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| I just want the Lakers to make it to the playoffs healthy with Pau,Bynum,Ariza,Mihm back ready to go. |
basically. It doesn't matter what happens now if those guys aren't back healthy. |
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KB+KG=DOMINATION
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| hahahaha, why is the rockets bench standing up as if they are about to rush the floor to celebrate the championship? |
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dude, they just won 22 straight. we'd be doing the same thing.. |
Yeah.Give the Rockets Credit.They are playing the Right way and Have rallied around there fallen Comrade Yao Ming. I wish the Lakers Could have done the same thing when Andrew first went down and now with Pau out. Say what you want, but the Rockets are looking like a championship team. Imagine if the still had Yao.Scary.Folks might be saying Rockets>>>>Lakers, cuz they actually Defend people or 48 minutes. |
you are bonkers if you think they can win a title they have no inside presence name the last team to win a title with out an inside presence
what the bulls well the had jordan and pippen
this team is all perimeter as we saw offensively and if we had our post presence we would have blew them out because we could have gotten some easy baskets.
we saw what happens when they are off against atlanta and if that had been us they were off against we would have laid them down
they happened to be on fire today from 3 and thats what beat us we played well enough offensively to win in the second half. |
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Cody
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| chug o nomics wrote: |
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He has just one bad game? The MVP award is for the best consistent player. Kobe has had some pretty bad stretches. |
not nearly as much as you make it seem. If people watch other MVP candidates and teams, they'll see that they are all human. No one is as "consistent" that you want them to be. |
No they aren't. But the one thing they do have is composure. You don't see them slacking off in transition D just to complain to a ref. You don't see them give up on the gameplan just to show that he's not going to get outmatched by some scrub making a 3 after Kobe makes a move. |
you don't see Kobe shooting 4/16 either. And TMAC is a MVP candidate as well. seriously, quit crying, it's annoying.
where do you live btw? we should meet at a gym somewhere, I want to embarrass you and then laugh at how you can't stay in front of me, or make your "layups" when I swat your elbows every time.
that was a serious offer btw. |
LOL real mature. Did I even mention that I played basketball well? Just cuz you're not good at sometime doesn't mean you can't criticize someone else. If that was the case, no one here would be able to say anything about any professional player. Nice logic. |
I'm trying to make a point. It's harder than it looks. No one would have done a better job in Kobe's shoes.
I can only imagine what you'd be saying about tmac right now if you were a Rocket fan. You'd be blaming it on Kobe's defense, no doubt.
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chug o nomics
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I've praised Kobe time and time again for his defense. He has the ability to be one of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Instead, he gambles too much and is in a constant whine mode. Sure, he has very little help defense. But on the flip side, Kobe is often trying to help out when the help isn't needed and is absent when the help is actually needed. |
I would love to see how you would react when you get hit everytime you drive and you have nothing to show for it.
Kobe's defense isn't at its maximum potential, I agree, though. |
I absolutely agree with you 100% that Kobe gets a lot of no calls. Really, I do see so many fouls. However, the difference between a me and Kobe (there are many trust me ) is that he is a professional. He should complain when the ball is dead. Go to the official, make eye contact, tell him/her that he got bumped. But for the love of god, please don't stay around in a tantrum while the other team is racing to score.
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| Banzai wrote: |
| glad this game is over..now I have some closure...Rocket fans can enjoy #1 seed..they will just have a target on their back like they do now...I just want the Lakers to make it to the playoffs healthy with Pau,Bynum,Ariza,Mihm back ready to go. |
Great post.
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chug o nomics
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That chain is getting a bit large, so I'll just quote you here...
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I'm trying to make a point. It's harder than it looks. No one would have done a better job in Kobe's shoes.
I can only imagine what you'd be saying about tmac right now if you were a Rocket fan. You'd be blaming it on Kobe's defense, no doubt. |
I definitely agree that it's harder than it looks. I know I've been critical about Kobe, but the main reason is that he hasn't played as intelligently as he could. For all I care, he could be 0-20 if he's getting good looks. I commend him for his great play. However, the shots aren't going down, Lamar was hot. Feed him the ball.
