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you know mitch will probably sign brent, you know he loves old sg's in the decline of their career, remember Shaw, Rider, Mitch Richmond, Mckie, J Jackson ect...
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| If we sign posey then one of the small forward gets moved |
^^^ This. Someone gets moved. Thankfully. Probably Vlad. He's the obvious candidate.
RE: Posey, LO, etc. The nice thing about adding Posey is that it buys time actually in terms of LO. It does what Artest for MLE essentially does. It gives you a very versatile squad with many options regarding rotation. It takes the load off LO as starting 3 experiment. It allows you to hang onto LO for at least the first half of the season, trying him at different spots, with different lineups, and it provides insurance in case one of the bigs gets hurt or Bynum doesn't come back at full strength.
It gives you a great piece at the 3 where we're weak, shores up the D, adds reliable 3 point shooting. And he's not a headache guy. He's a pro. He's dirty, but he's a winner. We need some of that toughness. And for the MLE it would be a gift basically.
I think the Vlad experiment is over. He had his chance for redemption this year and he came up WAY short. The Lakers will be looking to ditch him no doubt if they can get a two way player like Posey. It really doesn't matter at that point who starts at 3, the rotation will have great flexibility.
But Wallangong, I think you'll be disappointed if you expect LO to be a savior at the 3 position. The bottom line is simply that he's a much better 4. He's got tremendous value there. |
i never said LO is going to be great at the 3. my only point was that while i would LOVE to have Posey as a 6th man, if you were to swap LO and Posey we're a worse team overall.
and i already posted in another thread that all the potential SFs we'd be looking are only marginally better 3pt shooters (at best). for most of his career Odom was in the mid-30% range, it's the last 2 years where he spent a majority of the season at PF that his shooting has dropped.
going into this last season Odom was planning on playing SF, only problem was he didn't have the option of working on his J over the summer. i believe that the size of our frontcourt is something i'd love to see in action before we start talking about shipping Odom off for Kirk frickin Hinrich. |
Great post. I get you now Wallangong.
Posey solves a lot of problems. It means you get a guy who can come in and defend at the 3 or 2 and knock down shots. He's what a savvy vet should be. Great player to have on your team and you hate him when he's on the opposition.
Odom gets to roam if you've got Posey. If he doesn't work out with the other two bigs, or doesn't agree to a smaller salary then you can trade him when his value is greatest - at the deadline. In the meantime we get a role player with actual skill, defense and consistency unlike knucklehead snowboarder who can then be ditched. |
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^ Exactly.
for the right deal, i'd trade Odom. but teams aren't gonna line up to give us their best or 2nd best wing player. i think we're better off seeing who we can get in FA, and then if Odom can't be a reliable SF this year then we see what we can get at the trade deadline.
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| Good idea, but I don't like changing the team around in mid-season, although it did work well with Gasol. Better to have them in camp together. |
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^ Exactly.
for the right deal, i'd trade Odom. but teams aren't gonna line up to give us their best or 2nd best wing player. i think we're better off seeing who we can get in FA, and then if Odom can't be a reliable SF this year then we see what we can get at the trade deadline. |
I think this is the best option.
