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Savage1
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| Blahdeh Deebatz wrote: |
| The thing that I like about signing Maggette is that he would be a relative bargain at the MLE price. If we sign Brent Barry or James Posey, we risk overpaying them like we did with Radman and Luke, and then we'd be stuck with their big contracts (relative to their skill level). If Maggette doesn't work out, he'd be easy to trade at the MLE salary level. |
Agreed about him being a bargain. In the world where Kenny Thomas, Jerome James, etc, etc... get overpaid every year, this guy would actually deserve more than he would make if it's the MLE.
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my guess from what i've seen is we haven't even called maggette
mitch and phil need to get off the LO, Pau, and andrew front line and realize lamar would be a dynamite back up PF
who stops that you rotate pau and andrew at center and lamar comes in and doesn't miss a beat whatsoever
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andrew
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| there is a reason why he was benched behind mobley/Q Ross. |
You mean for the last three games of the year? Because he started 65 of the 70 games he played in. In those last three, he averaged 19-5-2, btw.
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| All the bull rushing to the basket was taking away from the team aspect of the game. I can tell you that his team mates don't like standing at the free throw line for about an additional 15 mins. You guys are right, that's his game... and that's why he isn't getting paid. That's why you see teams offering the MLE and teams with the space to offer him 10 million aren't going after him. He was the reason why they lost to phx that one year... he came in and shot 2 unadvise 3 pointers and turned the rock over twice in a span of about 3 minutes. |
We get it. You don't like him. He's the Celtics' top target at this point, for full MLE. He must be doing something right. As for the bull rushing, it's effective. He's an 80+% shooter, averaged 22 points on 14 FGA, and that skill, the ability to get to the hoop is one of the two main reasons why we were thrashed in the playoffs. You don't seem to understand what LA needs.
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Because he was.
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3.
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| If Sasha goes elsewhere then Magette would be a good fit for bench scoring. |
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Jajwa
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
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trodgers
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
Maybe twice, but not fifty.
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
posey is like rick fox
i love maggette and i think he makes us better but both do in their own ways
i think both could start for us
moving odom to the bench is our best option
we can run the entire 2nd unit offense through him
the only player that is 20 times better than posey is ron artest because he does everything corey maggette does offensively and everything posey does defensively but to top it all off hes 270 pounds of pure muscle
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| Jajwa wrote: |
| lakerfan2 wrote: |
what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
posey is like rick fox
i love maggette and i think he makes us better but both do in their own ways
i think both could start for us
moving odom to the bench is our best option
we can run the entire 2nd unit offense through him
the only player that is 20 times better than posey is ron artest because he does everything corey maggette does offensively and everything posey does defensively but to top it all off hes 270 pounds of pure muscle
we need that guy |
he is not 270. lebron is huge and he is probably 255 260 |
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| Jajwa wrote: |
| lakerfan2 wrote: |
what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
posey is like rick fox
i love maggette and i think he makes us better but both do in their own ways
i think both could start for us
moving odom to the bench is our best option
we can run the entire 2nd unit offense through him
the only player that is 20 times better than posey is ron artest because he does everything corey maggette does offensively and everything posey does defensively but to top it all off hes 270 pounds of pure muscle
we need that guy |
he is not 270. lebron is huge and he is probably 255 260 |
it was an exaggeration and according to NBA.com artest is 250 and so is lebron
they are the same size
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I don't see why anyone thinks that Posey will not resign with Boston. There's not 1 good reason why he shouldn't.
The Lakers primary move should have been to get Artest and be done. Too bad Artest's agent isn't worth his salt. |
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I don't see why anyone thinks that Posey will not resign with Boston. There's not 1 good reason why he shouldn't.
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Playing time as it is.
If Maggette is indeed tabbed as their top choice and Boston spends full MLE on him, they won't want to spend much on him, so money.
If playing time and money don't matter to you and you're in the NBA, who are you?
