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 Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: Bynum's Impact on Lamar Odom |
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Remember being 17 years old people. Hell, I'm sure a lot of people here aren't even 17 yet. That might be the most awkward age a person can be, and to be a kid who's new to the game, moved to L.A. to be on a team with legends like Kobe and Phil, and quietly asked to be the savior of the franchise at the same time? That equals pressure, and Andrew Bynum can handle it.
And a tape from Kobe in the offseason blasting the managements faith in you? Come on. That could break anyone down, ESPECIALLY a young kid like that in a situation that's way out of his element. What does he come back and do? BALL. Kid is showing potential that makes this team destined to dominate for the next 3-5 years. He could potentially be the best center in the league. I think we are forgetting this right now. What about the fallen hero that helped us gain first place in the West before his injury? Take that first place team, add Gasol. Take the Finals team, add Bynum. Either way, it looks sweet.
I think we are looking at the negative more than the positive; we are about to get one of the biggest impact players in the league asserted into the starting line-up of a team that went to the Finals. He addresses the main need of defense.
Fisher was playing great D at the beginning of the season right? I do remember reading that over-and-over - people thought he improved so much. What happens after Drew goes down? Fisher is once again the turnstyle getting worked. Bynum made everyone that much better. I could go into the discussion of Kobe being a DPOY candidate as well, but I'm sure you all remember that. This improved defense, which naturally comes with having a great defender down low, made me think...
The popular thing around Laker Nation is getting the SF that does this, does that, and does everything Lamar doesn't, but isn't it just possible that Odom's length and versatility on D, with Bynum anchoring and Kobe also doing his thing, could actually work? The defense is really all I'm worried about, because on a team with automatic scoring in Bynum, the best offensive player in the game in Kobe, an elite PF in Gasol, and a fourth option in Odom, I feel we can make do as long as we keep teams under a certain amount.
We forget Odom is an elite rebounder. We forget Odom can help defend the taller step-out PF's. We forget he can score inside.
I'm not saying we shouldn't trade for Artest, take a look at Hinrich, or possibly go after Marion. I'm just saying that we have it good right now and we shouldn't be so pessimistic when the future is bright. Maybe taking a chance on that frontline is worth it.... there's nothing to lose....
...because, we could always just trade Odom. 
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I think our team that was in first in the west before AB went down was better than our team when we added Gasol.. Alot of our success after we got Pau was due to the amazing games LO was having. Everyone was gushing about how Lamar was playing his best ball ever now that he's the clear third option..
I'm very interested to see if Odom continues to thrive with the big guy back.. If he doesn't, I think our first option should be trading Gasol.. Not only because of his softness, refusal to take the pressure shots & lazy D that played a huge role in us losing the finals, but also because I believew we can get more value for him. Some foolish GM is sure to think this guy can be their franchise player |
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I can't believe people want to give Odom another chance, but throw Pau Gasol under the bus after he helped us get to the top.
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| I can't believe people want to give Odom another chance, but throw Pau Gasol under the bus after he helped us get to the top. |
How did I throw Pau under?
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| Kobe Bryant 8 wrote: |
| chug o nomics wrote: |
| I can't believe people want to give Odom another chance, but throw Pau Gasol under the bus after he helped us get to the top. |
How did I throw Pau under? |
He's talking at the guy above you.
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I am getting tired of Lamar Odom. That is all.
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It took a move to the No.3 role on the team for LO to be aggressive and consistent...there's something fundamentally wrong with that
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I agree that we shouldn't blow a team up that just went to the nba finals. It's more of the lines of we now have a twin tower and an extremely valuable piece with Odom that could get us another defensive stopper at the SF position and makes us look more like the bulls teams.
Say just for argument we got marion.
I mean a lineup of.
Fisher
Kobe
Marion
Pau
Bynum
Our worst defender is Fisher which marion can guard PGs and you kind of say Pau but, he is so-so man defender.
I do agree even if we don't make a move we can still easily be back in the finals with bynum I just think however chances like this don't come along and if you have a very valuable piece which with the addition of bynum Odom will probaly go down in play so his value is at it's highest for awhile and the right offer comes take it.
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| I am getting tired of Lamar Odom. That is all. |
Yeah who cares if he helps make the team better and creates the longest frontcourt in the history of the NBA. We're just tired of him. I mean come on, what people need to realize is that Kobe, Pau and Bynum take more than half the shots in a game.
