FIBArecruitingSasha too? Answer:Sasha stays w/ Lakers

iml84myd8s · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 248

Is the FIBA recruiting Sasha too?

Would Sasha consider a higher contract to go back home?

Could Sahsa receive a similar contract that allows Sasha to test the NBA market every offseason when more teams have more salary cap flexibility?

Sasha's agent will use the current FIBA signings and contract offers as leverage for Sasha.

Boobie Gibson received $21M for 5 years to stay with the Cavilers.
But Childress is considering $20M for 3 years to play in Europe.
And Nachbar already accepted $14M for 3 years to play in Europe.

How much will the Lakers need to spend to keep Sasha in the P&G?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20080721#STORY_10567

KB24@CL · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:34 am Post subject:

If you are ambitious, then the NBA is still the place to be...

anyone who leaves the NBA doesn't do it for basketball reasons unless he doesn't get any playing time here...

but if you ARE good enaugh for the NBA...and decide to go back to Europe...then its a sign of lack of competitiveness unless the difference in money is really significant.
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V.V.V.V.V. · Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 210 Location: Hollywood

Yeah that's what we keep telling ourselves. We must be the best league....

The euro league offers more money for the 2nd string player, no bogus rules created to stop a player or a team, and fair refs with no mob connections. Sounds good to me.

Now I'm not too sure about the tax-free statement...
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lakurluv · Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 99

I can't say I blame any of these guys for wanting to go to Europe. Financially there in a way better situation. If Sasha chooses to go, the Machine will be missed, but I think LA wants to keep him around. He can shoot, and he's developed quite a fiesty attitude since being in LA.

davriver290 · Joined: 17 Jun 2006 Posts: 2923

One good thing I can say about the Euro League is that the refs are about 300 times more consistent then ours. Plus a touch on a superstar isnt a foul over there.

kobe would get his fair share, as would any superstar, but won't get the NBA SUPERSTAR treatment.
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KB24@CL · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:

ilovesashavujacic · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject:

noway. if sasha were to go bak to europe, i would be really upset with him, being in the nba is a huge honor, and he better know that.

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and i am sure if Kobe would to receive a $180mill contract for a 5yr deal on the best team in Euro i am sure he would take that...............

At the end of the day Money makes the world go round jam2

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^ i dont think he wants the stigma of not being able to win w/o shaq.

Maybe after a ring or two
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don't do itttttttttttttt
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LAKERSPR · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject:

If u get a contract of 20 millions(euro) for 3 seasons and you play about 40-50 games a season,against 20 millions(dollar) for a regular season of 82 games which one you will select?

I would prefer NBA, over any league,its no the same be a NBA CHAMP than be the ACB champ or another league around the world.

But when money talk only check at TURIAF.
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iml84myd8s · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 248

First of all, the amount of money players are receiving in FIBA is unbelievable. Childress and Nachbar can earn more money in 3 years than a lot of similar skilled players can make in 5 years playing in the NBA.

Boobie Gibson received $21M for 5 years to stay with the Cavilers.
But Childress is considering $20M for 3 years to play in Europe.
And Nachbar already accepted $14M for 3 years to play in Europe.

Second of all, if you notice, the FIBA teams are also providing reasonable buyouts in their contracts so these players can test the free agent market every summer! Why would a Childress or Sasha type player turn down $6.7M per year ($20M for 3 years) since they have the option to test the free agent market after every season?!?!

Keep in mind, there are a lot less games in a FIBA season, so that $6.7M per year turns out to be a LOT MORE MONEY PER GAME in the FIBA league.

Maddocks15 · Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject:

hope he signs with someone, we need that 5 mil to get artest and that trble contract they will send with him called.......kenny thomas
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KareemTheGreat33 · Joined: 09 Jul 2004 Posts: 1760 Location: Philippines

I'm sorry but what does FIBA want with Sasha? Make him a referee? man10

If the World governing body for bball need a new officer or employee, I don't think they'll hire Sasha who'll balk at being lowly paid..

Now if an Italian or Spanish league (uses FIBA rules) team like Real will sign Sasha...that's another story.
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daco_inc · Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 942 Location: Fremont, CA

So there is absolutely no reports of Sasha even thinking about going overseas, and this thread basically presents some completely baseless scenario?
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iml84myd8s · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 248

What NBA player would not like to have the option to OPT OUT and explore FREE AGENCY EVERY SUMMER?!?!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3501488

Ex-Hawk Childress signs with Greek club team

L4L · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:38 am Post subject:

I honestly think this is a dangerous possibility for Vujacic for several reasons:

1. Sasha is an extremely confident player who clearly thinks highly of himself. Those who have watched the Lakers this year understand that this is part of what makes him such a great three-point shooter and clutch performer. By going to Europe, and even his home country of Slovenia, he immediately becomes a star and a national sensation. This has to appeal to his already evident ego.

2. Sasha did explicitly say, "I will go to the team that wants me the most." If he is going to get paid MORE money, have MORE fans, and receive a MORE prominent role, is there any other way to interpret the offer but as displaying a higher degree of desire for his services than is being shown in the United States? I don't think so. As others have mentioned, each Euro is worth approximately 1.56 USD. When you combine that with the fact they would be willing to pay Sasha's taxes AND he'd be an endorsement king in his own country, there is no doubt the offer is more financially lucrative.