Kobe didn't play Tmac for the full game, but when he did, he did pretty well. It's just his help defense and his lack of a perimeter defense was taxing to watch. Not to mention his transition D.
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tjlakers
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a 22 game winning streak will mean nothing when they get exited in the 1st round
they simply are not that good from what i saw
they just aren't
the lakers(healthy)
the spurs
the suns
the mavs
the warriors
the hornets
are all much better than this team by a long shot i'm sorry they are winning purely on energy and hitting jumpshots but when the playoffs come and the games slow down they will not win any games.
i honestly see golden state going further than houston they play with just as much energy but actually have talent.
i see this houston team losing in 5 games to whoever they play |
they play great defense. that's how they're winning.. |
their defense is all energy and once they lose that energy will leave them they will get smacked down by boston unless somebody gets injured on boston in the next 48 hours |
Hogwash. The cliche that defense is all about "will" and "commitment" or "energy" needs to be put to rest. It's also about ability. Some players have the instincts, quickness and endurance (especially lateral quickness) to defend well, others don't. The Lakers played about as hard as they can play today, and they played terrible D. We have some terrific scorers on this team, but not many defenders. That's just the way we're built. |
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| You guys are a bunch of babies. It's one freakin game. Oh well. This is the highlight of the Rockets season right here. We have higher hopes. Remember that. |
The Rockets obviously have the same 'hopes.' And it's not just "one freaking game" for them, it's the 22nd freaking game in a row.
Congrats to them for taking the WC lead. The showed why they deserve it today. Terrific defensive play throughout. |
yone who thinks the rockets have even a glimmer of hope at the title has not watched basketball for more than this year
the last wat 7 championships have featured shaq, tim duncan, and rasheed wallace some of the best low post scorers in the game
the rockets will not even make it past the 1st round.
nameant's right we aren't going for regular season accolades we have bigger things on our mind things that involve a gold trophy |
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nbafan
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I absolutely agree with you 100% that Kobe gets a lot of no calls. Really, I do see so many fouls. However, the difference between a me and Kobe (there are many trust me ) is that he is a professional. He should complain when the ball is dead. Go to the official, make eye contact, tell him/her that he got bumped. But for the love of god, please don't stay around in a tantrum while the other team is racing to score. |
While I agree that Kobe shouldn't complain everytime, you act as if Kobe doesn't do what you are saying.. he does that, too.. to try to explain his view.. but when you are facing an uphill battle with the refs, you get that much more emotional.. plus with a foul, it's almost always other guys who have to pick up in transition.. not just with Kobe.. a guy who gets fouled driving and doesn't get the call is already in a bad position coming back as he is going forward.. it's a team game.. not just on the offensive end. |
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| Kobe has lost his MVP chances today. |
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Geez, whatever folks, we got our butts handed to us, bottom line.. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. They played better than us, they made shots that we couldn't make to save our lives.. We just gotta some MFers that can knock down a shot or five... And quit making every team's PG look like freaking Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson rolled into one.. I did like Sasha standing up for himself and the team at the end, and I wouldn't exactly cry if Alston shredded a ligament or three, but it is what it is.. We lost, they didn't.. We move on to Dallas..
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nbafan
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| For all I care, he could be 0-20 if he's getting good looks. I commend him for his great play. |
LOL.. you are just saying that.. that's emotional speak. |
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chug o nomics
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I absolutely agree with you 100% that Kobe gets a lot of no calls. Really, I do see so many fouls. However, the difference between a me and Kobe (there are many trust me ) is that he is a professional. He should complain when the ball is dead. Go to the official, make eye contact, tell him/her that he got bumped. But for the love of god, please don't stay around in a tantrum while the other team is racing to score. |
While I agree that Kobe shouldn't complain everytime, you act as if Kobe doesn't do what you are saying.. he does that, too.. to try to explain his view.. but when you are facing an uphill battle with the refs, you get that much more emotional.. plus with a foul, it's almost always other guys who have to pick up in transition.. not just with Kobe.. a guy who gets fouled driving and doesn't get the call is already in a bad position coming back as he is going forward.. it's a team game.. not just on the offensive end. |
Definitely agree with you there. I haven't give Kobe enough credit for that and I truly apologize for that. I hope I don't send the wrong message that I'm a Kobe hater or anything. I love Kobe, he's myf avorite player. It's just I've seen the level at which he can play and sometimes I take that for granted.
