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L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
15.5 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.7 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Vlade Divac
7-1 C from Serbia
2.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 8.7 minutes
Incoming
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -13.6 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and -4.8 apg.
Utah Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Carlos Boozer
6-9 PF from Duke
17.8 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 2.8 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
21.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 7.0 apg in 38.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +3.5 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and +4.2 apg.
Orlando Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
21.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 7.0 apg in 38.2 minutes
Incoming
Caron Butler
6-7 SF from Connecticut
15.5 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 35.7 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Vlade Divac
7-1 C from Serbia
2.3 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 8.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +10.1 ppg, +4.5 rpg, and +0.6 apg.
Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers, Utah, and Orlando being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers, Utah, and Orlando had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. |
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| i rather have francis instead of boozer |
big>small.
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No to Steve Francis, he's a total headcase and a cancer, he'll never get along with Kobe or with Phil or with Laker Management or with the city of L.A. for that matter.
He can shoot, yes, he can score, yes, but you all remember how selfish he was when he got drafted and would never play for the Grizz.. how selfish he was in the playoffs last year... how selfish he was when he demanded a trade.. how selfish he was when he threatened not to play in Orlando.
It's possible that we might trade for him, but I dunno, I'd be pretty pissed. but I'd still support whatever decision management makes.
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Have you absolutely no common sense?
We are not adding Francis and KG
Please, for the love of God, stop! |
 Is something wrong with 3 max contracts  Buss won´t allow a yankee payroll. |
Yeah but IF....IF....IF....IF....the Lakers DID....DID....DID....DID....get Francis and KG how do you know that they wouldn't have to take a LITTLE MONEY DEDUCTION....like about 2 or 2.5 million to make space and everything....now remember this is all IF but still I think Mitch and Buss could really work it out if they wanted to and stuff so it's just a matter or sitting, waiting, and seeing so...but I say never take any idea as a crazy one because the Shaq trade was probably the craziest trade ever played anyways so... |
I KNOW YOU DONT EVEN CAN NOT EVEN TO BEGIN TO FATHOM THE STRUCTURE OF THE CBA, BUT ILL HELP YOU, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE 3 MAX PLAYERS, MATHEMATICALLY MAYBE, BUT WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN TRADE BAIT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.....STOP THE IF IF IF CRAP, BE REALISTIC PLEASE THIS IS NOT FANTASY LAND
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Have you absolutely no common sense?
We are not adding Francis and KG
Please, for the love of God, stop! |
Is something wrong with 3 max contracts Buss won´t allow a yankee payroll. |
Yeah but IF....IF....IF....IF....the Lakers DID....DID....DID....DID....get Francis and KG how do you know that they wouldn't have to take a LITTLE MONEY DEDUCTION....like about 2 or 2.5 million to make space and everything....now remember this is all IF but still I think Mitch and Buss could really work it out if they wanted to and stuff so it's just a matter or sitting, waiting, and seeing so...but I say never take any idea as a crazy one because the Shaq trade was probably the craziest trade ever played anyways so... |
I KNOW YOU DONT EVEN CAN NOT EVEN TO BEGIN TO FATHOM THE STRUCTURE OF THE CBA, BUT ILL HELP YOU, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE 3 MAX PLAYERS, MATHEMATICALLY MAYBE, BUT WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN TRADE BAIT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.....STOP THE IF IF IF CRAP, BE REALISTIC PLEASE THIS IS NOT FANTASY LAND |
Ok I undestand that it is a complete cream and stuff but I saw right now...anything can happen in this world now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I see what you are seeing...
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I don't think this rumors have any ground. Why the lakers will add another player in Steve Francis who likes to have the ball all the time , while we already have Kobe? . In addition I think the lakers has to fill the gap in the 1 and 4 positions .Antonio Daniels is a very good addition.
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Honestly, if you are going to trade for Stevie, you might as well let CARON play Point...
Stevie is a 2 guard in a PG's body...if that's what Phil want, so be it...
Not a bad offensive addition...ok defender...bad attitude...
As long as this isn't the only addition, we will be ok...Stevie could co-exist with Kobe...a PROVEN winner...plus I don't think LAL will win without a little DRAMA!!!!!!!
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Laker Link -
Have you absolutely no common sense?
