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karacha
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I read the article,
basically they are saying Sasha has some offers from Russia, Spain and Greece - and is considering them, since they can give him the best deal. He is valuable because he learned a lot under his mentor - Kobe Bryant. Slovenians think this would be a plus for their national team, having 5-6 really good players playing in Europe. Makes it easier to organize everything when it comes to their (Slovenian) national team.
That's pretty much it.
I say - do it Mitch, Sasha is a perfect backup to Kobe, and don't forget Phil loves to play him together with Kobe in the last quarter.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| karacha wrote: |
| and is considering them, since they can give him the best deal. |
Wow.. if Sasha bolts what does Mitch do? this just makes a trade more likely.. I thought there was no chance Sasha leaves once Ronny left but now it looks like we're losing both.
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Maddocks15
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do it machine, help the lakers more then ever by giving up your money.
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kray28
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If Sasha really wants the money...this is his chance. Basically any Euro team can offer him a deal that the Lakers can't match.
Under the CBA they can only match other NBA offer sheets.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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If Sasha really wants the money...this is his chance. Basically any Euro team can offer him a deal that the Lakers can't match.
Under the CBA they can only match other NBA offer sheets. |
Actually I believe they can offer him an extension at this time as well. |
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Coville
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| Please go to europe, PLEASE! |
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leftymo
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I'd like to know what are the true options for a restricted free agent. LA can match but that's under the NBA.
I didn't know he could leave for another team elsewhere... LA won't match if its some ridiculous salary like what Childress got.
WOW, the Childress thing was shocking. It probably means that LA or teams in general will have to second guess signing players here. Especially if the Euro is stronger than the Dollar and the foreign teams can pay more. |
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ScoobySnackz
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If a Euro-team gives Sasha a good offer he can accept it with out waiting 7 days.. IIRCC, Childress was restricted but he just signed with Greece.. so the Lakers are shaking there boots right now.
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ilovesashavujacic
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| srsly pleaseee dont go sasha. =( |
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ScoobySnackz
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ilovesashavujacic wrote: |
| srsly pleaseee dont go sasha. =( |
Who cares? the guy wants his money he isn't committed to the Lakers its the $$$ so don't feel sad that he might go.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ScoobySnackz wrote: |
| ilovesashavujacic wrote: |
| srsly pleaseee dont go sasha. =( |
Who cares? the guy wants his money he isn't committed to the Lakers its the $$$ so don't feel sad that he might go.
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im obviously a big sasha fan, and i can feel sad if i want to. |
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Sure you can but he doesn't care if you are. he wants his money! I love Sasha but if hes trying to take to much of the Lakers pockets then you have to start not caring anymore this issue should have been resolved along time ago.
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EQualizer
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it is one of those things where if he leaves, then fine, he doesn't deserve to be on this team then
i don't want a dude all concerned about money anyways, the guy doesn't actually want a championship or to be part of one then he can go pack his bags
use that money to extend farmar and bynum and give coby karl more minutes |
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Waita minute, why are some of you hating on Sasha because he wants to make money? I guess you want his skills but want him for cheap? Wow, talk about living in a fantasy world.
Bynum, despite his potential, hasn't done crap and he's demanding max money.
I blame management for setting the precedence when they overpaid Luke and Mihm. Having these 2 losers on the rosters will only encourage players like Sasha wanting more money.
How about you guys ask Kobe and Odom to rework their contract and spread some of that money around. See how those guys feel first... before asking a guys like Sasha to take a paycut.
Some Lakers fans have an overbloated value of their team. Just because you're the Lakers, you expect players to give up millions to play for you? Exactly what world are you living in? As far as I'm concerned, an NBA title does not feed your family, but a basketball contract will.
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Waita minute, why are some of you hating on Sasha because he wants to make money? I guess you want his skills but want him for cheap? Wow, talk about living in a fantasy world.
Bynum, despite his potential, hasn't done crap and he's demanding max money.
I blame management for setting the precedence when they overpaid Luke and Mihm. Having these 2 losers on the rosters will only encourage players like Sasha wanting more money.
How about you guys ask Kobe and Odom to rework their contract and spread some of that money around. See how those guys feel first... before asking a guys like Sasha to take a paycut.
Some Lakers fans have an overbloated value of their team. Just because you're the Lakers, you expect players to give up millions to play for you? Exactly what world are you living in? As far as I'm concerned, an NBA title does not feed your family, but a basketball contract will. |
Sasha has no power to demand anything he wants. heck do you see any team offering him anything? if he wants the money then maybe he should pack his bags and get out of this town. I don't want players who want money and not take pride in playing for the team and city.
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2wheelgod
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Waita minute, why are some of you hating on Sasha because he wants to make money? I guess you want his skills but want him for cheap? Wow, talk about living in a fantasy world.
Bynum, despite his potential, hasn't done crap and he's demanding max money.
I blame management for setting the precedence when they overpaid Luke and Mihm. Having these 2 losers on the rosters will only encourage players like Sasha wanting more money.