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| lakerfan2 wrote: |
what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
Maybe twice, but not fifty. |
if terms of offense yes, but that's not what we need. we have scorers.
as phil and everybody knows, it's having a physical defensive presence around the perimeter. his ability to knock down the three is a bonus to spread the floor in the triangle.
maggette would be a gold puzzle piece that's nice and shiny, but in the end, it wouldn't fit.
posey is the silver piece that has a little dirt on it  , but fits in all the right places to the lakers puzzle.
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Reportedly, the Celtics have offered Mags the full MLE, heres the tid bit from the Boston Globe:
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Doesn't Boston have to use the MLE to pay Posey since they don't have his bird rights? I keep on reading how it's not likely they sign both him and Maggette. Well duh...it's impossible.
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| If Sasha goes elsewhere then Magette would be a good fit for bench scoring. |
A good question could be who should LAL be after Mag or Sasha? Take your pick... |
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| If Sasha goes elsewhere then Magette would be a good fit for bench scoring. |
A good question could be who should LAL be after Mag or Sasha? Take your pick... |
Sasha. If you turn all the attention to Maggs and fail, Sasha might bolt.
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Maggs. If Sasha bolts I could care less. Go sign a Brent Barry of a Finley for one season at a discount, sign someone else with the rest of the MLE money. Try to find the next Posey instead of this one.
Then next year you replace one of those 9mpg geezers with your first round pick, saving close to 50m (including luxury taxes) over the next five years for a very important man. A certain Andrew Bynum... |
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The newest news is that Maggs apparently is being considered by the Warriors. Since they've got the cash I have no doubt that they will certainly give him the 9-10m he can get on the free agent market. At that price he's gone. That's a 50% increase over the MLE.
He'd be a nice fit if Ellis can learn to play the point (Arenas did) as he'd fit at SG with Jackson at the SF spot. |
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| If Sasha goes elsewhere then Magette would be a good fit for bench scoring. |
A good question could be who should LAL be after Mag or Sasha? Take your pick... |
depends who wants what. if Sasha is asking the same as Mag, then go for Mag.
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
Maybe twice, but not fifty. |
if terms of offense yes, but that's not what we need. we have scorers.
as phil and everybody knows, it's having a physical defensive presence around the perimeter. his ability to knock down the three is a bonus to spread the floor in the triangle.
maggette would be a gold puzzle piece that's nice and shiny, but in the end, it wouldn't fit.
posey is the silver piece that has a little dirt on it , but fits in all the right places to the lakers puzzle.
-defense
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You just don't get it, I guess. I'm not sure whether you're not reading what everyone is saying or whether you see it and disagree. Maggette scores in a way that no one other than Kobe on his team can. He can get to the hoop, create shots for himself, and hit free throws. We lost against Boston because of three reasons: no offensive rebounding, no one could create a shot, poor perimeter defense.
Throw out game 6 as an anomaly because we were destroyed. LA averaged under 94 ppg (in fact, there it doesn't matter whether you include game 6) but gave up 96.6 per game. If you hold a team under 97 points per game, you should be able to win more than 2 of 5. LA failed offensively.
Look at it this way, during the NBA Finals, in how many quarters did the following happen to LA?
Held to less than or equal to 25 points? 18 times.
Held to less than or equal to 20 points? 10 times.
Held to less than or equal to 15 points? 3 times.
That's out of 24 quarters. The Lakers failed to score more than 25 points in 3/4 of quarters in the NBA finals, were held under 21 in nearly half of them, and had 15 or fewer in 1/8 of them. That's absolutely pathetic for a team that "has scorers" as you say.
LA has jump shooters who couldn't do crap because once Boston doubled Kobe, he wasn't able to get them good looks because he couldn't penetrate. You toss it to someone for a covered three or they run around and chuck up a bad shot trying to create when they don't have the ability. That's why LA lost.
Maggette gives the Lakers another guy who can create a shot. So when they go and double Kobe, and the ball comes to Maggette, he's not driving with three guys helping him against just three defenders. That's 4 on 3 for LA. If he can create 5 on 5, he's going to eat them up 4 on 3. That's the difference. That's what he brings.