People keep throwing the name Deng out there or Artest, but these guys, are going to have to set new career lows and while Artest MAY be willing to do that, Deng won't (he's 25, and surely wants that first big payday before making a sacrifice like that).
You bring young, up and coming players who are still improving, and put them in a situation that stunts their growth, and they're going to get unhappy. If their unhappy, they won't produce. Odom is more than happy with his 9-10 shots per game so long as he is dishing the ball and rebounding. That's what we need (not at $14M/yr sure, but that's what we need).
I mean what is it that we need the 4th option of the starting squad to do exactly? Score 25 PPG? Score 20 PPG? Odom is overpaid now with Pau and Bynum being more of the focus, but he does the little things that we need. Moves the ball, uses his length, is a good teammate who is willing to sacrifice his numbers for the sake of the team, and rebounds. |
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| knm131 wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
| I am getting tired of Lamar Odom. That is all. |
Yeah who cares if he helps make the team better and creates the longest frontcourt in the history of the NBA. We're just tired of him. I mean come on, what people need to realize is that Kobe, Pau and Bynum take more than half the shots in a game.
People keep throwing the name Deng out there or Artest, but these guys, are going to have to set new career lows and while Artest MAY be willing to do that, Deng won't (he's 25, and surely wants that first big payday before making a sacrifice like that).
You bring young, up and coming players who are still improving, and put them in a situation that stunts their growth, and they're going to get unhappy. If their unhappy, they won't produce. Odom is more than happy with his 9-10 shots per game so long as he is dishing the ball and rebounding. That's what we need (not at $14M/yr sure, but that's what we need). |
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It depends on what kind of person deng is. Deng might not get the shots but, he will be a key cog with his defense. Plus rocking a ring wouldn't be a bad deal. He still can get paid though if we do a s&T giving up odom for him.
the probelm I have with odom is can he guard the SF position and i am not so sure about that.
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| chug o nomics wrote: |
| I can't believe people want to give Odom another chance, but throw Pau Gasol under the bus after he helped us get to the top. |
word ..
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| strikemode14 wrote: |
| knm131 wrote: |
| karacha wrote: |
| I am getting tired of Lamar Odom. That is all. |
Yeah who cares if he helps make the team better and creates the longest frontcourt in the history of the NBA. We're just tired of him. I mean come on, what people need to realize is that Kobe, Pau and Bynum take more than half the shots in a game.
People keep throwing the name Deng out there or Artest, but these guys, are going to have to set new career lows and while Artest MAY be willing to do that, Deng won't (he's 25, and surely wants that first big payday before making a sacrifice like that).
You bring young, up and coming players who are still improving, and put them in a situation that stunts their growth, and they're going to get unhappy. If their unhappy, they won't produce. Odom is more than happy with his 9-10 shots per game so long as he is dishing the ball and rebounding. That's what we need (not at $14M/yr sure, but that's what we need). |
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It depends on what kind of person deng is. Deng might not get the shots but, he will be a key cog with his defense. Plus rocking a ring wouldn't be a bad deal. He still can get paid though if we do a s&T giving up odom for him.
the probelm I have with odom is can he guard the SF position and i am not so sure about that. |
I agree, rocking a ring wouldn't be a bad deal.
For us.
But if you're young player who is on the up and up, and you're itching for that ring, you want to win it because of you, not in spite of you.
Ask Bryant, Kobe.
We need to be realistic here. And in reality, no 25 yr old player of Deng's caliber is going to be ecstatic to get 9 shots per game and play behind 3 players who get to touch the ball before he does. |
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| It took a move to the No.3 role on the team for LO to be aggressive and consistent...there's something fundamentally wrong with that |
Depend on what you mean by aggressive. Odom's always been aggressive when going for rebounds, finding the open man, grabbing for loose balls. He's just not a scorer. He's got Rasheed Wallace's mentality. They just never want the pressure of being the main guy. They're happier when the pressure is on someone else so they can just go out and play basketball without thinking too much. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: Re: Bynum's Impact on Lamar Odom |
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We forget Odom is an elite rebounder. We forget Odom can help defend the taller step-out PF's. We forget he can score inside.