How about you guys ask Kobe and Odom to rework their contract and spread some of that money around. See how those guys feel first... before asking a guys like Sasha to take a paycut.
Some Lakers fans have an overbloated value of their team. Just because you're the Lakers, you expect players to give up millions to play for you? Exactly what world are you living in? As far as I'm concerned, an NBA title does not feed your family, but a basketball contract will. |
Sasha has no power to demand anything he wants. heck do you see any team offering him anything? if he wants the money then maybe he should pack his bags and get out of this town. I don't want players who want money and not take pride in playing for the team and city.
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No power? Apparently Sasha is talking to Euro teams. Playing for pride and for the city is mainly a fan's concept. There are people who would like to make money. It's ashame that Luke was given the money that should be reserved for Sasha. Make me wanna PUKE.
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ScoobySnackz
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| 2wheelgod wrote: |
| No power? Apparently Sasha is talking to Euro teams. Playing for pride and for the city is mainly a fan's concept. There are people who would like to make money. It's ashame that Luke was given the money that should be reserved for Sasha. Make me wanna PUKE. |
Yes he has no power.. he can talk with Euro teams cause thats the only destination that will give him a contract no NBA team is gonna bother with a player who had his best year but was horribly inconsistent. just because Luke and Vlad got bad contracts doesn't mean Sasha should as well.
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If Sasha really wants the money...this is his chance. Basically any Euro team can offer him a deal that the Lakers can't match.
Under the CBA they can only match other NBA offer sheets. |
You are right but we can make an offer to counter. We just don't get to handle it like we did Ronny where we had 7 days. It is a matter of Sasha signing the Euro vs. our offer at that point. |
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I'll laugh if he left to go play in Europe.
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I can't believe people are criticizing Sasha (and Ronny) for leaning towards money.
THEY PLAY BBALL FOR LIVING, PEOPLE!
Basketball is their career. How are you gonna sit in front of your computer typing furiously about how NBA players shouldn't go for bigger contracts?
Would you rather be Slava Medvedenko with a championship ring and a Honda Civic, or would you rather be Ronny Turiaf with $4M/year contract?
Sorry if I come off as offensive, but I find this hating ridiculous and selfish as hell. |
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shasha18
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| ilovesashavujacic wrote: |
| srsly pleaseee dont go sasha. =( |
Ditto. I'd be very, very sad, too.  |
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I don't take any offense to what you wrote Kronz. Perhaps other members will think your a little blunt about it, but I do agree with you.
I am a fan who listens to players say countless times it is not about the money, it is about winning a championship. But then seeing this things in the paper about players from our team bolting for money can crush a die hard fan's spirit. I think you can sympathize. It hurts when they leave, but I do understand that this is the only way they can make money. They put their whole lives into making the NBA, something a very small amount of people can actually think is possible.
I admit I did get mad when Ronny left, but I understood he has his family to worry about, and I'm sure he wants the chance to be wealthy and secure a financial blanket for his loved ones.
The only thing that I don't like is hearing a player say I want to win a championship and stay, money isn't important, and then bolting for the money. If more players were up front about their intentions, I would be OK with it, and the player leaving the Lakers wouldn't bother me as much. |
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I can't believe people are criticizing Sasha (and Ronny) for leaning towards money.
THEY PLAY BBALL FOR LIVING, PEOPLE!
Basketball is their career. How are you gonna sit in front of your computer typing furiously about how NBA players shouldn't go for bigger contracts?
Would you rather be Slava Medvedenko with a championship ring and a Honda Civic, or would you rather be Ronny Turiaf with $4M/year contract?
Sorry if I come off as offensive, but I find this hating ridiculous and selfish as hell. |
you're outta your mind if you think all slava has is a honda civic.....
and lets say you're a doctor, sometimes saving lives for a living, making 300k a year, then in your eyes why the heck should sasha vujacic be complaining about 5-6 million vs. 4 million a year
you don't just pay people money because its their "living"
from a purely bball perspective, i don't think sasha doesn't deserve more than $5 million a year, and thats all what i'm basically saying
if he leaves because he wants more, than he can pack and leave, he isn't irreplaceable. he should stay, but only at the right price
that isn't sasha hate, that's being a rational fan, there is no point in overpaying for sasha, like him as a player, but again, for the right price ($ 5 million a year, nothing more)
and i will have no sympathy for sasha if he "only" ends up makes 4 million a year, he must be struggling so hard to buy his fancy cars and fancy headbands with that 4 million compared to the avg american barely raking in 50k a year struggling to pay their taxes and mortgages and fuel their cars to work |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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If Sasha really wants the money...this is his chance. Basically any Euro team can offer him a deal that the Lakers can't match.
Under the CBA they can only match other NBA offer sheets. |
thats not intirely true...European teams don't have the financial capacities like NBA teams...they have no merchandising, no big arenas, no big sponsors...
there are maybe a handfull European teams who have rich owners and actually can afford this...they don't have the same business volume by any means.
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I don't take any offense to what you wrote Kronz. Perhaps other members will think your a little blunt about it, but I do agree with you.
