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why would we want another headcase on the team?
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why not?? if he can be had for cheap...i think he's worth the risk
what if he pans out?? he obviously has potential, and if we can have him for fairly little money it may be real good if he pans out and everyone will be happy that we took a risk on him, just look at minessota and griffin, they gotta behappy for his play and what he's brought to the team
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ok cause i knew he was suspended, and when you said he got released it was a bit of a shock... Go get em mitch...
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its one thing to have a headcase when you have a superstar to keep em in line... but another to add a headcase to your superstar who is one himself already
"potential" is over played these days... remember when we thought Samaki Walker had it?
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| echo nation wrote: |
its one thing to have a headcase when you have a superstar to keep em in line... but another to add a headcase to your superstar who is one himself already
"potential" is over played these days... remember when we thought Samaki Walker had it? |
i dont think Kwame is a head case. I really think the guy was just emasculated by Jordan. A change in scenery and i bet the guy can become a solid nba player.
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he was a headcase before Eddie became coach
how are you supposed to take seriously a guy who skips practice during the playoffs... esp when he's already had a reputation of not being a hard worker...
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he was a headcase before Eddie became coach
how are you supposed to take seriously a guy who skips practice during the playoffs... esp when he's already had a reputation of not being a hard worker... |
i was refering to the "Jordan" not eddie...
Imagine you are some phenom in High School being talked about as the next big thing. Next thing you know the guy whose shoes you wear and whose game you study and whose poster hangs on your wall, is solidifying this next big thing by hand picking you as numero uno. Then over the next couple of years he more or less castrates you mentally. How would you respond. Remember that Kwame was still very much a kid when he was drafted. In my mind a change in scenery, a little support and he will blossom. Its not like he is failing drug tests, or getting in fights. He is merely being rebelious, just like most of the world if they were treated the same way...
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| Kingsama wrote: |
| echo nation wrote: |
its one thing to have a headcase when you have a superstar to keep em in line... but another to add a headcase to your superstar who is one himself already
"potential" is over played these days... remember when we thought Samaki Walker had it? |
i dont think Kwame is a head case. I really think the guy was just emasculated by Jordan. A change in scenery and i bet the guy can become a solid nba player. |
Jordan called him a "flamin' [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.]". |
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Brown has potential i agree
but so did Isiah Rider
if we can get Kwame for super cheap, i say go for it... but he's not worth a big risk
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The guy needs regular mins and superstars around him to lead him...
He's not a leader...
He's not a #1 option...
He's not a go-to guy...
He's a talented big-man who has yet to find a role that he's comfortable with...put him on a team with LO, Kobe and Mihm and I guarantee he will blossom...
His role would be well defined:
grab boards
play interior D
quick-hitting post-up moves
putbacks
set screens
No confusion...no pressure...just do the little things and let LO and Kobe carry the load...
I'd take a 6'11 250 athletic BIG any day...headcase or no...(for the MLE or sign and trade ~6 mil, of course)
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The guy needs regular mins and superstars around him to lead him...
He's not a leader...
He's not a #1 option...
He's not a go-to guy...
He's a talented big-man who has yet to find a role that he's comfortable with...put him on a team with LO, Kobe and Mihm and I guarantee he will blossom...
His role would be well defined:
grab boards
play interior D
quick-hitting post-up moves
putbacks
set screens
No confusion...no pressure...just do the little things and let LO and Kobe carry the load...
I'd take a 6'11 250 athletic BIG any day...headcase or no...(for the MLE or sign and trade ~6 mil, of course) |
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| i think its a good idear,brow is very young,maybe stronger many years later |
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| The problem is I don't think brown gets it. People say MJ ruined him I don't think that is true ..jermaine oneal in one person that people say look at what happened to him as far as his growth but name someone eles that came from high school and took this much time to get it? I think that after 4 years you are a bust ... look he misses a play-off game because he was sick the day before play offs? he would be good for the lle so if he does not pan out we don't loose much, but 5 million hell no |
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ID TAKE HIM IF, DUHON, EDDIE GRIFFIN OR EARL WATSON ARE NOT AVAIBLE
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| GameCockMD wrote: |
The guy needs regular mins and superstars around him to lead him...
He's not a leader...
He's not a #1 option...
He's not a go-to guy...
He's a talented big-man who has yet to find a role that he's comfortable with...put him on a team with LO, Kobe and Mihm and I guarantee he will blossom...
His role would be well defined:
grab boards
play interior D
quick-hitting post-up moves
putbacks
set screens
No confusion...no pressure...just do the little things and let LO and Kobe carry the load...
I'd take a 6'11 250 athletic BIG any day...headcase or no...(for the MLE or sign and trade ~6 mil, of course) |
Agree. But it's unlikely they'll let him sign and walk away for nothing in return. It's probably going to have to be sign and trade - and then it would depend on what they want from us. They're not going to take our garbage - they'd just let him walk before that. |
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Kwame needs a new scene. Period. He's a 7 footer. Period. You can't pass that up. Earl Watsons and Duhons come a dime-a-dozen, an athletic 7 footer doesn't. Take the chance. Period.
