exactly. How is Kobe going to release a shot with no time left on the clock? You were in a better position Luke, and you had a better chance to give us the W. You have to take the basket in that situation. Kobe drew the double and I think he had more than enough time to release a good shot before the Cleveland defender recovered. _________________
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nameant

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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You think if Sasha got that shot he would have hesitated? _________________
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assassin08

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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Lamar or someone should have been cutting cross court to get an open shot. Lamar, Fisher, and Odom were all crowded on one side.
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Now I know what the commotion is about: we got TWO Lamar Odoms!!!
jokes aside though, that was a very disappointing finish...  _________________ "I've learned that I have the strength to change."
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halekulani

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| You think if Sasha got that shot he would have hesitated? |
hell no. |
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Questionmark

Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 2499 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ironically enough, we face the Knicks next.
I don't know what to say about Walton or this game. It almost seems like someone wants Lakers/Cavs games to be decided in the final minute of the game. This is the either the third or fourth game in a row we lost to the Cavs in the final minute. |
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KB24@CL Clublakers Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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It was Phils mistake...
we should have had
Fisher
Sasha
Kobe
Radbrick
Farmar
on the floor....
Phil has made some dumb decisions..but having a dumb team doesnt help either... _________________
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"Basketball doesn't build character. It reveals it"
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kray28

Joined: 09 May 2007 Posts: 5097 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Luke has no business in the NBA, let alone starting for an NBA team.
That was the ultimate act of basketball cowardice there. |
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DHL

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| nameant wrote: |
| You think if Sasha got that shot he would have hesitated? |
did sasha hesitate on the shot he got before the 3rd quarter ended? _________________ Lakers fan since 1997 |
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Vasashi17 Clublakers Moderator

Joined: 04 Jul 2003 Posts: 9987 Location: Reppin' the Golden (& Purple) State - From Da Bay to LA
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Good overall game by Luke...but sadly its going to be skewed now cause of that last play.
That whole play was designed for Kobe to take it. When Kobe passed it to Luke, I think the Cavs actually played it real well. It wasn't a very good look from deep, even if he took it.
Still, it should have been taken.
Any shot taken is better than no shot being taken. _________________
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air_bryant08

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder what Kobe was thinking after Walton passed the ball back to him. B/c they showed Kobe after the final buzzer. And he was just walking. But I bet inside he was just going all out. _________________
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assassin08

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BDG wrote: |
I don't get it either.
For a player that's regarded as having "high basketball IQ" he makes too many mistakes in the clutch.
How do you not know the clock there?
I expected it though. I almost wanted Kobe to take that three doubled instead of giving it to Luke because I knew he would screw it up. |
My thoughts exactly. How is Kobe going to release a shot with no time left on the clock? You were in a better position Luke, and you had a better chance to give us the W. You have to take the basket in that situation. Kobe drew the double and I think he had more than enough time to release a good shot before the Cleveland defender recovered. |
I think Luke was gonna shoot it, until he realized that he was inside the 3-pt line, which is why he dribbled back out, but by then LeBron was able to recover from doubling Kobe. That's when Luke froze and made the bad pass-back to Kobe. _________________ "I've learned that I have the strength to change."
- Al Pacino as Michael Corleone
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JShow34
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Of course he is hesitant to take the last shot. He's been in the NBA for over 4 years and he's probably had the ball in his hands during the last seconds about zero times! Look, if you want to point fingers point them at our 6'11 13 million dollar finesse 2 guard. If he had half the heart a guy like Turiaf has he'd be a 25, 12, 5 guy (no pun intended). Walton should be no more than a 4th or 5th option and is a tremendous role player.
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nameant

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| nameant wrote: |
| You think if Sasha got that shot he would have hesitated? |
did sasha hesitate on the shot he got before the 3rd quarter ended? |
Nope. My point exactly. That's Phil's bad. Know your personnel. You want guys who won't hesitate to shoot out there. You KNOW Kobe is going to get doubled and you KNOW some1 is going to get a look. Unfortunately, it was Luke. Had it been Farmar, Vlad, Fish, or Sasha, that shot would've been up in a heartbeat. _________________
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hdtvset

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Where was Sasha when we needed him?  _________________
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BDG ClubLakers.com Administrator

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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halekulani and KB24@CL you have a point.
If Phil wasn't so in love with Luke on the floor, we could have at least played Sasha around that point.
Sasha actually had played a good game and was knocking down shots.
I don't understand what Luke could even bring to the team with 9 seconds left anyway. That's not enough time to actually run the offense, where Luke supposedly is at his most effective. _________________
Slava laughed at the suggestion his skills might be affected by the down time. "Are you kidding?" he said. "Basketball is like ball. It's all a circle."
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kray28

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| air_bryant08 wrote: |
| I wonder what Kobe was thinking after Walton passed the ball back to him. B/c they showed Kobe after the final buzzer. And he was just walking. But I bet inside he was just going all out. |
He was probably headed to the nearest bathroom to go and hurl. |
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number8

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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I just re-watched the last play. No excuse for Luke not to be ready to catch and shoot, but I don't know why Kobe didn't pass it to Fish who was also open. |
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