I am a fan who listens to players say countless times it is not about the money, it is about winning a championship. But then seeing this things in the paper about players from our team bolting for money can crush a die hard fan's spirit. I think you can sympathize. It hurts when they leave, but I do understand that this is the only way they can make money. They put their whole lives into making the NBA, something a very small amount of people can actually think is possible.
I admit I did get mad when Ronny left, but I understood he has his family to worry about, and I'm sure he wants the chance to be wealthy and secure a financial blanket for his loved ones.
The only thing that I don't like is hearing a player say I want to win a championship and stay, money isn't important, and then bolting for the money. If more players were up front about their intentions, I would be OK with it, and the player leaving the Lakers wouldn't bother me as much. |
Yeah I'm with you on the last part. I guess they just get caught up in the emotions and say [Bynum's agent]2_ year old talks[/Bynum's agent] before getting smacked back to reality by their agents and families.
It's not that I don't feel disappointed by players leaving and having contract disputes. I understand it's all about the Lakers loyalty. But we can't just look at them like robots programmed to play ball and cheat on their wives, they're young guys trying to get paid. It's a tough job... They gotta do what they gotta do. |
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Kronz
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Kronz wrote: |
I can't believe people are criticizing Sasha (and Ronny) for leaning towards money.
THEY PLAY BBALL FOR LIVING, PEOPLE!
Basketball is their career. How are you gonna sit in front of your computer typing furiously about how NBA players shouldn't go for bigger contracts?
Would you rather be Slava Medvedenko with a championship ring and a Honda Civic, or would you rather be Ronny Turiaf with $4M/year contract?
Sorry if I come off as offensive, but I find this hating ridiculous and selfish as hell. |
you're outta your mind if you think all slava has is a honda civic.....
and lets say you're a doctor, sometimes saving lives for a living, making 300k a year, then in your eyes why the heck should sasha vujacic be complaining about 5-6 million vs. 4 million a year
you don't just pay people money because its their "living"
from a purely bball perspective, i don't think sasha doesn't deserve more than $5 million a year, and thats all what i'm basically saying
if he leaves because he wants more, than he can pack and leave, he isn't irreplaceable. he should stay, but only at the right price
that isn't sasha hate, that's being a rational fan, there is no point in overpaying for sasha, like him as a player, but again, for the right price ($ 5 million a year, nothing more)
and i will have no sympathy for sasha if he "only" ends up makes 4 million a year, he must be struggling so hard to buy his fancy cars and fancy headbands with that 4 million compared to the avg american barely raking in 50k a year struggling to pay their taxes and mortgages and fuel their cars to work |
I'm just kidding about the Honda Civic : 
1-2 million a year is a lot for him, it's not like he was making that much so far in his career.
And you're right, he wants more than what he deserves, he can walk. I just don't like seeing everyone turning their backs on and dissing the players that leave.
I ain't gonna feel no sympathy either if he gets 4 mil, but if you can get a chance to make 6mil/yr over 4mil/yr by negotiating and shopping around, anyone would take that... |
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From the other thread on this exact same topic:
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I honestly think this is a dangerous possibility for Vujacic for several reasons:
1. Sasha is an extremely confident player who clearly thinks highly of himself. Those who have watched the Lakers this year understand that this is part of what makes him such a great three-point shooter and clutch performer. By going to Europe, and even his home country of Slovenia, he immediately becomes a star and a national sensation. This has to appeal to his already evident ego.
2. Sasha did explicitly say, "I will go to the team that wants me the most." If he is going to get paid MORE money, have MORE fans, and receive a MORE prominent role, is there any other way to interpret the offer but as displaying a higher degree of desire for his services than is being shown in the United States? I don't think so. As others have mentioned, each Euro is worth approximately 1.56 USD. When you combine that with the fact they would be willing to pay Sasha's taxes AND he'd be an endorsement king in his own country, there is no doubt the offer is more financially lucrative.
Another thing I think we should consider is the ramifications of Sasha's potential defection. Surely this would force Mitch to make SOME kind of roster change, would it not? Sasha's departure would leave the team with three NBA ready guards: Kobe Bryant, Jordan Farmar, and Derek Fisher. Coby Karl is a not an NBA talent and Crawford isn't ready to contribute. Neither played has impressed in the summer league.
There are two ways to address the holes that would be created by such an occurance:
1. Free Agency:
Would the Lakers target remaining guards such as Ricky Davis, JR Smith, and Quinton Ross (to name a few popular CL targets)
2. Via Trade
Does this increase the likely hood of an Artest trade? Something else?
In my opinion, if Sasha leaves, it may be too late for us to secure an adequate back-up with the pool of talent dwindling by the day. Kurt Thomas was signed not too long ago and he was probably the last reliable, proven big man available (though we have heard whispers of Garbo and Elson).
Hopefully Mitch and Co. get a game plan in place, and I have that they will, in case Sasha leaves because, the way I see it, this is a legitimate possibility. |
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I'd rather have him leaving for Europe than going to another NBA team. I wouldn't want to watch the Lakers have to play against him.
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bye sasha!!!
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