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re-sign vujacic
let turiaf go
sign james posey to MLE
trade odom to kings for artest and thomas
Fisher/Farmar/Crawford
Bryant/Vujacic/Ariza
Artest/Posey/Walton
Gasol/Ramanovic/Thomas
Bynum/Mihm
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| I like that but there is problems on the frontline we basicly only have three bigs (Bynum & Gasol & Mihm (health problems)) because rad man and thomas are not natural bigs. |
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lakers need posey
posey needs lakers
perfect match
do it mitchell |
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Houston only offering him the BAE
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lakers need posey
posey needs lakers
perfect match
do it mitchell |
Same could be said about Boston... I don't see Posey leaving Boston. They have a great chance at winning two in a row. Why would he leave? I'm betting he and his agent are just looking to get top dollar from Boston with all of this interest. |
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Houston only offering him the BAE
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| Houston Chronicle: The Rockets began free-agency negotiations with a call to San Antonio Spurs guard Brent Barry, but indicated interest in Landry by offering Barry the lower level exception, leaving whatever portion of the mid-level that might be needed to match an offer Landry might accept. |
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If it comes down to to it, I would rather give Barry 1.8m a year to player for the Lakers and then use our first round pick next year to draft a SG then pay Sasha massive amounts of cash to stay here. It would be an incredible waste of money. |
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| I really think all we need is that one, lockdown defender at the 3 who can also hit shots when the game is on the line. Posey is that player. He's big, has experience and can contribute right away, possibly making the difference down the road for us. Ariza will be there; Bynum will be there. Maybe it's time to package Luke or Vlad out and save some cap space, sign another athletic player to compliment the rest of the young and energetic bench. We'll be fine, but again, if we sign Posey, I don't expect Sasha to be much of a priority, though I don't mind having him back since he has openly desired to stay a Laker. |
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MC
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Well what can you do if the rest of your SFs are crap? You really have no choice...
Besides you can always move a guy to another position (Radmanovic) and trade Odom entirely.
If we got Posey I would first puke at getting that kind of an individual and then move Odom since Posey=Odom at SF 100%. |
Odom 14 million/yr
Posey MLE
I wouldn't call that the same SF 100%.
Besides Posey is a better defender and has better range than Odom. Odom is a better rebounder and natural scorer (when he wants to which isn't to often). I say Posey is better bang for your buck wouldn't you?
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Well what can you do if the rest of your SFs are crap? You really have no choice...
Besides you can always move a guy to another position (Radmanovic) and trade Odom entirely.
If we got Posey I would first puke at getting that kind of an individual and then move Odom since Posey=Odom at SF 100%. |
i'm sorry, Posey is a great role player and plays good D, but i don't care what position it's at, Odom > Posey. it's amazing how one playoff series clouds so many people's good judgment. |
And how is that? I've watched Odom plenty. I've watched Posey plenty. I know what I'm talking about when I say that Posey is a better triangle SF than Odom. |
oh so you know what you're talking about and i don't? Posey is a GREAT role player, but to think we'd be better off replacing Lamar with Posey shows you don't know what you're talking about. Posey is the ideal 6th man, not our starting SF savior. |
Posey is a better fit for what we need at the SF considering this thing called..............a salary cap!
Odom is not 9 million a year better when you consider the role he needs to play as a 4th OPTION.......aka ROLE player.
Why do people think you need a steak at every position to win basketball games. Besides don't we have our center of the future to lock up long term and the best player in the game in position to opt out in 2 years? You need to be fiscally responsible if want to be contending for titles long term, you know, what you need to do to have a dynasty.
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| If we sign posey then one of the small forward gets moved |
^^^ This. Someone gets moved. Thankfully. Probably Vlad. He's the obvious candidate.
RE: Posey, LO, etc. The nice thing about adding Posey is that it buys time actually in terms of LO. It does what Artest for MLE essentially does. It gives you a very versatile squad with many options regarding rotation. It takes the load off LO as starting 3 experiment. It allows you to hang onto LO for at least the first half of the season, trying him at different spots, with different lineups, and it provides insurance in case one of the bigs gets hurt or Bynum doesn't come back at full strength.
It gives you a great piece at the 3 where we're weak, shores up the D, adds reliable 3 point shooting. And he's not a headache guy. He's a pro. He's dirty, but he's a winner. We need some of that toughness. And for the MLE it would be a gift basically.
I think the Vlad experiment is over. He had his chance for redemption this year and he came up WAY short. The Lakers will be looking to ditch him no doubt if they can get a two way player like Posey. It really doesn't matter at that point who starts at 3, the rotation will have great flexibility.
