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| How much playoff money do players make? 30K for each game or something? I'm guessing, anyone have any knowledge in that arena? |
I don't know but not enough to make coming to a contender anymore valuable than going to a lottery team.
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| How much playoff money do players make? 30K for each game or something? I'm guessing, anyone have any knowledge in that arena? |
I don't know but not enough to make coming to a contender anymore valuable than going to a lottery team. |
actually on the bright side, they know they have more leasure time if they are not on a contender and can plan fishing-tours for april already.
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$5m per season isn't terrible if you spread it out. He has already improved a great deal and is a guy who deserves more than Vet Min and more than BAE. I think nearly everyone would say that he's worth $3m.
So say we give him a five year deal at $3m to start and the 10.5% increase.
Yr1: 3.0m
Yr2: 3.3m
Yr3: 3.6m
Yr4: 3.9m
Yr5: 4.2m
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That's five years, 18.0m (3.6/season).
Starting at 4.0m:
Yr1: 4.0m
Yr2: 4.6m
Yr3: 5.2m
Yr4: 5.8m
Yr5: 6.4m
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That's five years, 26.0m (5.2/season).
So a five year deal would start between those numbers. I really think he's worth it.
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$5m per season isn't terrible if you spread it out. He has already improved a great deal and is a guy who deserves more than Vet Min and more than BAE. I think nearly everyone would say that he's worth $3m.
So say we give him a five year deal at $3m to start and the 10.5% increase.
Yr1: 3.0m
Yr2: 3.3m
Yr3: 3.6m
Yr4: 3.9m
Yr5: 4.2m
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That's five years, 18.0m (3.6/season).
Starting at 4.0m:
Yr1: 4.0m
Yr2: 4.6m
Yr3: 5.2m
Yr4: 5.8m
Yr5: 6.4m
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That's five years, 26.0m (5.2/season).
So a five year deal would start between those numbers. I really think he's worth it. |
Good range. I'd be thrilled with the first number and willing to settle for the second if Sasha receives that kind of offer from another team.
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Radmanovic and Walton received the full MLE from the Lakers.
At least one team will ALSO offer Sasha their full MLE. It happens EVERY offseason.
Sasha will receive all or near the full MLE from another NBA team. |
Both Vlad and Luke were signed with the idea that both were starters.
Sasha is not a starter. Not for this team anyway. And judging by the fact that nobody has signed him to an offer sheet, he probably won't be starter anywhere else either. Sasha is simply delusional if he thinks he will get MLE money.
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| I'd offer him something in the 5 million range now, before a team has a chance to throw the MLE at him & we're stuck having to match or being screwed. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Sasha Vujacic update from Matt Money |
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On AM 570 today Matt “Money” Smith (who has some contacts as
the Lakers broadcaster) said something interesting — part
of the delay with making a decision on Turiaf is that the
Lakers brass started having more in depth and serious talks
with Sasha Vujacic’s agent. The reason was they could only
sign one at these prices, they wanted Sasha but they wanted
to make sure his demands were not unreasonable. That line of
thinking makes a lot of sense. We’ll see if that comes to
fruition in the next few days. |
LINK
It looks like we can lose another member from last years team.
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What? That article makes it sound like we are more likely to keep him. |
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I think some team is going to throw the MLE at him. If they do, I hope we don't match.
I'll take Ron + Crawford over an overpaid Sasha
They can also tell Ariza to stop his weight gaining program this summer and have him play some minutes at the two.
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Gibson received a 5-year deal worth $21 Million.
Daniel Gibson's contract sets the bar for Sasha's contract. And a lot of agents felt the Gibson's agent did not get Gibson enough money, even though Gibson is not a starter but is considered to be one of the teams "core" players and one of the Cav's premier shooters.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?hd=20080720&lc=NBA#STORY_10538
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Agents: Boobie Should Have Gotten More
Posted: 7/20/2008 7:49:00 AM
Source: Lorrian Morning Journal
When Beno Udrih signed a five-year, $32 million deal with Sacramento, the contract became the [b]measuring stick for free-agent guards.[/b]
The Kings' point guard got the full mid-level exception for five years. The Knicks also signed veteran Chris Duhon for two years of the full mid-level.
Then, the question is how did the Cavaliers convince Daniel ''Boobie'' Gibson to sign a five-year, $21 million deal last Wednesday? There was never any question whether Gibson would return to the Cavs. His agent, Lewis Tucker, was unable to find any teams willing to sign Gibson to an offer sheet. Other teams figured the Cavs would just match the offer.