Another thing I think we should consider is the ramifications of Sasha's potential defection. Surely this would force Mitch to make SOME kind of roster change, would it not? Sasha's departure would leave the team with three NBA ready guards: Kobe Bryant, Jordan Farmar, and Derek Fisher. Coby Karl is a not an NBA talent and Crawford isn't ready to contribute. Neither played has impressed in the summer league.

There are two ways to address the holes that would be created by such an occurance:
1. Free Agency:
Would the Lakers target remaining guards such as Ricky Davis, JR Smith, and Quinton Ross (to name a few popular CL targets)

2. Via Trade
Does this increase the likely hood of an Artest trade? Something else?

In my opinion, if Sasha leaves, it may be too late for us to secure an adequate back-up with the pool of talent dwindling by the day. Kurt Thomas was signed not too long ago and he was probably the last reliable, proven big man available (though we have heard whispers of Garbo and Elson).

Hopefully Mitch and Co. get a game plan in place, and I have that they will, in case Sasha leaves because, the way I see it, this is a legitimate possibility.
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iml84myd8s · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 248

More players are likely to accept contracts from FIBA Europe basketball...

Now that the Lakers are competing with lucrative FIBA Europe basketball contracts, along with the other NBA teams (MLE), it is becoming more evident and realistic the Lakers will need to offer a contract to Sasha that falls in line with the contracts the Lakers gave Radmanovic and Walton.

Besides the money is better with the current FIBA Europe contracts, the other main factor with the FIBA Europe contract offers is the Option to Opt Out EVERY summer so these players can explore Free Agency every year. Their contracts are gauranteed, so they can play a shorter season and wait for some NBA team to throw a truckload of money at them to come play in the NBA again.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors?univLogin02=stateChanged

Europe An Option For Landry
The agent for restricted free agent forward Carl Landry told FOX 26 Sports Wednesday playing outside the NBA may become an option for his client.

"Carl would entertain all serious offers," said Buddy Baker, Landry's agent. "There is serious interest in Carl by both other NBA teams and internationally."

"Carl and his agent are doing what they think is best for him and if that includes exploring Europe that is their right to do that," said Daryl Morey, Houston Rockets General Manager.

"We continue to want Carl as a Rocket. We have a difference of opinion on the next steps to get him re-signed, but we have not changed our desire to see him return." -- MyFox Houston.com

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9575

Restricted Free Agency and the Euro: Certainly to be hotly contested when the next Collective Bargaining Agreement is hashed out, restricted free agency just got a lot more complicated as Josh Childress leaves the NBA with a lucrative deal in Greece (Olympiacos Piraeus).

Each year the battle between the restricted free agents (RFA) and their respective teams has gotten messier. Last season Anderson Varejao held out until December with threats of playing overseas until the Charlotte Bobcats surprisingly stepped forward with an offer sheet that Cleveland happily matched.

Teams are proving generally reluctant to even try and poach another team's RFA. One NBA executive pointed out that the only way to get a big name RFA is to by definition offer them a terrible contract.

If the offer isn't generous enough, the team's cap room could get tied up for seven days only to see it met. For the inconvenience of missing out on other free agents for a week, they may get a thank you note from the matching franchise for helping them out of a contract stalemate. It may not be worth the hassle.

Players like Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala, Josh Smith, Emeka Okafor and Ben Gordon are all quality players but each has potential to be a liability locked in at a near-maximum contract over five seasons.

A team like the Los Angeles Clippers opted to use their cap room to acquire the reasonably priced Marcus Camby for two years rather than overpay someone like Smith. Restricted free agency is becoming secondary for teams with cap room who are now looking to trades as the answer.

Once cap room around the league is gone, team's negotiating with their own RFA's have held all the leverage until Childress' bold move.

Since competing teams don't want to offer Mid Level Exception (MLE) deals only to see them matched, the international threat just earned some serious teeth.

One expatriate playing in Greece recently said he's turned down offers to return to the NBA but "doesn't care to." Why should he since the Euro is so strong? The team finds a way to pay any taxes and provides him a driver and a place to live. He's treated like a king and plays a fraction of the games required in the NBA where he'd be a bench player.

Watching players like Bostjan Nachbar and Juan Carlos Navarro return overseas isn't as stunning as American-born Josh Childress. Look for a number of RFA's this summer to explore overseas offers; agents for Deng, Iguodala, Smith, Okafor, Gordon and others like Sasha Vujacic and JR Smith are likely to make some international phone calls.

The NCAA has a similar issue with Brandon Jennings who opted to play for Virtus Roma for a paycheck instead of college ball at the University of Arizona. The impact of Jennings' decision is hard to quantify, but the NBA is immediately feeling the impact of the Childress decision.

As far as the Collective Bargaining Agreement (set to be renegotiated in either 2011 or 2012 at the league's option), there's no legislation to be made that can stop a free agent from signing a contract overseas. Rules for restricted free agency can be loosened which is certainly an argument the players might make (at the urging of their agents), but players leaving the NBA may become more common moving forward.

Cap guru Larry Coon verified that the Atlanta Hawks retain Childress' rights indefinitely as long as they submit qualifying offers each summer. Childress won't be able to return to the NBA without going through the Hawks - whether they sign him directly, match an offer sheet or decide to let him go.

iml84myd8s · Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 248

Do you really think the Lakers would give Sasha a contract with the Option to Opt Out and become a Unrestricted Free Agent after EVERY season?!?!

Besides the dollars being greater, the opportunity to control ones freedom is even greater!

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Sasha will stay in L.A..

Book it.
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