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If Bynum is going to be in there, Odom's rebounding will not be needed as much. Bynum is clearly capable if pulling down 12-15 rebounds per game. If Odom and Pau are also going to be in the paint, it's going to be VERY DANGEROUS for Bynum with all the feet in there, not to mention the extra defender that will be in there too. It will increase the chances of Bynum landing on someone's foot and getting injured again. It was the same way Bynum got injured too, landing on Odom's foot.
We don't need Odom to score inside either. We have two great low-post players who work well down low, whether it's scoring or passing. We need players with range who can spread the floor for Bynum and Pau so that the offense can run efficiently. Or else, it will be VERY crowded inside.
The only point I do agree on is his ability to use his length on defense. He can change shots, and has good reach. But he either needs work on agility to keep up with quick SF's or get stronger to keep guys from driving into the paint.
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knm131: You explained everything nicely. You also like Lamar, which is nice, I respect that.
However, I am still tired of Lamar Odom, posts about Lamar Odom, everything that's in any way connected to Lamar Odom.
I guess I just had too many discussions about him - will he show up? Oh, he had an amazing game! Wow, the next one... he was invisible. People call him great, others call him Casper. Should he go to the nightclub after the game? Or not? Does he still smoke pot? Is he underpaid? Overpaid? Is he an elite rebounder? Can he play SF? How about PG?
It's always something with this guy, and I'm just tired of it. Man, Kobe freakin' Bryant is not discussed that much on this forum.
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Can someone please explain why they want Odom to go so badly? Last I remember he was going against KG, a defensive monster and blocking machine. He can guard many PF's since they are mostly permiter PF's. Odom is just going to add more defensive precense with Gasol and Bynum on the block. We don't need more scoring we need toughness and defense.
You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving.
Why is there countless threads about him going? He aint going anywhere, Mitch Phil, the whole staff loves him. Does he deserve the money though? No. But I have no doubt that kobe and Odom will opt out when they can and take far less to win a couple more championships.
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You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving. |
We had length and size before Bynum's injury and we were STILL abused inside . Length and size means nothing if you lack the mental toughness to use it. Mental toughness is something that is almost inbred, you can't learn it, you either have it or you don't. Having a tough guy at the 3 who can shoot the 3 would be perfect for us at the moment. Odom isn't tough and Odom cannot shoot the 3. This is the reason why he cannot be kept. People will always say, "he helped us get to the NBA Finals". Why not trade Odom for a guy who will help us WIN the NBA Finals?
Odom's fact paycheck is another reason why he should be traded.
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You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving. |
We had length and size before Bynum's injury and we were STILL abused inside . Length and size means nothing if you lack the mental toughness to use it. Mental toughness is something that is almost inbred, you can't learn it, you either have it or you don't. Having a tough guy at the 3 who can shoot the 3 would be perfect for us at the moment. Odom isn't tough and Odom cannot shoot the 3. This is the reason why he cannot be kept. People will always say, "he helped us get to the NBA Finals". Why not trade Odom for a guy who will help us WIN the NBA Finals?
Odom's fact paycheck is another reason why he should be traded. |
if a guy can help you get to through the West and to the Finals, then he can definitely help WIN the Finals. they wanted it more, we choked Game 4, and nobody on our team played a good series. Trade LO for Artest in these Finals, we still would have lost.
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You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving. |
We had length and size before Bynum's injury and we were STILL abused inside . Length and size means nothing if you lack the mental toughness to use it. Mental toughness is something that is almost inbred, you can't learn it, you either have it or you don't. Having a tough guy at the 3 who can shoot the 3 would be perfect for us at the moment. Odom isn't tough and Odom cannot shoot the 3. This is the reason why he cannot be kept. People will always say, "he helped us get to the NBA Finals". Why not trade Odom for a guy who will help us WIN the NBA Finals?
Odom's fact paycheck is another reason why he should be traded. |
if a guy can help you get to through the West and to the Finals, then he can definitely help WIN the Finals. they wanted it more, we choked Game 4, and nobody on our team played a good series. Trade LO for Artest in these Finals, we still would have lost. |
Here's a question then, if we had a good attitude Artest instead of Odom, do you think we would have had a better record or not? Include all the injuries to Bynum/Gasol/Ariza and so forth as well.