I'm fine with Posey and I think he'd be a nice addition to the team, but Maggette brings the skill set the Lakers do not have, not even when Bynum is there because we still suck at post entry passing.
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That in fact is a semi-decent argument to keep Odom in and of itself in that if Odom can redevelop his jump shot back to 2005 form (that lovely 37% mark) and lose weight as well as work on his lateral defense, we'll be just fine. Lamar while not a perfect fit, could at least force the Celtics to stop putting Paul Pierce on Kobe. Lamar while not perfect did at least put up good numbers in 2005-2006 at SF. It can work. T
he question is why are we messing around with the idea of can work instead of getting what will work? |
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That in fact is a semi-decent argument to keep Odom in and of itself in that if Odom can redevelop his jump shot back to 2005 form (that lovely 37% mark) and lose weight as well as work on his lateral defense, we'll be just fine. Lamar while not a perfect fit, could at least force the Celtics to stop putting Paul Pierce on Kobe. Lamar while not perfect did at least put up good numbers in 2005-2006 at SF. It can work. T
he question is why are we messing around with the idea of can work instead of getting what will work? |
Getting a stand still shooter won't work because we had four very good shooters who can't create (I suppose Farmar can occasionally create, but Vlad, Sasha, and Fisher can't). Bombing from outside isn't the problem. Having Odom develop a distance shot isn't the problem. And if you're going to pin your hopes on Odom developing his game after how long he has been in the league and is still so passive when he needs to be aggressive, you're going to be disappointed, just like we were when he no-showed in the Finals.
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That in fact is a semi-decent argument to keep Odom in and of itself in that if Odom can redevelop his jump shot back to 2005 form (that lovely 37% mark) and lose weight as well as work on his lateral defense, we'll be just fine. Lamar while not a perfect fit, could at least force the Celtics to stop putting Paul Pierce on Kobe. Lamar while not perfect did at least put up good numbers in 2005-2006 at SF. It can work. T
he question is why are we messing around with the idea of can work instead of getting what will work? |
i think there is no more perfect fit than ron artest we need to do whatever it takes to grab him
whatever
i am looking at a deal involving charlotte
where we go
lamar+farmar to charlotte
felton+artest to LA
gerald wallace+sean may+chris mihm+2009 charlotte protected 1st round pick to sacramento
nice and balanced on all sides |
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| Jajwa wrote: |
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what's with this freedomblog thing?
is it legit?
anyways, i don't want magette, i'd rather take posey.
or some sort of defender who can shoot the 3. |
That's ridiculous. Maggs is fifty times the player Posey is. |
Maybe twice, but not fifty. |
if terms of offense yes, but that's not what we need. we have scorers.
as phil and everybody knows, it's having a physical defensive presence around the perimeter. his ability to knock down the three is a bonus to spread the floor in the triangle.
maggette would be a gold puzzle piece that's nice and shiny, but in the end, it wouldn't fit.
posey is the silver piece that has a little dirt on it , but fits in all the right places to the lakers puzzle.
-defense
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You just don't get it, I guess. I'm not sure whether you're not reading what everyone is saying or whether you see it and disagree. Maggette scores in a way that no one other than Kobe on his team can. He can get to the hoop, create shots for himself, and hit free throws. We lost against Boston because of three reasons: no offensive rebounding, no one could create a shot, poor perimeter defense.
Throw out game 6 as an anomaly because we were destroyed. LA averaged under 94 ppg (in fact, there it doesn't matter whether you include game 6) but gave up 96.6 per game. If you hold a team under 97 points per game, you should be able to win more than 2 of 5. LA failed offensively.
Look at it this way, during the NBA Finals, in how many quarters did the following happen to LA?
Held to less than or equal to 25 points? 18 times.
Held to less than or equal to 20 points? 10 times.
Held to less than or equal to 15 points? 3 times.