But Wallangong, I think you'll be disappointed if you expect LO to be a savior at the 3 position. The bottom line is simply that he's a much better 4. He's got tremendous value there. |
i never said LO is going to be great at the 3. my only point was that while i would LOVE to have Posey as a 6th man, if you were to swap LO and Posey we're a worse team overall.
and i already posted in another thread that all the potential SFs we'd be looking are only marginally better 3pt shooters (at best). for most of his career Odom was in the mid-30% range, it's the last 2 years where he spent a majority of the season at PF that his shooting has dropped.
going into this last season Odom was planning on playing SF, only problem was he didn't have the option of working on his J over the summer. i believe that the size of our frontcourt is something i'd love to see in action before we start talking about shipping Odom off for Kirk frickin Hinrich. |
Great post. I get you now Wallangong.
Posey solves a lot of problems. It means you get a guy who can come in and defend at the 3 or 2 and knock down shots. He's what a savvy vet should be. Great player to have on your team and you hate him when he's on the opposition.
Odom gets to roam if you've got Posey. If he doesn't work out with the other two bigs, or doesn't agree to a smaller salary then you can trade him when his value is greatest - at the deadline. In the meantime we get a role player with actual skill, defense and consistency unlike knucklehead snowboarder who can then be ditched. |
I see them signing a guy like Posey and letting Odom walk at the end of the season cashing in on the salary dump. In the near future they need to lock up both Bynum and potentially Bryant. If Mitch believes his window is 5or 6 years with this team he needs to be fiscally responsible in order to constantly retool the roster around Bynum/Gasol/Bryant. If done right they will be in the thick of it for years to come not much different than the Spurs have been since their version of the twin towers. I imagine 14 million coming off the books will go a long ways towards keeping them in relatively good shape cap wise, in good shape to resign the rest of the core and also keeps them in position to make future tweaks to the roster (which are always needed for long term success).
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^ Exactly.
for the right deal, i'd trade Odom. but teams aren't gonna line up to give us their best or 2nd best wing player. i think we're better off seeing who we can get in FA, and then if Odom can't be a reliable SF this year then we see what we can get at the trade deadline. |
I think you guys forget how passive Mitch is when it comes to trades.
This is the same guy that said they wouldn't have pursued Gasol if it wasn't for Drew getting hurt.. Cmon lol.
If we're among the top teams in the west at the deadline.. No major moves will be made.. Mitch doesn't make a move until he has to.. & he would not take a chance on screwing up like that.
Unless we're injured/struggling to make the playoffs at the deadline.. This is your team for the entire season |
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| You can write whatever you like it doesn't change Odom's jump shot and it doesn't change Posey's. It doesn't change their defense which are two of the most critical factors. And since when did starting versus playing time become the end all important thing in basketball? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: LA Times: Lakers interested in Brent Barry (+ Posey news |
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[quote="JSM"]Also some news on the Posey front
[quote][url=http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers2-2008jul02,0,4362357.story] LA Times[/url]: The Lakers have talked with representatives of Boston small forward James Posey and veteran San Antonio sharpshooter Brent Barry to gauge the free agents' interest.
Posey, a key reserve for the Celtics, is expected to draw the full mid-level exception of five years and about $30 million, though the Celtics have said they consider signing him an off-season priority.
Posey, though, is studying his options, primarily on championship contenders that include the Lakers, said his agent, Mark Bartelstein.
"I would say so," Bartelstein said. "When you get a taste of a championship, you want to keep winning them. The Lakers are a great team."
Posey, 31, averaged 6.7 points and 3.6 rebounds a game in the playoffs for the Celtics, including an 18-point outburst in the pivotal Game 4 of the NBA Finals. Posey was also on the Miami Heat team that won the championship in 2006.
Barry, 36, spent the last four seasons with the Spurs. He averaged 7.1 points last season, making a commendable 42.9% of his three-point attempts. He is a career 40.7% shooter from three-point range.[/quote][/quote]
James Posey does not deserve the full midlevel exception and 5 years deal. That is tooooo much of a money for reserve SF, who barely makes 6-7 points per game.
