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pureuncut100
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 Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: Would You trade Gasol for Al Jefferson? |
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Just throwing this question out there. In watching this Utah Series, the Lakers need a big man with more muscle. More of a bruiser. A guy that wont get moved off the block. Gasol isnt the player to do this and furthermore, this may help in understanding why a Gasol led team has never won a playoff game.
Would you trade Pau gasol for Al Jefferson?.
Maybe the real question is would Minnesota trade Al jefferson for pau Gasol. |
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Hell yeah, Jefferson is younger and as good as Pau...
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ya al jfferson would work out better with bynum. but pau is a better fit for the triangle and works with kobe better. but in the future we should definitly try to get al jefferson.
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LakerzDQ
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I don't watch much timberwolves, and I didn't watch much celtics when Al Jefferson was there. So I don't know much about him.
can anyone tell me his strengths/weaknesses on both ends of the floor?
how would you compare him to other young big men like Amare, Bosh, Aldridge, etc?
he doesn't seem to be much of a passer though. The Pau-Bynum duo will be deadly as they would be passing to each other under the basket, and getting easy baskets. |
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pureuncut100
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| LakerzDQ wrote: |
I don't watch much timberwolves, and I didn't watch much celtics when Al Jefferson was there. So I don't know much about him.
can anyone tell me his strengths/weaknesses on both ends of the floor?
how would you compare him to other young big men like Amare, Bosh, Aldridge, etc?
he doesn't seem to be much of a passer though. The Pau-Bynum duo will be deadly as they would be passing to each other under the basket, and getting easy baskets. |
Al Jefferson is a banger. He is more physical than Bosh and maybe Aldridge. He is solid from out to about 15 feet. I dont think he is as good a passer as Pau but I dont know that he has been given an opportunity to be a passer being that he has only played on bad teams.
But you make a good point, we dont yet know how Bynum and Pau play together. |
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LakerzDQ
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| pureuncut100 wrote: |
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I don't watch much timberwolves, and I didn't watch much celtics when Al Jefferson was there. So I don't know much about him.
can anyone tell me his strengths/weaknesses on both ends of the floor?
how would you compare him to other young big men like Amare, Bosh, Aldridge, etc?
he doesn't seem to be much of a passer though. The Pau-Bynum duo will be deadly as they would be passing to each other under the basket, and getting easy baskets. |
Al Jefferson is a banger. He is more physical than Bosh and maybe Aldridge. He is solid from out to about 15 feet. I dont think he is as good a passer as Pau but I dont know that he has been given an opportunity to be a passer being that he has only played on bad teams.
But you make a good point, we dont yet know how Bynum and Pau play together. |
he's really young.
would be amazing to have 2 bangers in our frontline.
but I wouldn't know how it'll turn out. |
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pureuncut100
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| LakerzDQ wrote: |
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| LakerzDQ wrote: |
I don't watch much timberwolves, and I didn't watch much celtics when Al Jefferson was there. So I don't know much about him.
can anyone tell me his strengths/weaknesses on both ends of the floor?
how would you compare him to other young big men like Amare, Bosh, Aldridge, etc?
he doesn't seem to be much of a passer though. The Pau-Bynum duo will be deadly as they would be passing to each other under the basket, and getting easy baskets. |
Al Jefferson is a banger. He is more physical than Bosh and maybe Aldridge. He is solid from out to about 15 feet. I dont think he is as good a passer as Pau but I dont know that he has been given an opportunity to be a passer being that he has only played on bad teams.
But you make a good point, we dont yet know how Bynum and Pau play together. |
he's really young.
would be amazing to have 2 bangers in our frontline.
but I wouldn't know how it'll turn out. |
I really like Gasol but this Utah series is scaring me a little bit. In every game we have been dominated on the boards. We have little to no presence down low. True, when Bynum comes back next year everything will be different. As for now, we dont have enough muscle down low. |
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SignPippenNow
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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You really like Gasol statement reminds me of the people who say I'm not a racist but......
You were on all these forums proposing Gasol trades way before the Utah series. It isn't happening. I wish we could trade you off this forum. |
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JSM
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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No.
Pau and Bynum can play together very well. Al and Bynum cannot.
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Pau's shot and offensive game is better than Al's.
However, Jefferson is alot more physical and better defensively.
In short, I'd rather have Pau and Bynum than Al and Bynum. Pau and Bynum is a perfect offense/defense balance.
The only thing I would say is that at the moment (with Bynum injured) I'd rather have Al Jefferson because he is better defensively than Pau.
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LakerzDQ
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| JSM wrote: |
No.
Pau and Bynum can play together very well. Al and Bynum cannot. |
how would you know? |
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Would you trade Butler for Kwame Brown?
Would you trade Kwame Brown for Gasol?
Would you trade Gasol for Al Jefferson?
Would you trade Al Jefferson for Dwight Howard?
Would you trade Dwight Howard for Superman?
Oh my God, we could have Superman tomorrow here in L.A.!
But we had Kwame 4 months ago, and now we have Pau Gasol and we are close of the ring... mmm... |
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pureuncut100
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| SignPippenNow wrote: |
You really like Gasol statement reminds me of the people who say I'm not a racist but......
You were on all these forums proposing Gasol trades way before the Utah series. It isn't happening. I wish we could trade you off this forum. |
So what? I proposed trades for Gasol because I personally dont think he is exactly what this team needs. At the same time, I think his age and talent could get us what this team needs. Still, I generally like him. I hope this concept isnt to complicated for you.
