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karacha
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| Darth Bynumite wrote: |
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If either of them bothered to show up on the defensive side of the ball, we wouldn't need this thread. If the team decided to play a lick of D tonight, we'd be up 3-0
Note the wonderful D displayed by the entire team in this picture:
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That honestly makes me feel physically sick.
Horrible. |
Who exactly is Lamar trying to box out there? Haha, everyone ended up on one side, defending no one.
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Joe_Blow
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Cīmon! How many of Gasolīs 3rd game points have been easy baskets. I remember an outside shot, a counter after the steal just like a SF, and some buckets after offensive rebound. And of course, many calls that he should have got, playoffs or not. The problem with todays game for Gasol have been the referees. Itīs not normal that with the hard defense of Utahs big guys he hadnīt gone to the free shoot line. |
The whole point of my post above was that: a. refs OFTEN swallow their whistles in the playoffs... especially when a club is down 0-2, it's the 2nd round, and the game is in their building; b. it's something Pau hasn't experienced at this level before, he has to learn to deal with it, and HE WILL!
There's a reason it usually takes young teams a number of times in the playoffs before they can finally break through. You don't learn how to deal w/ such things by "talking" about it, or "watching" it, you have to EXPERIENCE it.
Anyone who's watched Pau slam the ball in his hands and yell after a missed play can see he's got a fire inside. Calm demeanor or not, the guy's got some fire in the belly. That, coupled with the experience and the mentoring of PJ, Cap, Rambis, and Kobe is all it will take to go from what we saw last night (not being able to handle the physical contact in a 2nd round game) to a guy who breaks through and takes his game to another level.
Look at it this way, if Pau "already" knew how to deal with the physicality and pressure brought to him in the 2nd round, on the road, while the refs swallowed their whistles, there's NO WAY IN HELL Memphis would've traded him to LA for a bad hands cake throwing expiring contract, a future point, and draft picks.
Sit back and enjoy the growth. It'll come, and it'll be gratifying!
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leftymo
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Farmar shooting 7% from the field in this series and a whopping 27% from the field for the playoffs...
He hit the wall in Feb. No biggie since its only his second season. |
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Jajwa
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I don't even think this is warranted until the Lakers lose another game in this series.
They pull off game 4 it's still over. They won't lose three in a row...
If they lose game 4, it's going to be a tough battle of a series down the stretch probably going seven games. |
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Pokey
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Pau had one bad game. He and the coaches are good enough I'm not worried. Farmar and Radmonovich though, are stinking it up.
Farmar said in an interview before the playoffs he wanted to drive to the hoop more. If he would EVER dish the ball maybe that would be alright. He's gotten away from what worked for him; he can work on his game during the summer not the playoffs. It makes my ears turn red.... |
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Ramballa
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| TXLAKERFAN wrote: |
| Coville wrote: |
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| We're winning, stop complaining. |
dont respond to the post man.. he brought up some good points.. if u have nothing to say dont talk.  |
The team is 6-0 in the playoffs, Pau is dominating most front lines not in terms of physical play, but a threat. He's a guy that can't be left alone on either end.
While he isn't a physical player, the threat of him inside is enough alone to open up things for others. Boozer is in foul trouble because he can't rebound over Pau so he has to go trhough him, aka foul..
Pau in addition is a man you can't leave alone on D, it has opened up lay ups, passing lanes, and easy dunks for everyone, most importantly Kobe.
Farmar is in his 2nd year, he is playing off the bench, and he is, gasp, showing some signs of inexperience in the playoffs?!?
Gasp Batman, what will we do, lets just quit now. |
gasp, gasp.. looks like the op predicted what could be our problem for this game.. farmar hasnt made a shot and Pau hasnt been that great too.. next time think before you say something. |
We lost because the only person who showed up was Kobe, for half a game.
Gasol isn't a physical player, people need to realize that.
Farmar is young and inexperienced.
If Utah were to win a game it would be this.
On the ropes about to go 3-0, homecoming, getting the advantage of the refs for the first time in this series.