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^ not a chance. the reason we were able to succeed despite the injuries was primarily due to LO's versatility. he played amazing ball as soon as we got Pau.
with a healthy lineup, we may be better off with Artest over LO, but given the injuries we had this year, LO was much more valuable to us than Artest would have been.
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^ not a chance. the reason we were able to succeed despite the injuries was primarily due to LO's versatility. he played amazing ball as soon as we got Pau.
with a healthy lineup, we may be better off with Artest over LO, but given the injuries we had this year, LO was much more valuable to us than Artest would have been. |
Agreed. Also you just have to value Odom more than Artest right now with Bynum's knee still in question and we left Tariff go. Theres no way an Artest or who ever can come in and fill the role of LO. |
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| wallangong wrote: |
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You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving. |
We had length and size before Bynum's injury and we were STILL abused inside . Length and size means nothing if you lack the mental toughness to use it. Mental toughness is something that is almost inbred, you can't learn it, you either have it or you don't. Having a tough guy at the 3 who can shoot the 3 would be perfect for us at the moment. Odom isn't tough and Odom cannot shoot the 3. This is the reason why he cannot be kept. People will always say, "he helped us get to the NBA Finals". Why not trade Odom for a guy who will help us WIN the NBA Finals?
Odom's fact paycheck is another reason why he should be traded. |
if a guy can help you get to through the West and to the Finals, then he can definitely help WIN the Finals. they wanted it more, we choked Game 4, and nobody on our team played a good series. Trade LO for Artest in these Finals, we still would have lost. |
Exactly what I was gonna say. Plus buddy, no, we were far more better defensivley with odom and Bynum at the frontline. The injury of Bynum I think really affected the Lakers. We lost our true Center. And Pau showed us in the finals what he truly is. A very skilled PF. I mean when Garnett was guarding him, Pau abused him. When Perkins had him he couldnt do squat. Not really anyones fault. Odom played decent, averaged almost 15 and 10 a game. Thats damn good if your going up against Garnett. Odom is more of a slasher and driving guy. Which is why he is fit for the SF.
But really what Im trying to say is Odom isn't leaving, he isn't going to be traded.
Those Chicago rumors is just like any other rumor. (Nothing) We have plenty of PG's. Right now what the lakers need is a solid backup SG, and a backup for the C spot. Mihm and Mbenga aint gonna cut it. Odom can take up the job of a backup PF. While he starts at the SF.
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| Darth Bynumite wrote: |
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You guys really need to look at tape, he attacked and attacked, and YES refs were letting Celtics get away with more contact, no doubt.
Odom's length and size will just prevent Teams from abusing us with penetration. No he isnt leaving. |
We had length and size before Bynum's injury and we were STILL abused inside . Length and size means nothing if you lack the mental toughness to use it. Mental toughness is something that is almost inbred, you can't learn it, you either have it or you don't. Having a tough guy at the 3 who can shoot the 3 would be perfect for us at the moment. Odom isn't tough and Odom cannot shoot the 3. This is the reason why he cannot be kept. People will always say, "he helped us get to the NBA Finals". Why not trade Odom for a guy who will help us WIN the NBA Finals?
Odom's fact paycheck is another reason why he should be traded. |
if a guy can help you get to through the West and to the Finals, then he can definitely help WIN the Finals. they wanted it more, we choked Game 4, and nobody on our team played a good series. Trade LO for Artest in these Finals, we still would have lost. |
Here's a question then, if we had a good attitude Artest instead of Odom, do you think we would have had a better record or not? Include all the injuries to Bynum/Gasol/Ariza and so forth as well. |
As for "good attitude" Artest is a better player than LO..... sure. Artest would be better than a lot of the players these days. Heck, he can be a top 10 player if he can put it all together. But wait, you didnt put the good attitude Artest cause this guy's known for having the best attitudes right?? He's ruined teams after teams because of his attitude. He's not going to change just like Lamar's not going to change. They'll say all the right things but eventually they all return to their true self. Lamar and Artest are my 2 fav players in the league so I wouldnt mind having Artest on the Lakers at all but dont kid yourself by saying he'll be a brand new man and walk a straight line if he's on the Lakers. |
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| Can someone please explain why they want Odom to go so badly? |
I don't think people really want to get of him so badly - it's just that... he has a huge expiring contract. It's very, very valuable.
