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Runningman

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| He's been in the league 8 years now; we're not gonna see him all of a sudden put on 30 pounds of muscle (unless he goes out and befriends Bonds or Clemens or something) WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) with Pau. |
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Gramps Laker Fan Since 1970

Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 700 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Runningman wrote: |
| He's been in the league 8 years now; we're not gonna see him all of a sudden put on 30 pounds of muscle (unless he goes out and befriends Bonds or Clemens or something) WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) with Pau. |
STOP IT! JUST STOP IT!
Who said he needs to all of the sudden put on 30 pounds of muscle?
With this post you are saying that Pau cannot improve his strength over the summer through a well designed strength program, is that correct?
If so, responding to this post is just pointless. I'm tired of talking to children.
Tapping out. _________________ "Though my eyes could see, I still was was a blind man. Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man." -Kansas |
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lunatic4jc

Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 1455 Location: lakertown 818 chyeah
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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take pau for what he is.. he's not the most physically gifted.. but he's gifted enough.. and don't take his finesse and skills for granted.. would you rather have kwame's big body or pau? _________________
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daco_inc

Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 942 Location: Fremont, CA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's better he doesn't pack on the pounds. He's been in the league and playing for so long (and playing well i might add) at his current physique that any big change will lead to some huge adjustments in his game. Bynum could do it because he was young and did not yet have an identity. Core training would be very useful though. _________________
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lunatic4jc

Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 1455 Location: lakertown 818 chyeah
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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if the TS is simply saying that pau should try to get stronger during the summer.. then umm it really wasn't worth going through all this rambling to discuss about what everybody here has in the back of their minds..and who's to say pau doesn't hit the gym over the summer anyway? _________________
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Runningman

Joined: 22 Mar 2008 Posts: 83
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Gramps wrote: |
| Runningman wrote: |
| He's been in the league 8 years now; we're not gonna see him all of a sudden put on 30 pounds of muscle (unless he goes out and befriends Bonds or Clemens or something) WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) with Pau. |
STOP IT! JUST STOP IT!
Who said he needs to all of the sudden put on 30 pounds of muscle?
With this post you are saying that Pau cannot improve his strength over the summer through a well designed strength program, is that correct?
If so, responding to this post is just pointless. I'm tired of talking to children.
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Uh yeah a child with a Masters Degree in physical therapy. . .
Of course he can improve his strength...but wouldn't you think after 8 years in the league and having the benefit of the best strength and conditioning specialists, nutritionist, athletic trainers at his disposal through the NBA he would have "bulked up" if he needed to or was able to? He's fine as he is. |
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Joe_Blow
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Bulk up? Absolutely not!
Core strength and agility improvement? Doesn't everyone?
This guy had a similar frame, and it served him pretty well! |
What is wrong with some of you guys? Who is saying "Bulk Up?"
This is why I don't post here any more because so many of the comments are disingenuous.
You might find some external similarities in frame, but McHale was so much stronger than Pau it is not even close. He had a better shot, was a better rebounder, and was one of the best post players ever to play the game.
Which of course supports my point that strength and bulk are not the same thing. |
Hey Gramps, did I piss in your cherios or something?
I didn't quote you, nor was I responding to you, so why so sensitive?
The topic was "Gasol needs to hit the gym." Some folks have suggested bulking up, others core strength improvement. I weighed in with an opinion.
As far as McHale goes, hell ya he was one of the best post players ever... I put him ahead of Duncan and at the top of the PF heap myself.
Yet, no way he was stronger, nor was he a better rebounder. He was more agile, definitely tougher, and he knew how to use his body much better, but I doubt seriously he was stronger.
As far as the rebounds go, check Pau's numbers from the PF spot... at least comparable and probably better from the PF spot. _________________ B. Diddy on Drew: "That boy's gonna be a beast.'' |
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Kenrae
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 158 Location: Barcelona
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Runningman wrote: |
Of course he can improve his strength...but wouldn't you think after 8 years in the league and having the benefit of the best strength and conditioning specialists, nutritionist, athletic trainers at his disposal through the NBA he would have "bulked up" if he needed to or was able to? He's fine as he is. |
Again, he has already done it. |
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ndrui

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| I also think we should use him at the 4 a little more and possibly put Turiaf in at the 5...they don't have a post game at the 5 and I think we can live with Pau on Boozer for a little while. |
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bokeron

Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 120 Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Seņora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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If someone suggests Gasol needs to hit the gym more... he is either ignorant or is implying he needs to bulk up.
Do you really think Gasol's training is something he and his mom plan on the evenings ? His training is already a work in progress, just as every other elite player. He is now a lot more stronger than before NBA. What more do you want from him when you suggest to "hit the gym" ?
You might suggest he needs better physical resistance, that he is not in good shape, that he is tired, and that he need to train more specifically those points...but strenght ... do you think that Memphis/Lakers were/are not controlling his trainings ?
So, as that is and has been taken care of already, the only thing left for me to think is you mean bulking up...or either you don't have a clue.
See, Gasol vs McHale... nonsense. Should I compare myself to Bryant given we both have the same height ?
McHale defense was not because of strenght, but because of nature.
You seem to think that strenght is the only thing that counts when rebounding, and is not. You need the will, you need the instint, the dedication. You can improve, but if you're not a good rebounder in your 7th NBA year, you will hardly ever become one.
Once again, Gasol is what Gasol is. He can improve what he is, but he can't became a different player. And you, Lakers fans among all, should be happy that you got THIS kind of player instead a Bynum clone.
Next year, with Bynum back, Lakers will have a more versatile game and more options to define the way they want to play. It might lead to a good end or not, but they will have more versatility than with two Bynums. |
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Enforcer

Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 1797 Location: The internets
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| Pau is a finesse player. Live with it. |
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Ramballa

Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 335 Location: Covina
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Pau needs to hit the salon!  |
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Alicantino

Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 344 Location: Alicante
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Once again, Gasol is what Gasol is. He can improve what he is, but he can't became a different player.
Next year, with Bynum back, Lakers will have a more versatile game and more options to define the way they want to play. It might lead to a good end or not, but they will have more versatility than with two Bynums. |
+1
If you see the lakers play offs stats:
Have you seen gasol has more off rebounds than Lamar? (28-24)
Have you seen gasol has doble off bloks than LO.? (25-13)
Have you seen gasol has 18 aspg more than fisher, our guard?
Have you seen gasol is the second in points?
Its true LO has 30 Def rebounds more than Pau, but dont you think that is because pau closed her men for it?
I think he is working hard because he isnīt a hard player, not is a muscle question. Iīm glad with Pau and LO, only wait for Bynums come back.
Excuse my english. _________________
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Kenrae
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 158 Location: Barcelona
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| ndrui wrote: |
| I also think we should use him at the 4 a little more and possibly put Turiaf in at the 5...they don't have a post game at the 5 and I think we can live with Pau on Boozer for a little while. |
Pau has been on Boozer most of the time... |
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CarolinaLakerFan

Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 315 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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If anything, Pau needs to get slimmer and quicker. We've got to look at the BIG picture here folks. Next year he'll be at PF, playing against quicker guys like Amare, West, KG and Sheed. He'll also draw the assignment of Okur on the perimeter next season. Bynum will be guarding Boozer, and will own him. Let's not rush to judgement based on one playoff series with Utah.  _________________ Magic Johnson: The most complete player in NBA history! |
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Lqv2015

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Seems like this is a sensitive matter for Gramps.  |
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Gramps Laker Fan Since 1970

Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 700 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:14 am Post subject: |
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Seems like this is a sensitive matter for Gramps.  |
Sorry for sounding so sensitive guys. It isn't the topic. It is he way some discuss. I try to engage in a conversation with the hopes of having one where we exchange opinions.
For example, JoeBlow: You didn't quote me. By not quoting me, by not quoting anyone, your statement that he needs to Bulk Up is understood as referring to those who's opinion is Pau needs to get stronger. But that is a misrepresentation of what I said. If someone said that specifically, and you are responding to them specifically, then quote them. If not, then respond to a point made, not one made up.
Here is another example from bokeron: "If someone suggests Gasol needs to hit the gym more... he is either ignorant or is implying he needs to bulk up."
Now I have suggested he engage in a training program (hit the gym). I am not suggesting that he needs to bulk up. So I must be ignorant. WTF is all this?
He of course continues on with insults and ignorance. My only point is this kind of conversation provides me no enjoyment. Which is why I stopped posting and will do so again.
Cheers. _________________ "Though my eyes could see, I still was was a blind man. Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man." -Kansas |
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Joe_Blow
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| For example, JoeBlow: You didn't quote me. By not quoting me, by not quoting anyone, your statement that he needs to Bulk Up is understood as referring to those who's opinion is Pau needs to get stronger. But that is a misrepresentation of what I said. |
Gramps, is this better?
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| I agree. Below is what I said in another thread. It is not to late for Pau to bulk up a bit. |
By the way, I said he "does not" need to bulk up. But, really, who gives a damn. Time for a closeout game!  _________________ B. Diddy on Drew: "That boy's gonna be a beast.'' |
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Tuco

