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puffyusaf#2
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I am glad the Lakers aren't just looking to make a move for the sake of doing it. Trading Odom just for the sake of trading him is something fans come up with good thing the FO is smarter than that.
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nothing will unless deng demands to be sign and traded
then the lakers will start calling
until then the bulls most likely are holding out hope that he has a change of heart
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| puffyusaf#2 wrote: |
| I am glad the Lakers aren't just looking to make a move for the sake of doing it. Trading Odom just for the sake of trading him is something fans come up with good thing the FO is smarter than that. |
lamar for luol deng is hardly making a move to simply make a move
the front office obviously loves this guy for a reason
hes 23 averaged 17ppg when he was 22 years old
is as long as lamar and plays way better defense
not to mention he can score on his own if necessary
also him and kobe are friends
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: Re: Rumors: Chicago Stalemate |
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Remember they tried to get Hinrich/Deng/Noah for Kobe – if they could get 2 of those guys for Odom and pieces – they might actually consider it.
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If that was really what the Lakers wanted, and the Bulls didn't jump on it, then the whole front office should be fired.
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The Lakers would be a terrible destination for Luol Deng.
Kobe took 21.
Gasol took 12.
Bynum took 9.
Fisher took 10.
Farmar took 8.
This coming season, Farmar and Fisher will still probably combine for 18-20 shots.
Gasol will probably stay around 12-13 and Kobe will stay around 20. Bynum averaged 9 FGA last year, but for some of the first half of the season he was a backup which means that number is likely to go up to Gasol's or so (around 12). If they're resigning Sasha he will at least match his shot count from last year at around 7-8.
Odom took 10 shots per game last season, and that was without Bynum on the floor for substantial minutes for much of the season. That means Deng will at best get 10 shots per game if not likely less than that. He's never taken less than 12.2 shots per game in his short career ever.
Why he'd want to go to a place where he'd set a new career low in shot attempts is beyond me. He'd be the FOURTH option on this team. I know the name and stuff seems great on paper, but it's not going to fit. And yes I know some of you will say he should get Luke and Vlad's time on the court, but that's just not going to happen in reality (unless we also move one of these guys). In reality, Phil is going to play and give Vlad/Luke the 7 shots or so each a game that they take.
Either way you slice it, unless you turn Kobe into more of a role player, Deng just wouldn't fit in with the vast number of weapons we already have. |
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iggypop123
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| emplay. wouldnt the byc from deng make the odom deal complicated. would a gooden and deng for odom work better. im not a fan of hinrich and gooden expires soon and would be great in the second squad to provide bench minutes;. |
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Futuristic
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Odom and Rose running the pick-and-roll????
Scary if you ask me! |
If the Odom and Kobe P & R didn't work, I doubt Rose would make Odom more dangerous.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to make a bold prediction here and say that nothing will come of this. |
that's not exactly a bold prediction.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rumors: Chicago Stalemate |
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| emplay wrote: |
Remember they tried to get Hinrich/Deng/Noah for Kobe – if they could get 2 of those guys for Odom and pieces – they might actually consider it.
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If that was really what the Lakers wanted, and the Bulls didn't jump on it, then the whole front office should be fired. |
I could be mistaken but Kobe vetoed the trade.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Armani wrote: |
| kray28 wrote: |
| I'm going to make a bold prediction here and say that nothing will come of this. |
that's not exactly a bold prediction. |
Just like a lot of fine posters predicted that nothing will be done last year. Then again, this situation is a little different from last year because rumors are rampant this time around. Guess it's a wait a see type of thing. I'd love to see Deng here in L.A. though.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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deng? ew. no jumper, average defense. i'd rather have odom.
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Odom is an attractive expiring, and the Lakers have that in their back pocket. If they can't move Lamar in an impact deal, they may just as soon use his expiring to get some luxury tax/cap relief and, depending on how well Bynum performs this year, look into signing a much less expensive 4th option for next season. I think that if Lamar is moved, it will be after they see a) how Andrew does and b) how well or poorly the Odom, Gasol, Bynum front line performs. I don't think Lamar goes anywhere for awhile unless it's for an offer the front office can't refuse.