But, to complain about Gasol is ridiculous. We got him for nothing, and frankly to complain he isn't 'tough enough' boo hoo. Would you rather have Kwame Brown? Man you guys are petty. |
Sometimes it isn't necessarily complaining but more critiqueing a players game. Pau has is faults and its been more that apparent during this series. Him and Farmer have been our two worst players followed by Vlade. I don't think we should have to wait until we are eliminated out of the playoffs to state this. |
well said. We arent hating on Pau or Farmar.. were just trying to point out their weakness and see how they can improve on that. before the series is oveer. |
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kray28
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| calm down folks, jazz will not win another game this season. |
This time we agree.
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jimbo327
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| My only problem with Pau is that in this many years in the league, he still hasn't found the weight room or dedicated himself in the offseason to weight training. |
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borri
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| My only problem with Pau is that in this many years in the league, he still hasn't found the weight room or dedicated himself in the offseason to weight training. |
Absolutely agree. They said this about Yao when he first came into the league. Yao has hit the weight room and has become stronger and still has room to get even stronger. It seems Pau hasn't done anything to get his strength up.
Hopefully he joins Kobe in the gym this offseason. |
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Senor Mortgage
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| My only problem with Pau is that in this many years in the league, he still hasn't found the weight room or dedicated himself in the offseason to weight training. |
Absolutely agree. They said this about Yao when he first came into the league. Yao has hit the weight room and has become stronger and still has room to get even stronger. It seems Pau hasn't done anything to get his strength up.
Hopefully he joins Kobe in the gym this offseason. |
Agreed, he doesn't even need to pump iron really. Just pull what Bynum did last summer and strenthen his core. We do not want Pau to lose his quickness ala Kwame because we want him to play center full time but he definately should eb able to build a better core. |
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TheGoat
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| Pau had one bad game. He and the coaches are good enough I'm not worried. ... |
One Bad game? If you've been watching Pau this post-season, you would notice that he has been struggling with his 1 on 1 game since gm 1 against Denver. He has only scored on baskets created for him by others(layups/dunks). He was brought here as a guy who could create his own offense and take pressure off kobe as another guy who could go 1 on 1 When we need a basket. He hasn't been that thus far in the playoffs. To the untrained eye(who just notice stats), he has been great this post-season.
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Radner
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| karacha wrote: |
| Darth Bynumite wrote: |
| lakerholic wrote: |
If either of them bothered to show up on the defensive side of the ball, we wouldn't need this thread. If the team decided to play a lick of D tonight, we'd be up 3-0
Note the wonderful D displayed by the entire team in this picture:
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That honestly makes me feel physically sick.
Horrible. |
Who exactly is Lamar trying to box out there? Haha, everyone ended up on one side, defending no one. |
He was boxing out Millsap. You can see a snippet of his head.
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iberian_oso
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The way Pau is playing this post-season, isn't a new thing. He struggled to create his own offense against Denver and he has continued to struggle against Utah. When he catches the ball and tries to score he is a turnover waiting to happen(Kwame Brown like). I don't know what the hell happened to his game because he didn't have this problem in the regular season. We got Pau so he could take pressure off of Kobe as another guy who can create his own shot when the game gets tough,but he has become inept at this. The only thing Pau has success at is Lay ups/Dunks created for him by other players.We won't win the Title if his 1 on 1 game is non-existent.
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| One Bad game? If you've been watching Pau this post-season, you would notice that he has been struggling with his 1 on 1 game since gm 1 against Denver. He has only scored on baskets created for him by others(layups/dunks). He was brought here as a guy who could create his own offense and take pressure off kobe as another guy who could go 1 on 1 When we need a basket. He hasn't been that thus far in the playoffs. To the untrained eye(who just notice stats), he has been great this post-season. |
Hey, trained eye, no need to repeat the same post twice. We understood you in the first.
As the trained eye you pretend to be, donīt look at the points only, and donīt forget to look at the rebounds, assists and blocks as well. They are part of basketball too,no related to layups/dunks and created by himself and no by others.
19.9 - 8.1 - 4.4 - 2.9 in the postseason. Yes, he choked in the 3rd game against Utah. The rest of the games against Utah and Denver he has been great or at least good. |
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iberian_oso
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| My only problem with Pau is that in this many years in the league, he still hasn't found the weight room or dedicated himself in the offseason to weight training. |
This, of course, is absolutely FALSE.