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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You think?
I'm assured he will train, to a certain extent, with Kobe this upcoming offseason. The little time that there is.
He'll be fine.
I wonder how the OP's physique is lookin' these days.  |
Actually, Im looking quite svelte if I do say so myself. Ive been working out since this past Dec 24. Measuring in at 6-0, 168. I now tip the scales at a lean 190 (10.2% body fat). Thanks for asking.  _________________ "But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco." |
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SCOOTERP10
Joined: 09 Jan 2008 Posts: 41
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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"Do your best and forget the rest!" |
I'm so serious though. P90x plus whatever his normal basketball routine is would get him into awesome physical condition for next season. It will give him more strength and endurance while not taking away from his finesse game
http://www.beachbody.com/product/fitness_programs/best_sellers/p90x.do
This workout is killer if you can stick with it. For some reason finding an hour everyday to be willing to workout is a tough thing to do |
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Gramps Laker Fan Since 1970

Joined: 06 Aug 2004 Posts: 700 Location: Ontario, CA
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| For example, JoeBlow: You didn't quote me. By not quoting me, by not quoting anyone, your statement that he needs to Bulk Up is understood as referring to those who's opinion is Pau needs to get stronger. But that is a misrepresentation of what I said. |
Gramps, is this better?
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| I agree. Below is what I said in another thread. It is not to late for Pau to bulk up a bit. |
By the way, I said he "does not" need to bulk up. But, really, who gives a damn. Time for a closeout game!  |
Point take Joe. Which is relevant in the conversation. And by pointing this out in a respectful way, you are demonstrating that we are communicating.
May I qualify though, I said, bulk up "a bit." My intent was just to indicate he needed to get stronger, not more muscular. I understood your reference to indicate that I said he needed to become more muscular.
Thanks for the response. _________________ "Though my eyes could see, I still was was a blind man. Though my mind could think, I still was a mad man." -Kansas |
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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A Gramps sighting?  |
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lotus
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Pau bulking up is not going to mean much if he doesn't have the mindset to utilize that muscle. He's not a physical type of player and he doesn't play rough, so getting stronger for him means he'll probably just get slower. He's a finesse player and that's it. |
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jimbo327
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Pau needs to say NO to Spain in the offseason, obviously not this offseason, but during the next offseason, just get in the gym and do the squats and upper body work. He needs to get stronger, and drink some shakes. |
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Sweratron
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Gramps wrote: |
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Bulk up? Absolutely not!
Core strength and agility improvement? Doesn't everyone?
This guy had a similar frame, and it served him pretty well! |
What is wrong with some of you guys? Who is saying "Bulk Up?"
This is why I don't post here any more because so many of the comments are disingenuous.
You might find some external similarities in frame, but McHale was so much stronger than Pau it is not even close. He had a better shot, was a better rebounder, and was one of the best post players ever to play the game.
Which of course supports my point that strength and bulk are not the same thing. |
Hey Gramps, did I piss in your cherios or something?
I didn't quote you, nor was I responding to you, so why so sensitive?
The topic was "Gasol needs to hit the gym." Some folks have suggested bulking up, others core strength improvement. I weighed in with an opinion.
As far as McHale goes, hell ya he was one of the best post players ever... I put him ahead of Duncan and at the top of the PF heap myself.
Yet, no way he was stronger, nor was he a better rebounder. He was more agile, definitely tougher, and he knew how to use his body much better, but I doubt seriously he was stronger.
As far as the rebounds go, check Pau's numbers from the PF spot... at least comparable and probably better from the PF spot. |
No way Kevin MAchale was more agile than Gasol. GAsol is far more fluid in his moves than Mchale ever was. What MAchale had over him was toughness and more fundamentals under the basket, but he was less agile than Gasol. |
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brakaldo

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Pau needs to say NO to Spain in the offseason, obviously not this offseason, but during the next offseason, just get in the gym and do the squats and upper body work. He needs to get stronger, and drink some shakes. |
Pau will leave Spainish selection after Olympic games. All the people in Spain know that, itīs not official but itīs real. |
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Alleyhoops

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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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If Bryant has any influence, he'll be dragging Pau into the weight room this summer, wherever they are. I'm sure everyone recalls during one point in the fourth quarter where Kobe got the ball into Pau down low and Gasol did not go up strong (not that he really ever does) resulting in a critical miss. Bryant gave him a bit of a disconcerted look and shouted "Let's go!"
Pau's got great length and skills, but he's just a willow beneath the hoop. Yes, core strength is the conditioning regimen he should subscribe to. _________________
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netlordr23

Joined: 03 Feb 2008 Posts: 865 Location: Alicante (Spain)
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| brakaldo wrote: |
| jimbo327 wrote: |
| Pau needs to say NO to Spain in the offseason, obviously not this offseason, but during the next offseason, just get in the gym and do the squats and upper body work. He needs to get stronger, and drink some shakes. |
Pau will leave Spainish selection after Olympic games. All the people in Spain know that, itīs not official but itīs real. |
I didnt know that We will se we will see...
Don't worry about Pau, he will get stronger if he has the right people around, it is his first season with the LAkers!! |
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