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iggypop123
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| lunatic4jc wrote: |
| deng? ew. no jumper, average defense. i'd rather have odom. |
his midrange is actually automatic if he is open. his 3 pointers are his weakness |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| lunatic4jc wrote: |
| deng? ew. no jumper, average defense. i'd rather have odom. |
would rather have deng but am completely fine with keeping odom
by the way deng is an excellent midrange shooter which is more than i can say for lamar
and deng is a very good defender and has been with absolutely no 7 footers behind him
add bynum and gasol we are talking all league defense
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Odom is an attractive expiring, and the Lakers have that in their back pocket. If they can't move Lamar in an impact deal, they may just as soon use his expiring to get some luxury tax/cap relief and, depending on how well Bynum performs this year, look into signing a much less expensive 4th option for next season. I think that if Lamar is moved, it will be after they see a) how Andrew does and b) how good or poorly the Odom, Gasol, Bynum front line performs. I don't think Lamar goes anywhere for awhile unless it's for an offer the front office can't refuse. |
basically hinrich and deng
if they were willing to take it for kobe they would take it for lamar
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Alleyhoops
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| last stand wrote: |
| Alleyhoops wrote: |
| Odom is an attractive expiring, and the Lakers have that in their back pocket. If they can't move Lamar in an impact deal, they may just as soon use his expiring to get some luxury tax/cap relief and, depending on how well Bynum performs this year, look into signing a much less expensive 4th option for next season. I think that if Lamar is moved, it will be after they see a) how Andrew does and b) how good or poorly the Odom, Gasol, Bynum front line performs. I don't think Lamar goes anywhere for awhile unless it's for an offer the front office can't refuse. |
basically hinrich and deng
if they were willing to take it for kobe they would take it for lamar |
Possibly. But take into consideration that they would have opted for that deal only because their hand was being forced. When you move a player of Bryant's stature, it's because there are drastic measures applied to a dire situation. They're not quite in that position at the moment.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Alleyhoops wrote: |
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| Alleyhoops wrote: |
| Odom is an attractive expiring, and the Lakers have that in their back pocket. If they can't move Lamar in an impact deal, they may just as soon use his expiring to get some luxury tax/cap relief and, depending on how well Bynum performs this year, look into signing a much less expensive 4th option for next season. I think that if Lamar is moved, it will be after they see a) how Andrew does and b) how good or poorly the Odom, Gasol, Bynum front line performs. I don't think Lamar goes anywhere for awhile unless it's for an offer the front office can't refuse. |
basically hinrich and deng
if they were willing to take it for kobe they would take it for lamar |
Possibly. But take into consideration that they would have opted for that deal only because their hand was being forced. When you move a player of Bryant's stature, it's because there are drastic measures applied to a dire situation. They're not quite in that position at the moment. |
yeah but deng and hinrich is very good value for lamar
if we could get that out of lamar we would get a stacked starting 5 along with eliminating the risk of him walking for nothing at years end
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sure.. but Chicago has to be high on Odom and I'm not sure they like him in the magnitude of giving up both Deng/Hinrich. not everyone is Chris Wallace.
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What? 
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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last stand - I don't know how serious Portland would be in getting a player like Deng - in acquiring his salary - and making a deal that satisfies the BYC requirements.
if I'm Portland - i don't do anything that brings on big salary - because they may already be a playoff team as is.
UKUGA - at the time the Bulls had beaten the Heat in the first round of the playoffs - and everyone loved Hinrich and Deng. The Bulls ultimately had a package of Deng, Gordon and Noah available to the Lakers that LA was willing to work with - but Kobe vetoed it.
iggy - a deal like Hinrich + Deng ($11 mil starting) for Odom, Farmar and either Ariza or Mihm is workable with Deng's byc. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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last stand - I don't know how serious Portland would be in getting a player like Deng - in acquiring his salary - and making a deal that satisfies the BYC requirements.
if I'm Portland - i don't do anything that brings on big salary - because they may already be a playoff team as is.
UKUGA - at the time the Bulls had beaten the Heat in the first round of the playoffs - and everyone loved Hinrich and Deng. The Bulls ultimately had a package of Deng, Gordon and Noah available to the Lakers that LA was willing to work with - but Kobe vetoed it.
iggy - a deal like Hinrich + Deng ($11 mil starting) for Odom, Farmar and either Ariza or Mihm is workable with Deng's byc. |
emplay,
luol deng has set a deadline for august 4th for the bulls to give him the right offer
at that point he will demand a sign and trade
what are the chances luol deng is a laker if it gets to that point
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Sure.. but Chicago has to be high on Odom and I'm not sure they like him in the magnitude of giving up both Deng/Hinrich. not everyone is Chris Wallace.
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| slim but not zero |
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ScoobySnackz
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What about the other teams is it slim as well?
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kray28
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Armani wrote: |
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| I'm going to make a bold prediction here and say that nothing will come of this. |
that's not exactly a bold prediction. |
They say sarcasm is a lost art...I'd argue that understanding it is.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Scooby - I haven't had a chance to seriously look at what other teams can or might be offering - a bit swamped with other things |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Can you confidently say Kwame Brown will be back next year?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I would never say that about a free agent or trade target but I think there's a good chance |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I would never say that about a free agent or trade target but I think there's a good chance |
is their plan to replace turiaf really chris mihm getting healthy?
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| no - I think it's Kwame - and Mihm is either there to help - or traded as a last year |
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