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Senor Mortgage
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| Well I agree that hes done his work, I still think he needs to add a bit or core strength so he's not pushed around as easily. |
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4Rings
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Well Pau can't gain about 15 pounds of muscle in less than 24 hours so he is going to have to use what he does have over Boozer (length, quickness and height) in tomorrow's game. Pau is an intelligent player and I'm sure he will make the necessary adjustments.
Jordan, however...I have no confidence in him whatsoever. Maybe he will have a good game tomorrow and it will change my mind about him...but for now.... 
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lakrp&g
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hopefully fisher doesn't pick up early fouls again because farmar looked visibly shaken... like one mistake after the next, snowball effect..
and as for pau, yea, it's true, he's getting a little beat up cuz he's not that thick and not a grinder... however, his performances in the first two games, although not stellar, were effective.... it was in game 3 however, that not only did he get beat up again, he starting turning the ball over. I'm sure he will be ready for game for and focus on being more careful with the ball. |
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JoshTrims
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A guy like Pau, if you only look at the general numbers, then it'll be hard to say he's struggling, because he's already a very good player, and as stated, if a great player plays a level below(actually half, because a level is too much, the difference it appears, is that if a player is playing half a level below and another is playing half above, then the difference is one level, and now you can see the difference) his regular season numbers, then he can still look very good.
In order to see whether Pau is struggling or not, you have to look at his playoffs numbers relative to his regular season numbers. While the numbers showed that they are up from the regular season numbers, his minutes have went up considerably as well. This is important because it showed that he didn't really raise his numbers, but rather, his regular season numbers were low because we wanted to protect his bad back and ankle. Now I can't say that (without detail calcuations) that his production is down either, so let's say that it's the same, which is actually still very good. In fact, considering the difference in intensity and quality of competition, just simply maintaining the numbers should already be considered raising your game, except right now, we're talking about digging, i.e raising your game as much as possible.
In addition, we have played 4 home games to 2 road games, with 2 very tough road games coming up. In order for him to even just maintain that average, he's going to have to make some of those shots I'm talking about.
Finally, he hasn't even had to go against the toughest defenders. Boozer is the worst defender that he'll be going against in these playoffs, and Camby may be a good defender, but he's no Duncan, KG or even Chandler. Take all these into account, then you could say that Pau is playing half a level below his regular season numbers, which I guess could qualify as choking. Now, that doesn't mean that he'll remain that way. After all, no reasons why this concept of stepping up is exclusive to just guys like Kobe and Duncan.
Maybe it is just me...but WHAT is your point? Are you with him or against him? It seems you might be a non English speaking person who had a post translated.... Maybe just me...but I don't get what side of this argument you are on. OR...are you just on BOTH sides? |
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TheGoat
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The way Pau is playing this post-season, isn't a new thing. He struggled to create his own offense against Denver and he has continued to struggle against Utah. When he catches the ball and tries to score he is a turnover waiting to happen(Kwame Brown like). I don't know what the hell happened to his game because he didn't have this problem in the regular season. We got Pau so he could take pressure off of Kobe as another guy who can create his own shot when the game gets tough,but he has become inept at this. The only thing Pau has success at is Lay ups/Dunks created for him by other players.We won't win the Title if his 1 on 1 game is non-existent.
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| One Bad game? If you've been watching Pau this post-season, you would notice that he has been struggling with his 1 on 1 game since gm 1 against Denver. He has only scored on baskets created for him by others(layups/dunks). He was brought here as a guy who could create his own offense and take pressure off kobe as another guy who could go 1 on 1 When we need a basket. He hasn't been that thus far in the playoffs. To the untrained eye(who just notice stats), he has been great this post-season. |
Hey, trained eye, no need to repeat the same post twice. We understood you in the first.
As the trained eye you pretend to be, donīt look at the points only, and donīt forget to look at the rebounds, assists and blocks as well. They are part of basketball too,no related to layups/dunks and created by himself and no by others.
19.9 - 8.1 - 4.4 - 2.9 in the postseason. Yes, he choked in the 3rd game against Utah. The rest of the games against Utah and Denver he has been great or at least good. |
Knuckleheads tend to make me repeat myself. Maybe repeating myself is futile, as they will likely never get it through their thick skulls. Case in point. You bring up stats. 
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