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Lakers Dynasty 2000 Clublakers Analyst

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 25694 Location: Pasadena, Southern California
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: Why doesn't Kobe take a Couple Lie Detector Tests? |
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Maybe he should take three.
1) Eagle, CO
2) (Where trial is held) Colorado
3) Los Angeles, CA
I know they arn't positivly accurate but come on... If he takes three at three different places don't you think that could help? I was just thinking of this... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| On Larry King Live last night they asked this same question and they said they prolly will but, it won't be a big deal in court |
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jsjaedon
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| if anyone here has taken a course in psychology and talked about lie detectors or know anything about them, they are not exactly what you think they are. Only person who knows if someone is lying is the person doing the lying. Lie detectors are not 100% correct and aren't anywhere close. If you're innocent, even taking a lie detector test can probably, and with a decent probability, make you out as lying. I don't think Kobe should take that chance, even if it's at 3 different places like you said. Then again, hollywood and shows like "meet my parents" or whatever it's called on NBC have sent the message that lie detectors do exactly what their name says....detect lies. But nonetheless, Kobe most likely will take one, cause you know what people will think if he refuses. The masses don't know. |
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Lakers Dynasty 2000 Clublakers Analyst

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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the information jsjaedon, I did not know that much about Lie Detectors, thanks for the insight. |
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Lie dectector test are usually polygraph tests.. They test the blood pressure, and the adrenilene of the one takin it. They test the heart rate when asked a certain question. Usually when someone is lyin, their heart jumps, and their adrenilene too. People can manipulate them too... |
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4Rings

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 1428 Location: Long Bizzle
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Plus, lie detector tests are inadmissable in a court of law. If Kobe honestly believes he didn't rape this girl, then he would pass the test. Now, the girl with her past emotional problems might have a harder time passing a test. _________________ If we are all thinking alike, then nobody is thinking! |
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2003 1:21 am Post subject: |
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It wouldnt even matter if she did or not....  |
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Lie detector results are not admissable in court |
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Reddy

Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Posts: 2643 Location: HOME OF THE RINGS, CITY, LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA!
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| lakergyrl41 wrote: |
| Lie detector results are not admissable in court |
dam
well at least us fans could see that kobe is plain innocent...... _________________ INNOCENT
BE IN THE DREAM TEAM KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Even if Kobe passed it, it still wouldnt mean he's innocent. Someone can truly believe their innocent, and be a complete psychological liar about it, and they too can pass the test. |
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Reddy

Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Posts: 2643 Location: HOME OF THE RINGS, CITY, LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA!
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersGyrl2003 wrote: |
| Even if Kobe passed it, it still wouldnt mean he's innocent. Someone can truly believe their innocent, and be a complete psychological liar about it, and they too can pass the test. |
 _________________ INNOCENT
BE IN THE DREAM TEAM KOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Reddy I know... It's the truth though, u gotta look at a lie detector test in 2 perspectives...  |
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Reddy

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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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I neva knew they would be so complicated!  _________________ INNOCENT
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Reddy.....Everythings complicated when u really examine the scenario!!  |
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LakersGyrl2003 wrote: |
Reddy.....Everythings complicated when u really examine the scenario!!  |
Actually, I have a degree in psychology and lie detector tests are fairly accurate. It does depend on how you measure accuracy. Sometimes, the machines are unable to render a response. So, if you administer 10 questions and 7 out of 10 are correct, 2 were immeasurable, and one was a false positive, opponents of lie detectors would calculate that as 70%. This is an incorrect estimation because 2 parts of the data was inconclusive (either the machine failed, or there was some sort of error). So, the accuracy would really be 7/8 = 87.5% which is fairly accurate.
Plus, the accuracy of a lie detector test can be affected by its administrator. If some Joe Shmoe is running the test, the results would differ from a professional running the test. Also, a trained professional can fool the lie detector (by controlling their own physiology, which isn't easy). Most people cannot fool a lie detector test (and by the way, your heart doesn't "jump" when you lie, but you do secrete small amount of sweat, and your heart rate goes up slightly).
For more on lie detectors, I recommend this site:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question123.htm
Read through to learn more ... you'll see that they are actually quite accurate.
Finally, lie detectors are not admissible in court not because they are inaccurate, but because they aren't accurate enough. How can you use something that is about 87.5% accurate beyond a reasonable doubt?!
Ask people who know, and you'll get the right answers. |
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LakersGyrl2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I understand what ur sayin... So professionals can fool the tests when examining people then... That's crazy, but it's their profession, and their trained to do so. And the ones takin it can also fool it too, that's what I'm sayin. Psycological liars can do so. They prove to themselevs that they are tellin the truth, so they believe it's al right in their own mind, u know? |
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2003 5:06 pm Post subject: huh?! |
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| LakersGyrl2003 wrote: |
| I understand what ur sayin... So professionals can fool the tests when examining people then... That's crazy, but it's their profession, and their trained to do so. And the ones takin it can also fool it too, that's what I'm sayin. Psycological liars can do so. They prove to themselevs that they are tellin the truth, so they believe it's al right in their own mind, u know? |
I'm totally confused. I just got done saying that it's very difficult to fool a lie detector test. That only trained professionals who know how they work can do it. Basically, you have to have severe physiological control (not PSYCHOLOGICAL), physiological control of your body because the machine measures physiological (not PSYCHOLOGICAL) responses. Most people CANNOT control their heart rate, sweat glands, etc enough to sway a lie detector.
Secondly, what in the name of all that is holy, is a psychological liar? There's no such things as a psychological liar. If a person who is hooked up to a machine, tells what they honestly believe is the truth, it will register as a true statement. It can only detect if you are lying, and not if what you believe is fact.
Let me clarify *sigh*. If you see a drawing, and you thought it was red, and I gave you a lie detector and you said it was red it would come up as truth. Now, even if what you saw was actually black, the truth in your mind was that it was red. Truth is your own perception of reality. Whether that falls in line with other people's reality... that is not the job of a lie detector. *sigh* Why do I have to explain this so many times? lol |
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