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People must be confused. When we got gasol our Trio dismantled scrub teams and eastern conference teams. He still couldn't do crap against defensive teams.
The fact is Lamar Odom has been fooling us all. He is a PF that shys away from contact. He is not a guy that boxes out to grab rebounds. He is not mobile as we think he is because he is huge and the guy without the ball will always be quicker, hence he gets called for charges. Unless a shot is created for him or on the fast break he can't score.
Its been three years. He's further validated his inconsistency and lack of mental capacity or toughness. However, he is far superior player than puke walton and many players but he is not a guy that works for a championship team. There is a reason why he isn't an allstar despite all the potential talk. Simple, everyone seems to value that he can do many things the game of basketball demand.
HOWEVER, he is MEDIOCRE at all of those skills!!!!! He truly has nothing to fall back on when all else fails. He can't shoot great, he can't pass great, he can't rebound great, he can't defend great, how is he suppose to get an allstar selection with being mediocre at everything? Only thing you can say he relates to any other great players is how much he's getting payed.
For a championship team he needs to be a roll player but what roll can he play?
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I think we have a good core group right now.
What we need is to sign kwame and try to send the fat contracts of luke and vlad. And get much help with or LLe and MLe.
Yes we do have the upperhand in any trade scenario that includes Odom.
why would we settle for less when Odom can flourish with bynum and gasol in the line -up.
Why would we disrupt the flow of offense by getting guys that are trigger happy.
Actually Pau's game and Odom's game compliment with Braynt's game.they dont need the ball to score that often they feed from passes.although sometimes it has its set backs as they become complacent and don't play agressive enough.But with the Bynum at the center we might just see domination.
What i would like as to do is to up our bench.with the departure of Turiaf and possibly by Sasha we don't have much aside of Ariza of course.
Luke and Vlad are really disappoinment with those fat contracts.if only we signed them for less.Coz they are paid beyond their capabilities |
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borri
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| Can someone please explain why they want Odom to go so badly? |
I don't think people really want to get of him so badly - it's just that... he has a huge expiring contract. It's very, very valuable. |
Count me as one those guys who want him gone BADLY.
The point of having the twin towers down low is to score easy buckets inside. LO can't shoot. Teams will just pack the middle.........negating our post presence.
Again, what's the point of having a great inside game when teams can just lay off one of your players and have an extra defender in the middle?
This is a copy cat league. Teams will look at tape of what the Celts did to LO. Dare him to shoot the J. Laying off LO helps on 2 fronts.....better rotation on double teams on Kobe.....WE DON'T WANT THAT........better rotation to defend the post and have an extra rebounder.
People have got to realize how much a liability LO will be in our offense AND defense. As a SF LO must guard faster players.....which is never good.
Heck we might be better off putting Kobe at the 3 and Sasha at the 2......................
I just don't see how LO's piss poor offensive game fits into the mix next year. I really don't.
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karacha
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Heck we might be better off putting Kobe at the 3 and Sasha at the 2......................
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We would be better, but there would be no backup for Kobe then.
In any case, we have to re-sign Sasha. Then see if someone is interested in this HUGE expiring contract ($14M), so we can fill some holes. A SF, and perhaps get a PG etc. THat's my main reason for saying "trade Odom." Not because he sucks, but because he's not a perfect fit for this team with Pau and Bynum (if people think Lamar will develop a shot in the offseason, I say: HAHAHA), and we could maybe get two players for him.
Otherwise he is NOT going to stay once Bynum asks to get paid.
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Actually I would rather have Odom with Bynum than Gasol with Bynum...
I like Odom as third-fourth option. Clearly he cant play as the second go to guy, but that doesn't mean trading for a player like Artest or Hinrich and an ugly contract will improve our team. Yes he is valuable, and an excellent trade bait. But with the offers I'm seeing and with what we have now, I rather stick with him. If Artest opted out of his contract and signed with the Lakers, we would have all easily ranted to ship off Lamar. But we don't have that direct option for automatic success for next year and for following seasons. We know all our players are great with Bynum, so it is crucial Bynum is healthy. And if he won't, I guess it is time to take the risk because we all know it didn't work out too well w/o him in the finals.
Just stick with Odom, maybe later on we can get another Gasol-like trade.  |
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