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LoyalLakerfan44
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Six additional weeks means Bynum will not be back period!
The Lakers will not survive the playoffs without him so we can just start enjoying what they've accomplished this year and wait for the next. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| netlordr23 wrote: |
He is not going to come on the middle of the playoffs, and play straight away. IMO
He needs adjustment, and that is not going to come in training itself, and I dont think the playoffs is a good training ground... |
Andrew has great chemistry with our second unit.
It makes no sense not to give him 10-15 minutes of run with that group, even in the play-offs, if he is ready.
part of the reason we had so much success early, is that our second unit was able to create separation during the stretches of the game when it was our reserves vs. our opponents reserves.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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the lakers said originally "at least eight weeks" - that's why right now they're saying "indefinitely" because that's an accurate statement.
the doctor's give their best estimate - the Lakers roll it out - and people assume it's law - when it's just a doctor looking at what he can glean - and making a guess.
everyone's body is unique - and heals at different rates - in addition the severity of injuries are varied - and in the knee specifically - hard to diagnose. |
Thank you, thank you, thank you.. People are taking that "at least eight weeks" as the be-all, end-all gospel or something.. I can't even stomach going into the other threads calling for Vitti's head because Andrew and Trevor have taken awhile to come back.. Trevor broke a freakin bone in his foot, and Andrew F'd up his knee pretty damn good, and you are right, it is a complicated part of your body, esp for an athlete..
Whatever, look, I'm not some kool-aid drinker that's gonna believe everything that comes outta John Black or even Phil's piehole, but for people to jump on the Suns medical staff's collective jock because Shaq obviously dogged it in Miami and made a "miracle" recovery when he went to a PHX is a freakin joke.. Sh.. happens, injuries happen, and I STILL think we got a chance at the title, even without Bynum in there. Obviously he would help, but he ain't here and we as fans can't do a damn thing about it but root for our team and NOT just give up before the playoffs are even set and we haven't played a single postseason game yet..
My name AIN'T Chicken Little, and I'm gonna go ahead and root my damn team, no matter who's on the roster, who's coaching, who's giving our guy's treatment in the locker room.. |
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lakerfan2
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Here was a little insight from Gumby from the Bynum thread on the 6 weeks rumor...
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Ok so here is what i hear/understand...
First off, there is a reason it can go from 3 days to x amount of weeks. The Dr. he went to see in NY is one of if not the most highly regarded knee specialist in the country. He knows knees better than anyone Drew had previously seen so it is very possibly he could have seen something or known something that other doctors didnt.
As for the 6 weeks, from what i understand that is not a definite time frame. What i hear is that it is basically up to Drew as to when his pain subsides completely and at that point he can then start to fully work out and then play. It may not take 6 weeks but in my oppinion i wouldnt expect him to be playing or working out with the team for atleast another week. |
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| Its all a guessing game, it could take the 6 weeks, it could not. Its up to when his pain subsides and no one is in control of that. Its not about toughening up and playing with pain either b/c if theres pain that continues for a while more there may be a bigger problem and its not worth it to risk injuring yourself even more. |
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Alleyhoops
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder what the bookmaker's odds would be that this injury/rehab issue will stretch into next year's training camp? Are people here confident that it won't? Hmm.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| I think Bynum is pulling a Vince so that he gets his contract this year, instead of the next. I don't see how he can go from not feeling any pain anymore to feeling a lot of pain, without doing anything new in a couple of days. |
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jlkr
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| Knees are funny things. I had meniscus tear surgery over a year ago. The doctor said I should be fully recovered to run in about 8 weeks or so. Well I could use an elliptical trainer within that 2 months, but I couldn't run without pain for at least 6 months. I went back to the doctor and there was basically nothing he could do about it: only time would heal it. So I feel for Bynum and I don't think it's the medical staff's fault for anything as everyone has their own recovery rate. |
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| jlkr, in the previous PA, Bynum said he's fine and doesn't feel pain anymore, than in the last one he makes it sound like someone ram a truck in his knee. |
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fanboyslim
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| jlkr, in the previous PA, Bynum said he's fine and doesn't feel pain anymore, than in the last one he makes it sound like someone ram a truck in his knee. |
That's typical in fact. You don't feel pain so you practice harder. Then your knee suffers from the extra stress. It's not necessarily bad. |
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Azn Pinoy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| fanboyslim wrote: |
| BB wrote: |
| jlkr, in the previous PA, Bynum said he's fine and doesn't feel pain anymore, than in the last one he makes it sound like someone ram a truck in his knee. |
That's typical in fact. You don't feel pain so you practice harder. Then your knee suffers from the extra stress. It's not necessarily bad. |
That's true. When you're not feeling any pain/less pain, you try to do more in your work outs and try to get closer to playing in the game. If your knee doesn't react well, then you'll feel pain. Gotta take it slowly... |
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jlkr
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Azn Pinoy wrote: |
| fanboyslim wrote: |
| BB wrote: |
| jlkr, in the previous PA, Bynum said he's fine and doesn't feel pain anymore, than in the last one he makes it sound like someone ram a truck in his knee. |
That's typical in fact. You don't feel pain so you practice harder. Then your knee suffers from the extra stress. It's not necessarily bad. |
That's true. When you're not feeling any pain/less pain, you try to do more in your work outs and try to get closer to playing in the game. If your knee doesn't react well, then you'll feel pain. Gotta take it slowly... |
That's exactly what happened to me. I could do the elliptical trainer without pain, but then when I started running, I felt pain again right away. Later on, I was able to run short periods without pain, then I would feel pain that night or the next morning. It was frustrating as heck having to keep backing off. And this is where Bynum is at. So now I will not be that surprised if he misses the entire playoffs.. |
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trodgers
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I think Bynum is pulling a Vince so that he gets his contract this year, instead of the next. I don't see how he can go from not feeling any pain anymore to feeling a lot of pain, without doing anything new in a couple of days. |
I don't see any reason to think that. I know that if I have an injury and the pain disappears, I'll push it harder, thinking it's healed. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't. If it isn't, you get reaggravation.