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| Cody wrote: |
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a 22 game winning streak will mean nothing when they get exited in the 1st round
they simply are not that good from what i saw
they just aren't
the lakers(healthy)
the spurs
the suns
the mavs
the warriors
the hornets
are all much better than this team by a long shot i'm sorry they are winning purely on energy and hitting jumpshots but when the playoffs come and the games slow down they will not win any games.
i honestly see golden state going further than houston they play with just as much energy but actually have talent.
i see this houston team losing in 5 games to whoever they play |
they play great defense. that's how they're winning.. |
their defense is all energy and once they lose that energy will leave them they will get smacked down by boston unless somebody gets injured on boston in the next 48 hours |
Hogwash. The cliche that defense is all about "will" and "commitment" or "energy" needs to be put to rest. It's also about ability. Some players have the instincts, quickness and endurance (especially lateral quickness) to defend well, others don't. The Lakers played about as hard as they can play today, and they played terrible D. We have some terrific scorers on this team, but not many defenders. That's just the way we're built. |
acutally when they played with energy in the third they effectively shut down the rockets then they stopped playing that hard.
defense is all about taking no possessions off and giving 100% on every play
something that is a skill but a skill that can be learned |
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| about the true fans sitting only in the 300s.. watch yourself.. seriously.. i sat on the floor.. 5th row.. and i cheered my lungs out till the security told me to shut up.. yah sure, most of them aren't gonna go crazy like me probably cause those are all mostly season ticket holders and they go to every home game.. and theyre well.. mostly old.. so yah.. don't say the true fans only sit in the 300s. |
seriously, im so sick of that generalization. its jealousy.
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| For all I care, he could be 0-20 if he's getting good looks. I commend him for his great play. |
LOL.. you are just saying that.. that's emotional speak. |
LOL, I should have added another line between the two. What I meant is that I praise Kobe when he's deserving of it.
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| KB+KG=DOMINATION wrote: |
| Cody wrote: |
| KB+KG=DOMINATION wrote: |
a 22 game winning streak will mean nothing when they get exited in the 1st round
they simply are not that good from what i saw
they just aren't
the lakers(healthy)
the spurs
the suns
the mavs
the warriors
the hornets
are all much better than this team by a long shot i'm sorry they are winning purely on energy and hitting jumpshots but when the playoffs come and the games slow down they will not win any games.
i honestly see golden state going further than houston they play with just as much energy but actually have talent.
i see this houston team losing in 5 games to whoever they play |
they play great defense. that's how they're winning.. |
their defense is all energy and once they lose that energy will leave them they will get smacked down by boston unless somebody gets injured on boston in the next 48 hours |
Hogwash. The cliche that defense is all about "will" and "commitment" or "energy" needs to be put to rest. It's also about ability. Some players have the instincts, quickness and endurance (especially lateral quickness) to defend well, others don't. The Lakers played about as hard as they can play today, and they played terrible D. We have some terrific scorers on this team, but not many defenders. That's just the way we're built. |
its a combination. the lakers played as good defense as the had for the third quarter and part of the fourth. they held the rockets scoreless for the first 6 minutes ofr the third quarter, and to only three points for the first 9 minutes. you need abiulity to play defense but you also need the will and energy. sometimes guys like farmar and sasha and vald can be some of our best defender getting tons of steals and easy hoops. other games they can't defend a fence.
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| Kobe has lost his MVP chances today. |
so did lebron lose them against washington did chris paul lose them today
some of you guys are ridiculous there is still 15 games to be played |
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I just hope they realize that defense is what's it's going to take to win a championship this year. Now lets hope we get healthy and step up the defense.