In addition, there are some things in this series that are really beginning to become blatent. We are long, but we arent strong at the positions we need strength. We arent hard at the positions we need to be hard. Phoenix could win 65 games in a single year yet the playoffs exposed them. The playoffs are exposing the Lakers also. True, I was questioning if there wasnt a better fit than Gasol before the playoffs started because I saw he lacked something in his game that another player may provide. Regardless, we are getting exposed a little bit. |
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JSM
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerzDQ wrote: |
| JSM wrote: |
No.
Pau and Bynum can play together very well. Al and Bynum cannot. |
how would you know? |
Because I have two eyes and league pass.
Jefferson is a low post player. Bynum is a low post player. They would get in each other's way and neither would be as productive as they were on their own.
Pau + Bynum on the other hand will mesh well because Pau has a mid-range game and is one of the top 2 passing big men in the NBA.
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| I think Mitch and Phil both have better eyes for these things... |
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LakerzDQ
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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I guess it's impossible to find a good PF banger who plays further from the basket, and can pass the ball.
oh well, Gasol is good, as long as we get Bynum back. |
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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Hell no. We already have Odom and Bynum.
Swap Gasol and Melo, easily.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I wasn't reading the heading of this thread properly. I was thinking about RICHARD Jefferson.
Fish
Kobe
RJ
Odom
Bynum
Then I reread it... 
Al Jefferson for Pau? Hell no! 
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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There is no reason Pau and Bynum can't mesh well together on the court. Seems like perfect pair to me. Jefferson and Bynum are one and the same in many ways.
As far as Lakers getting exposed so let's trade Pau. I guess Boston will trade Garnett since they are getting "exposed", NO will trade Paul, SA will trade Duncan. The second round of the playoffs "exposes" everyone. Unlike some of you, I didn't expect Lakers to be 16-0 in the playoffs. You aren''t Mitch Kupchak and for that I thank God. |
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
I wasn't reading the heading of this thread properly. I was thinking about RICHARD Jefferson.
Fish
Kobe
RJ
Odom
Bynum
Then I reread it...
Al Jefferson for Pau? Hell no! |
You would trade Gasol for Richard Jefferson? 
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Nak wrote: |
Hell no. We already have Odom and Bynum.
Swap Gasol and Melo, easily. |
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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any day of the week I would....
but not with AB on the team...jeff and Byn play the same position and style.
Pau is going to thrive at the PF spot when AB comes back...if he ever does come back, shet
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Al Jefferson is younger, tougher, more physical
But I would say no due to the fact that Gasol fit's in the triangle very well |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Nak wrote: |
Hell no. We already have Odom and Bynum.
Swap Gasol and Melo, easily. |
Melo = the next Eddie Jones
Melo is garbage during the playoffs, no thanks... I mean, he was getting shutdown by freaking Caveman...
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| D1ZzY24 wrote: |
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I wasn't reading the heading of this thread properly. I was thinking about RICHARD Jefferson.
Fish
Kobe
RJ
Odom
Bynum
Then I reread it...
Al Jefferson for Pau? Hell no! |
You would trade Gasol for Richard Jefferson? |
In a heartbeat. Gives us another bulldog to defend the perimeter with Kobe, plus he's a capable scorer. He's the same age as Pau, so we'd be set with a pretty young core for about 3-4 years. You do realize he averaged over 22ppg don't you?
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
| D1ZzY24 wrote: |
| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
I wasn't reading the heading of this thread properly. I was thinking about RICHARD Jefferson.
Fish
Kobe
RJ
Odom
Bynum
Then I reread it...
Al Jefferson for Pau? Hell no! |
You would trade Gasol for Richard Jefferson? |
In a heartbeat. Gives us another bulldog to defend the perimeter with Kobe, plus he's a capable scorer. He's the same age as Pau, so we'd be set with a pretty young core for about 3-4 years. You do realize he averaged over 22ppg don't you? |
Jefferson has ankle issues and is just a scorer nothing more. Don't be fooled by his stats though
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
| D1ZzY24 wrote: |
| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
I wasn't reading the heading of this thread properly. I was thinking about RICHARD Jefferson.
Fish
Kobe
RJ
Odom
Bynum
Then I reread it...
Al Jefferson for Pau? Hell no! |
You would trade Gasol for Richard Jefferson? |
In a heartbeat. Gives us another bulldog to defend the perimeter with Kobe, plus he's a capable scorer. He's the same age as Pau, so we'd be set with a pretty young core for about 3-4 years. You do realize he averaged over 22ppg don't you? |
he's an average defender. what do you mean bulldog? he's a good scorer, but we don't really need that.
Gasol averages 19 points, that's only 3 points less. and he averages 4 more rebounds, 5% better field goal percentage, and more blocks. oh yeah, and is a better fit to the team. |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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WTF... Richard Jefferson is average on D at best... he is very inconsistent, he is either improved next year or regressed, poor rebounder, doesn't block shots...
Never trade small for big...
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lakers aren't trading Pau Gasol and if they did it wouldn't be for Richard Jefferson. That would be a terrible trade. If they wanted Al Jefferson they would probably be better served by trading Bynum for him, but I don't want to do that and I am sure Mitch doesn't either. Some go on every forum clublakers has trying to trade Gasol. Fortunately, that poster isn't Mitch. |
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