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LOL, Abomb is freaking 20 man. Your healing tissues heals its fastest when your 20!! How is it even acceptable when doctors say around 8 weeks to maybe 12 weeks to how about 6 months? This ain't the lotto. IF doctors can get away with such inconsistency, I could of been a doctor myself. Anybody can easily make a number up, and if he's not healed, i'll make another number up.
From my doctor friend, "everybody knows the techniques, its the accurate judgments to separate a good doc from a bad doc". |
No doctor is 100% accurate. We're dealing with facts that hold generally. There is no algorithm for issuing a return date from an injury like this.
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Maddocks15
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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should have known. when bynum went down i joked saying rest of the season, didnt know it would become true.....
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| lakerfan2 wrote: |
Here was a little insight from Gumby from the Bynum thread on the 6 weeks rumor...
| Gumbygld wrote: |
Ok so here is what i hear/understand...
First off, there is a reason it can go from 3 days to x amount of weeks. The Dr. he went to see in NY is one of if not the most highly regarded knee specialist in the country. He knows knees better than anyone Drew had previously seen so it is very possibly he could have seen something or known something that other doctors didnt.
As for the 6 weeks, from what i understand that is not a definite time frame. What i hear is that it is basically up to Drew as to when his pain subsides completely and at that point he can then start to fully work out and then play. It may not take 6 weeks but in my oppinion i wouldnt expect him to be playing or working out with the team for atleast another week. |
| Gumbygld wrote: |
| Its all a guessing game, it could take the 6 weeks, it could not. Its up to when his pain subsides and no one is in control of that. Its not about toughening up and playing with pain either b/c if theres pain that continues for a while more there may be a bigger problem and its not worth it to risk injuring yourself even more. |
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Dealing with the situation at hand I don't understand why he didn't see this doctor to begin with.
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| the ny doc has been involved from day 1 |
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Bynum, Bynum's respresentatives and Bynum's own medical doctor have been very very very careful with Bynum's injury, so they are doing what is best for Bynum, Bynum's career and Bynum's upcoming contract situation.
Therefore, the Lakers need to be as careful when considering Bynum's longterm future health issues and contract situation. At this point, it has become clear that the Lakers best move is to hold off on a max contract extension and longterm contract until Bynum finishes a full season without knee problems. After all, Bynum still has two years left on his rookie contract so there is no need to rush a longterm guaranteed contract.
Just as Bynum has not rushed his return from injury. |
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This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
Anybody with me yet?
Even without Bynum, this is still an awesome team |
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if it really is up to Bynum and how he deals with the pain, i wouldn't be surprised one bit if he was back by the WCF. i really don't think he's a "wuss" and can't handle the pain. he probably is listening to the doctors and just making sure he won't screw up his knee further. but when it comes time to play for the 'Ship, he'll tough it out and do what he's gotta do, even if it's for a few minutes a game.
i could be wrong and my understanding of the situation may be slightly off, but i'm sure he's dying to play.
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| PowerGriz wrote: |
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This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
Anybody with me yet?
Even without Bynum, this is still an awesome team |
Can you imagine if we win a title w/ out Bynum!!! Can you imagine what other teams will be thinking!!! They will be so scared of us next season they will sh** themselves!!!  |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| BizMinded24 wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
Anybody with me yet?