Vlade and #10 pick for a re-signed Kwame Brown
Then trade B Grant and Slava and one of the picks to Chi for Tyson and Pargo
Sign Antonio Daniels for the MLE:
Kwame/Tyson/Odom/Kobe/Daniels = SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET! |
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| Kwame does need a new scene(he was getting boooed during washington's home games). First season MJ was away from Washington he showed signs of improvement 20 points and 15+ rebounds. If Phil takes the job i'm pretty sure he will be able to control Kwame. |
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| Everyone says that Kwame's confidence was hurt because MJ was too tough on him. Kobe is tough with his guys too so Kwame is probably not a good fit in LA. He should go somewhere where he can be treated like peaches, like Phoenix. Stevie will never yell at him. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone says that Kwame's confidence was hurt because MJ was too tough on him. Kobe is tough with his guys too so Kwame is probably not a good fit in LA. He should go somewhere where he can be treated like peaches, like Phoenix. Stevie will never yell at him. |
^^ Yea but im sure Kobe has never called any of his young players a "Flaming F@ggit" either(MJ) 
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone says that Kwame's confidence was hurt because MJ was too tough on him. Kobe is tough with his guys too so Kwame is probably not a good fit in LA. He should go somewhere where he can be treated like peaches, like Phoenix. Stevie will never yell at him. |
^^ Yea but im sure Kobe has never called any of his young players a "Flaming F@ggit" either(MJ) |
agreed there is a substantial difference between being hard on someone, and being a complete richard, if you catch my drift. Both my high school and college coach were tough, heck my college coach is one of the most demanding men i have ever met when it comes to his players. But neither of them rendered personal attacks against me, neither one of them patronized me, neither one of them was rudely critical. I recieved more butt chewings then i can count and have been singled out, gripped at, screamed at, threatened to get thrown out of the gym etc. but none of it was a personal attack. Now i dont know if kobe is like that or not, but i know Jordan wasnt...
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| Everyone says that Kwame's confidence was hurt because MJ was too tough on him. Kobe is tough with his guys too so Kwame is probably not a good fit in LA. He should go somewhere where he can be treated like peaches, like Phoenix. Stevie will never yell at him. |
^^ Yea but im sure Kobe has never called any of his young players a "Flaming F@ggit" either(MJ) |
agreed there is a substantial difference between being hard on someone, and being a complete richard, if you catch my drift. Both my high school and college coach were tough, heck my college coach is one of the most demanding men i have ever met when it comes to his players. But neither of them rendered personal attacks against me, neither one of them patronized me, neither one of them was rudely critical. I recieved more butt chewings then i can count and have been singled out, gripped at, screamed at, threatened to get thrown out of the gym etc. but none of it was a personal attack. Now i dont know if kobe is like that or not, but i know Jordan wasnt... |
Are you kidding me? MJ Smacked Steve Kerr!!! he made Kwame cry in practice....a 7 ft teenager, MJ made em cry like a baby, it was in the newspapers here in DC.
MJ is notorious for blowing up on his teammates/players, and at times getting physical with them.....dunno if you knew that or not.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| DMK wrote: |
| Kingsama wrote: |
| DMK wrote: |
| 1 x Butler x 1 wrote: |
| Everyone says that Kwame's confidence was hurt because MJ was too tough on him. Kobe is tough with his guys too so Kwame is probably not a good fit in LA. He should go somewhere where he can be treated like peaches, like Phoenix. Stevie will never yell at him. |
^^ Yea but im sure Kobe has never called any of his young players a "Flaming F@ggit" either(MJ) |
agreed there is a substantial difference between being hard on someone, and being a complete richard, if you catch my drift. Both my high school and college coach were tough, heck my college coach is one of the most demanding men i have ever met when it comes to his players. But neither of them rendered personal attacks against me, neither one of them patronized me, neither one of them was rudely critical. I recieved more butt chewings then i can count and have been singled out, gripped at, screamed at, threatened to get thrown out of the gym etc. but none of it was a personal attack. Now i dont know if kobe is like that or not, but i know Jordan wasnt... |
Are you kidding me? MJ Smacked Steve Kerr!!! he made Kwame cry in practice....a 7 ft teenager, MJ made em cry like a baby, it was in the newspapers here in DC.
MJ is notorious for blowing up on his teammates/players, and at times getting physical with them.....dunno if you knew that or not. |
the point that i was making was that I know that jordan was not like either my hs or college coach in that he was a real richard, and that i dont know if kobe is that same way, i thought that was pretty clear, but maybe i was wrong...
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lol oh... my bad brotha.
I do understand why MJ was the way he was.....the drive to win, the pressure to succeed.... Kobe is easily the closest to that hungry other then maybe KG.
Heart goes along way
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I say we offer him the LLE for one year see how it turns out...we can't offer Brown the MLE, after we trade Atkins well need it for a PG (hopefully Earl Watson) who can run this team while our tenth pick PG develops.
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I guess I was on point with this thread.
This thread is now the unbiased view of what we felt about Kwame coming to the Lakers before it actually ended up happening.
What's interesting is that we actually ended up giving up way more than anyone here wanted. Butler and Chucky is a lot for Kwame.
Oh well, at least we will be a more well rounded team next year.
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If he would sign for the Minimum, I'd take him, because is he starts to be a jacka-s, then you can just cut him right there. I like himn, but think Kobe and he would have issues. I just get this vibe.
Who cares about Brown...
By the way you all can remove your Felton Avatars now, since we're packaging that pick in luring Garnett to us 
The more posts of his I see, the more I like him. 
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| I would take haywood and brown in a deal for luke devan and slava |
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INTERESTING -- just dug this old thread out. Candid opinions from members about Kwame's value prior to trade rumors. We gave up a heck of a lot more than what everybody expected. Caron was certainly a candidate for the #2 scoring option that everyone now believes must be addressed. Kwame's okay -- but we gave up an awful lot for him -- including a score-first guard with good 3-point range in Atkins who could have supplied us with points off the bench.
I think these kinds of opinions found in this thread that are posted as pure speculation, when there aren't frenzied rumors flying around, are the most relaxed, sane observations.
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