Some other agents scoffed at Gibson's contract. Sure, $21 million is a lot of money. But some agents thought Gibson should have gotten a lot more, especially if he's one of the Cavs' ''core'' players.
Gibson's contract was the first Tucker had ever negotiated in the NBA. He had previously worked with agent Billy Ceisler, who represents former Cavs guard Smush Parker, before breaking out on his own. |
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Warriors Interested in Delonte West?
Posted: 7/20/2008 7:52:00 AM
Source: Lorrain Morning Journal
The Cavs' next order of business is to attempt to sign point guard Delonte West, another restricted free agent. West's agent, Noah Croom, wisely waited to see what kind of contract Gibson received. Now, he'll likely ask for more money than Gibson got because West is the Cavs' starting point guard.
He'll likely ask for Udrih-type money because he's arguably as good as the Kings' guard.
Unlike Gibson, West may generate some interest from other teams. Golden State apparently thinks West would look great running up and down the court with the Warriors. |
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Gibson received a 5-year deal worth $21 Million.
Daniel Gibson's contract sets the bar for Sasha's contract. And a lot of agents felt the Gibson's agent did not get Gibson enough money, even though Gibson is not a starter but is considered to be one of the teams "core" players and one of the Cav's premier shooters.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?hd=20080720&lc=NBA#STORY_10538
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Agents: Boobie Should Have Gotten More
Posted: 7/20/2008 7:49:00 AM
Source: Lorrian Morning Journal
When Beno Udrih signed a five-year, $32 million deal with Sacramento, the contract became the [b]measuring stick for free-agent guards.[/b]
The Kings' point guard got the full mid-level exception for five years. The Knicks also signed veteran Chris Duhon for two years of the full mid-level.
Then, the question is how did the Cavaliers convince Daniel ''Boobie'' Gibson to sign a five-year, $21 million deal last Wednesday? There was never any question whether Gibson would return to the Cavs. His agent, Lewis Tucker, was unable to find any teams willing to sign Gibson to an offer sheet. Other teams figured the Cavs would just match the offer.
Some other agents scoffed at Gibson's contract. Sure, $21 million is a lot of money. But some agents thought Gibson should have gotten a lot more, especially if he's one of the Cavs' ''core'' players.
Gibson's contract was the first Tucker had ever negotiated in the NBA. He had previously worked with agent Billy Ceisler, who represents former Cavs guard Smush Parker, before breaking out on his own. |
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Warriors Interested in Delonte West?
Posted: 7/20/2008 7:52:00 AM
Source: Lorrain Morning Journal
The Cavs' next order of business is to attempt to sign point guard Delonte West, another restricted free agent. West's agent, Noah Croom, wisely waited to see what kind of contract Gibson received. Now, he'll likely ask for more money than Gibson got because West is the Cavs' starting point guard.
He'll likely ask for Udrih-type money because he's arguably as good as the Kings' guard.
Unlike Gibson, West may generate some interest from other teams. Golden State apparently thinks West would look great running up and down the court with the Warriors. |
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so what do u mean by Daniel Gibson's contract sets the bar for Sasha's contract? |
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5m for 4-5 years doesn't sound too bad.
Do it Mitch.
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$5m per season isn't terrible if you spread it out. He has already improved a great deal and is a guy who deserves more than Vet Min and more than BAE. I think nearly everyone would say that he's worth $3m.
So say we give him a five year deal at $3m to start and the 10.5% increase.
Yr1: 3.0m
Yr2: 3.3m
Yr3: 3.6m
Yr4: 3.9m
Yr5: 4.2m
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That's five years, 18.0m (3.6/season).
Starting at 4.0m:
Yr1: 4.0m
Yr2: 4.6m
Yr3: 5.2m
Yr4: 5.8m
Yr5: 6.4m
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That's five years, 26.0m (5.2/season).
So a five year deal would start between those numbers. I really think he's worth it. |
your 5 year deal looks good to me... I do think we should try to move Luke later in the year for a second rounder just to clear cap space: then try to sign Yue for for a progressive $1m contract. Then send him down to the Defenders to learn the Tri while he develops.. I think he gives us the same passing Luke gives us at a cheaper price....but what do i know, right...  |
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| so what do u mean by Daniel Gibson's contract sets the bar for Sasha's contract? |
Gibson and Sasha are the same type of player and have the same type of roll for their team. The Cav's signed Gibson as a Restricted Free Agent. And the Lakers are faced with the same scenario.