Even without Bynum, this is still an awesome team |
Can you imagine if we win a title w/ out Bynum!!! Can you imagine what other teams will be thinking!!! They will be so scared of us next season they will sh** themselves!!! |
i trust the Lakers getting into the WCF without him, but we will struggle big time to go any further i would think. C's were killing us in the paint with AB playing. Can u imagine what they will do to us with Pau as our center 
Im hoping he can be ready for WCF if we get that far. Thats alot of time
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| doggy dogg wrote: |
| BizMinded24 wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
Anybody with me yet?
Even without Bynum, this is still an awesome team |
Can you imagine if we win a title w/ out Bynum!!! Can you imagine what other teams will be thinking!!! They will be so scared of us next season they will sh** themselves!!! |
i trust the Lakers getting into the WCF without him, but we will struggle big time to go any further i would think. C's were killing us in the paint with AB playing. Can u imagine what they will do to us with Pau as our center
Im hoping he can be ready for WCF if we get that far. Thats alot of time |
Actually, they've never played the Lakers with Pau. I understand them beating a young team with Bynum in the middle who's main offensive weapon was the lob. But now, we have Pau who is a master at passing and post moves. I really think a zone defense would be key against the Celts because they are not really known for being outside shooters and they aren't a good penetrating team with exception to Pierce.
Anyways, we'll have to see, when we get there!
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Pau Power
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| lakerfan2 wrote: |
| doggy dogg wrote: |
| BizMinded24 wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
| PowerGriz wrote: |
This will only make our championship even more memorable
Have FAITH, people |
Anybody with me yet?
Even without Bynum, this is still an awesome team |
Can you imagine if we win a title w/ out Bynum!!! Can you imagine what other teams will be thinking!!! They will be so scared of us next season they will sh** themselves!!! |
i trust the Lakers getting into the WCF without him, but we will struggle big time to go any further i would think. C's were killing us in the paint with AB playing. Can u imagine what they will do to us with Pau as our center
Im hoping he can be ready for WCF if we get that far. Thats alot of time |
Actually, they've never played the Lakers with Pau. I understand them beating a young team with Bynum in the middle who's main offensive weapon was the lob. But now, we have Pau who is a master at passing and post moves. I really think a zone defense would be key against the Celts because they are not really known for being outside shooters and they aren't a good penetrating team with exception to Pierce.
Anyways, we'll have to see, when we get there! |
What are you on about? Celtics as a team shot over 38% from three this year. playing zone against guys like ray allen, paul pierce, james posey, eddie house e.t.c is asking for trouble.
the point is celtics killed us with bynum on defense, as good as Pau is offensively lets face it...he may very well get abused inside. |
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My expectations -- Bynum MAY be back by next year's all-star break, but I wouldn't count on it.
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[Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] his a$ out of here..... 
trade him...
do it mitch....
j/k...
oh well i guess the lakers will need to step it up another notch..~!
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A lot of people say Bynum should play only if the doctors cleared him. I don't necessarily agree with that. First of all, you have to ask the doctor what exactly was the reason that he's not cleared to play. The doctor's reasoning might be as simple as: because it can get worse.
Yet, getting worse is not necessarily bad as long as you can rehab him back to the point where he was before, and then rehab him all the way back to full health. After all, if you can rehab him to the point where he was before, then what exactly is so bad about getting worse? We do have the entire offseason, and if necessary, next year's regular season to use after all.
In addition, possibilities of getting worse imply possibilitiies that it might not get worse. And this is what guys like Kobe and Dirk are banking on, when they come back well ahead of what appears to be a reasonable timeframe. They chance on the risky side.
So the exact question to the doctor should be, is there a possibility that he could permanently damage himself to where you would not be able to rehab him to where he can perform at a "high level, i.e at least All-Star level?"(may have to explain this term to him though.) And if so, what percentage do you give that risk "per game?" |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| nmn989 - please stop |
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Lakerjones
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Alleyhoops wrote: |
| My expectations -- Bynum MAY be back by next year's all-star break, but I wouldn't count on it. |
Wow. Why so late? Doctor noted there haven't been any setbacks or misdiagnoses, just that he's not ready yet - not healed enough. There's no ligament damage per se, nothing broken . . .
I'm with some of the other posters here - hoping he returns by WCF. In fact, I almost don't want to see him earlier for fear of him not being fully recovered. From the sound of things he needs at least a couple weeks off. Then he can rehab. WCF is at least 4-5 weeks away. I would expect to see him back either just before WCF or during. Finals will probably be almost 2 months away. That's a lot of time. Hoping he gets back at the very least for the finals. We do need him against the Celts. |
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| nmn989 - please stop |
Only if you can expose the flaws in what I just said |
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| We have been winning without Drew, he has been out over half the season, and we still took the 1 seed. I don't see any reason for doom and gloom. The road is easier with Drew without a doubt ,but we have got it done without him no reason that should stop now. |
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