If we can get Brent Barry for the veteran exception of $ 1.6 mil. for 2 years, that will be great. At 36, he does not deserve a longer contract. Brent can be very valuable asset to our triangle offence. Same as Vlade he doesn't play much of a defence, but... at least, he makes his 3 point shots. We need him.
But, before even talking about other players, we need to get rid of Radmanovic, Walton and Mihm, in order to make a room for free agents. That means, we need to make at least 2 trades. So far, I can't see anything happen yet. All of the sites in the Internet are talking about trade posibilities, but none of them involving the Lakers. Mitch as always is pasive and has not done anything yet. |
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All of this man-love for Posey is comical. And, I feel if I read one more post about him being a "lockdown defender", I think I'll 
Posey had the luxury of having KG, Perkins and others sag off their men to prevent Kobe from getting to the basket because we couldn't knockdown open shots.
No way I'm paying a 31 yr. old guy who averaged .7 more points than Luke Walton in the playoffs the full MLE.
James Posey is fool's gold, and I guarantee you I'll be right about this next season, whether he is in Celtic green or Laker P&G.
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All of this man-love for Posey is comical. And, I feel if I read one more post about him being a "lockdown defender", I think I'll
Posey had the luxury of having KG, Perkins and others sag off their men to prevent Kobe from getting to the basket because we couldn't knockdown open shots.
No way I'm paying a 31 yr. old guy who averaged .7 more points than Luke Walton in the playoffs the full MLE.
James Posey is fool's gold, and I guarantee you I'll be right about this next season, whether he is in Celtic green or Laker P&G. |
watch more basketball you'll fall in love with JP |
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All of this man-love for Posey is comical. And, I feel if I read one more post about him being a "lockdown defender", I think I'll
Posey had the luxury of having KG, Perkins and others sag off their men to prevent Kobe from getting to the basket because we couldn't knockdown open shots.
No way I'm paying a 31 yr. old guy who averaged .7 more points than Luke Walton in the playoffs the full MLE.
James Posey is fool's gold, and I guarantee you I'll be right about this next season, whether he is in Celtic green or Laker P&G. |
if you think posey wasn't 10 times more effective than luke in the playoffs then you are crazy |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| CarolinaLakerFan wrote: |
All of this man-love for Posey is comical. And, I feel if I read one more post about him being a "lockdown defender", I think I'll
Posey had the luxury of having KG, Perkins and others sag off their men to prevent Kobe from getting to the basket because we couldn't knockdown open shots.
No way I'm paying a 31 yr. old guy who averaged .7 more points than Luke Walton in the playoffs the full MLE.
James Posey is fool's gold, and I guarantee you I'll be right about this next season, whether he is in Celtic green or Laker P&G. |
if you think posey wasn't 10 times more effective than luke in the playoffs then you are crazy |
LOL, exactly...so the guy is saying because James averaged just .7 more PPG than Luke he's a joke???Hello, Posey doesn't give a damn about points and he comes off the bench to play DEFENSE. That's something Luke doesn't do very well and James does. |
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| Posey's points by the way should be very similar to Vladimir Radmanovic's overall. Almost identical considering Posey's greater ability to slash, put back opposed to Radmanovic's better stroke. |
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thats like saying bill russell sucked at basketball cause he only averaged so and so point
neglecting all the other things that acutally matters |
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Fool's Gold....time will tell...
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San Antonio Express: Q. How does Maggette’s apparent decision to join Golden State affect Barry and Finley?
A. These two Spurs guards were the two players most likely to lose minutes if Maggette came to San Antonio.
Of course, they still could lose minutes if the Spurs successfully land another swingman via free agency. So both players’ futures in San Antonio remain in limbo for now.
Of the two, Barry has garnered the most interest on the open market. Phoenix and the Lakers have talked to him, and the Houston Rockets have dubbed him one of their top free-agent targets of the summer. |
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