That's out of 24 quarters. The Lakers failed to score more than 25 points in 3/4 of quarters in the NBA finals, were held under 21 in nearly half of them, and had 15 or fewer in 1/8 of them. That's absolutely pathetic for a team that "has scorers" as you say.
LA has jump shooters who couldn't do crap because once Boston doubled Kobe, he wasn't able to get them good looks because he couldn't penetrate. You toss it to someone for a covered three or they run around and chuck up a bad shot trying to create when they don't have the ability. That's why LA lost.
Maggette gives the Lakers another guy who can create a shot. So when they go and double Kobe, and the ball comes to Maggette, he's not driving with three guys helping him against just three defenders. That's 4 on 3 for LA. If he can create 5 on 5, he's going to eat them up 4 on 3. That's the difference. That's what he brings.
I'm fine with Posey and I think he'd be a nice addition to the team, but Maggette brings the skill set the Lakers do not have, not even when Bynum is there because we still suck at post entry passing. |
I've been hammering this point across in many other threads. Glad to see someone else gets it.
I reiterate: HOW MANY TIMES LAST YEAR DID WE SAY.....ATTACK THE FRICKING HOOP?
With Maggs, problem solved. With a team full of spot up shooters, it'll be nice to have someone ELSE besides Kobe attempt to create a shot via a drive and either a) succeed, b) succeed and get an and 1, c) get fouled and go to the line.
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Lakers management seems content to stand pat.
There's no real competition for either Sasha or Ronny...so expect them to sign sooner or later. We'll probably overpay slightly for both. Sasha will get the Luke Level Exception ($5 million per) and Ronny will get a $3-4 million per type deal that Cook signed a few years ago.
If Boston does sign Maggette, then maybe, just maybe, Posey is a Laker. Don't count on it though.
Maggette will probably go to SA and Boston will resign Posey.
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Lakers management seems content to stand pat.
There's no real competition for either Sasha or Ronny...so expect them to sign sooner or later. We'll probably overpay slightly for both. Sasha will get the Luke Level Exception ($5 million per) and Ronny will get a $3-4 million per type deal that Cook signed a few years ago.
If Boston does sign Maggette, then maybe, just maybe, Posey is a Laker. Don't count on it though.
Maggette will probably go to SA and Boston will resign Posey. |
For what it's worth, I think you're right on all counts.
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Lakers management seems content to stand pat.
There's no real competition for either Sasha or Ronny...so expect them to sign sooner or later. We'll probably overpay slightly for both. Sasha will get the Luke Level Exception ($5 million per) and Ronny will get a $3-4 million per type deal that Cook signed a few years ago.
If Boston does sign Maggette, then maybe, just maybe, Posey is a Laker. Don't count on it though.
Maggette will probably go to SA and Boston will resign Posey. |
I don't think LA will give Sasha MLE money...
Maggette has only 2-3 options where he can get paid. Golden State, Philly, and Memphis.
Otherwise its strictly MLE. But he wouldn't start in Boston. And questionable if he'd start in San Antonio and LA.
Posey will stay w/ Boston. I agree, the Lakers will stand pat. |
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Lakers management seems content to stand pat.
There's no real competition for either Sasha or Ronny...so expect them to sign sooner or later. We'll probably overpay slightly for both. Sasha will get the Luke Level Exception ($5 million per) and Ronny will get a $3-4 million per type deal that Cook signed a few years ago.
If Boston does sign Maggette, then maybe, just maybe, Posey is a Laker. Don't count on it though.
Maggette will probably go to SA and Boston will resign Posey. |
Maggette has only 2-3 options where he can get paid. Golden State, Philly, and Memphis. |
As reported on ESPN, he is considering the offer from BOS as we speak!
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"Why can't America realize that falling in love with Kobe doesn't mean breaking up with Michael?" Rick Reilly
Bryant, who will be representing Team USA for the first time, told Gasol: "Being that we lost this series, you (guys) have no chance at a gold medal. I ain't goin' 0 for 2, homie." |
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