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Rafer Alston has made his best game ever. Udrih and TJ Ford made it against Lakers too. We have a serious backcourt D trouble.
Anyway, Gasol has ruined us. (he did the same with the Grizzlies the last season) |
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| tjlakers wrote: |
| KB+KG=DOMINATION wrote: |
| Cody wrote: |
| KB+KG=DOMINATION wrote: |
a 22 game winning streak will mean nothing when they get exited in the 1st round
they simply are not that good from what i saw
they just aren't
the lakers(healthy)
the spurs
the suns
the mavs
the warriors
the hornets
are all much better than this team by a long shot i'm sorry they are winning purely on energy and hitting jumpshots but when the playoffs come and the games slow down they will not win any games.
i honestly see golden state going further than houston they play with just as much energy but actually have talent.
i see this houston team losing in 5 games to whoever they play |
they play great defense. that's how they're winning.. |
their defense is all energy and once they lose that energy will leave them they will get smacked down by boston unless somebody gets injured on boston in the next 48 hours |
Hogwash. The cliche that defense is all about "will" and "commitment" or "energy" needs to be put to rest. It's also about ability. Some players have the instincts, quickness and endurance (especially lateral quickness) to defend well, others don't. The Lakers played about as hard as they can play today, and they played terrible D. We have some terrific scorers on this team, but not many defenders. That's just the way we're built. |
its a combination. the lakers played as good defense as the had for the third quarter and part of the fourth. they held the rockets scoreless for the first 6 minutes ofr the third quarter, and to only three points for the first 9 minutes. you need abiulity to play defense but you also need the will and energy. sometimes guys like farmar and sasha and vald can be some of our best defender getting tons of steals and easy hoops. other games they can't defend a fence. |
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chug o nomics
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I just hope they realize that defense is what's it's going to take to win a championship this year. Now lets hope we get healthy and step up the defense.
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Amen to that.
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Rafer Alston has made his best game ever. Udrih and TJ Ford made it against Lakers too. We have a serious backcourt D trouble.
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I agree.. Point guards have been killing us pretty much all season. 
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we need a defensive minded PG in the worst way its been forever since we've had a PG that can play any kind of consistent defense for a season.
farmar will never be a starter in this league he will always be a great bench guy we need a ron harper kind of guy to come in and we know the opposing team PG will do nothing for the time hes in |
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I think I've calmed down from the loss and I'm looking forward to the next game. Hopefully we learn from these mistakes, but I have yet to see evidence that certain players we have can adjust mid season.
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Rafer Alston has made his best game ever. Udrih and TJ Ford made it against Lakers too. We have a serious backcourt D trouble.
Anyway, Gasol has ruined us. (he did the same with the Grizzlies the last season) |
gasol saved our season |
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| we need to make a aerious and i mean serious run at either kyle lowry or chris duhon this offseason |
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chug o nomics
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we need a defensive minded PG in the worst way its been forever since we've had a PG that can play any kind of consistent defense for a season.
farmar will never be a starter in this league he will always be a great bench guy we need a ron harper kind of guy to come in and we know the opposing team PG will do nothing for the time hes in |
Seriously, we need to spend our 2nd this year on a defensive minded player. Who cares if the player can play offense or not, we just need someone who will catch the ball, decently pass, and play aggressive defense for the 15 minutes he's in.
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Let me play. I'm a great defender on the pick and roll. Seriously I'm pretty good on the defensive end. 
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nbafan
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| Nak wrote: |
| Kobe has lost his MVP chances today. |
so did lebron lose them against washington did chris paul lose them today
some of you guys are ridiculous there is still 15 games to be played |
LOL.. people get so emotional with regards to Kobe. Nobody denies it was such a bad game for Kobe today and he had a great opportunity to add to his MVP campaign.. but, hey, it happens.. like I said, no MVP player is actually as consistent as you want them to be.. it's just we are laker fans and we don't miss any of their games... but I do watch other NBA games consistently.. |
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