Sasha, Sasha's agent, the Lakers and every other NBA team will look at Gibson's contract when considering Sasha's contract offer.
The other guards, such as D. West, will also be considered. However, Gibson and Sasha are extremely similar players and both were RFAs. |
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Some may scoff at this idea but getting Delonte West would make me absolutely thrilled. I think he's a guy who could take off if placed in this system. A full MLE deal would no doubt about it, get him.
The reason I would prefer to get him over Sasha is that while you can replace Sasha by using Crawford, Ariza, West, and hopefully a new SF for 10 mpg (assuming that you find a legitimate SF), the trade would allow you to use Odom AND Farmar as trade bait.
I prefer the idea of giving Delonte West cash, over the idea of giving Sasha cash at least for the purpose of improving other positions. |
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Sasha should get Ronny's deal...4 yrs 17 million, and that is fair
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| 5M for a "machine" that works one day and stalls the next. LET HIM GO. I'd rather look to buy another, more reliable "machine". |
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His asking for too much.
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Press Enterprise: With the Turiaf situation behind them, Kupchak said the Lakers will turn their attention to negotiating with restricted free agent Sasha Vujacic.
Vujacic recently changed agents, from Bill Duffy to Rob Pelinka, and “that slowed things down for obvious reasons,” Kupchak said. “I’ve been talking to his representatives a couple of times this week, and he is going to be a priority that we’re shifting our attention to fully.”
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THIS IS ONE BOARING OFF SEASON
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^agreed.
I mean damn, If you aren't doing anything at least give us updates on what you aren't doing.
I thought our summer team was going to be exciting to watch, but damn was I wrong. I can't wait for the olympics to begin |
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Give him the same contract as Gibson and then be done with it. If Sasha wants more, then let him walk.
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^agreed.
I mean damn, If you aren't doing anything at least give us updates on what you aren't doing.
I thought our summer team was going to be exciting to watch, but damn was I wrong. I can't wait for the olympics to begin |
This off-season is "boring" because in the other off-seasons, we were being linked to big name players. Now we already have big name players, we aren't being linked to them so much. I do believe we will eventually see an Odom trade, we just have to be patient.
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sasha > gibson, imo, but gibson got overpaid.
3 years full MLE or 5 years, 20 million would be my limits.
i'm just having walton flashbacks. beware the contract year!
not to mention that sasha pulled a disappearing act for basically all but one game of the finals. not exactly a bargaining chip on his side. the lakers need guys who can deliver when the other team throws the house at kobe. the finals showed that the lakers may not actually have a single player able to do this. |
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| 5M for a "machine" that works one day and stalls the next. LET HIM GO. I'd rather look to buy another, more reliable "machine". |
yeah because the market is full of those right now.
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Radmanovic and Walton received the full MLE from the Lakers.
At least one team will ALSO offer Sasha their full MLE. It happens EVERY offseason.
Sasha will receive all or near the full MLE from another NBA team. |
Both Vlad and Luke were signed with the idea that both were starters.
Sasha is not a starter. Not for this team anyway. And judging by the fact that nobody has signed him to an offer sheet, he probably won't be starter anywhere else either. Sasha is simply delusional if he thinks he will get MLE money. |
The problem with your argument revgen, is that it assumes the Lakers can't or won't match.
In essence, the Lakers will probably pay up to, if not SLIGHTLY more than fair market value for Sasha.
The only way another team can get Sasha, is if they overpay to a point the Lakers cannot reasonably match.
Therefore, to expect the MLE, is perfectly reasonable for Sasha. |
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| I know we need the guy but isn't he valuing himself a little bit to high? LIke most here I agree Gibson money is all he should get, its ridiculous that we put up with him sucking for 3yrs and now hes the big shot, at least Ronny gave was somewhat producing from the start. Him not receiving any offers from other team should give him a clue as to his value. |
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If Sasha truly believes that he can not only play at the same level as last year consistently, but, continue to improve his overall game, then I think he should be willing to sign a contract triggered with some incentives. I would offer him a 3 year base contract of roughly 3.5 million per season, with the ability to boost that salary up to 5.25 Million each year if he hits benchmarks of say 39%+ 3pt shooting, 8.5 ppg and no less than 2 assists. If he hits those numbers all 3 years of the contract, then he guarantees himself a 4th season at a lucrative rate like 6.25 million (probably where the MLE will be by then). Otherwise, 4th year is a team option around 4 million.
I don't even know if those types of incentives are acceptable under the current CBA. But, I think Sasha should be comfortable with it if he's confident that he's not just another contract year breakout. |
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