We are not adding Francis and KG
Please, for the love of God, stop! |
Is something wrong with 3 max contracts Buss won´t allow a yankee payroll. |
Yeah but IF....IF....IF....IF....the Lakers DID....DID....DID....DID....get Francis and KG how do you know that they wouldn't have to take a LITTLE MONEY DEDUCTION....like about 2 or 2.5 million to make space and everything....now remember this is all IF but still I think Mitch and Buss could really work it out if they wanted to and stuff so it's just a matter or sitting, waiting, and seeing so...but I say never take any idea as a crazy one because the Shaq trade was probably the craziest trade ever played anyways so... |
I KNOW YOU DONT EVEN CAN NOT EVEN TO BEGIN TO FATHOM THE STRUCTURE OF THE CBA, BUT ILL HELP YOU, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE 3 MAX PLAYERS, MATHEMATICALLY MAYBE, BUT WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN TRADE BAIT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.....STOP THE IF IF IF CRAP, BE REALISTIC PLEASE THIS IS NOT FANTASY LAND |
Ok I undestand that it is a complete cream and stuff but I saw right now...anything can happen in this world now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I see what you are seeing... |
OMG PLEASE STFU FOREVER!!!! |
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big>small. |
eNlight is is clearly insane. Francis needs the ball all the time. He's very good, but not for the Lakers. Boozer seems like he would be a fantastic fit, doesn't shoot a ton, can rebound, and can play D. If I had my choice, I'd pick up Boozer in a heartbeat. |
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If Rudy was still our coach, I would think this could be a rumor with some legs. But I don't think this is much of a rumor, maybe a discussion, as a last case scenario for the Lakers, if everything else breaks down, and we can't get Boozer or any other big man, we resort to doing this trade.
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Honestly, if you are going to trade for Stevie, you might as well let CARON play Point...
Stevie is a 2 guard in a PG's body...if that's what Phil want, so be it...
Not a bad offensive addition...ok defender...bad attitude...
As long as this isn't the only addition, we will be ok...Stevie could co-exist with Kobe...a PROVEN winner...plus I don't think LAL will win without a little DRAMA!!!!!!! |
I hope you're exaggerating when you say Stevie at PG is like Caron at PG...they both can score, but that's where the similarities end. Caron is nowhere near Stevie's league in speed, handling and passing. Not to mention Stevie can break down a defense with the greatest of ease with his penetration.
I think Franchise can play with Kobe...he's already proven to be able to share the ball with another ballhog SG in Mobley. Also, we can use our pick to draft a good PF who would be similar to Boozer (more or less), but at a much cheaper price. So in the end we fill both our holes in the lineup, add an all star caliber player, and fix our SF logjam. |
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| can it be possible for boozer and francis to be on the same team? cause if boozer were on the lakers, yeah the lakers have a big lineup, but with odom at the 3, he's gonna get beat by the faster guys. if kobe didn't share the ball with odom a lot, how is boozer going to get the ball. francis would just steal the ball from kobe all the time, and shoot himself. im not saying boozer is bad, but with francis on the team, it would be fast and fun. |
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we have to make a pretty tough decision. trade chucky, caron, vlade for either francis or boozer. then we could take care of either the pg or pf position by the MLE or the draft. either way i would be happy.
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| can it be possible for boozer and francis to be on the same team? cause if boozer were on the lakers, yeah the lakers have a big lineup, but with odom at the 3, he's gonna get beat by the faster guys. if kobe didn't share the ball with odom a lot, how is boozer going to get the ball. francis would just steal the ball from kobe all the time, and shoot himself. im not saying boozer is bad, but with francis on the team, it would be fast and fun. |
Odom won´t get beaten by any SF, believe me. He will kill them with his wingspan. Lamar consistently played against PGs in greece because of Marburys atrocious defense and he killed them all with his endless wingspan. NOT 1 PG could beat him off the dribble once he opened his arms. All SFs are between 6-8 and 6-10 so I don´t see any troubles.
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| can it be possible for boozer and francis to be on the same team? cause if boozer were on the lakers, yeah the lakers have a big lineup, but with odom at the 3, he's gonna get beat by the faster guys. if kobe didn't share the ball with odom a lot, how is boozer going to get the ball. francis would just steal the ball from kobe all the time, and shoot himself. im not saying boozer is bad, but with francis on the team, it would be fast and fun. |
Odom won´t get beaten by any SF, believe me. He will kill them with his wingspan. Lamar consistently played against PGs in greece because of Marburys atrocious defense and he killed them all with his endless wingspan. NOT 1 PG could beat him off the dribble once he opened his arms. All SFs are between 6-8 and 6-10 so I don´t see any troubles. |
I think you're a bit off. Not that it matters, because I agree that Odom can cover any SF in the league. |
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Laker Link -
Have you absolutely no common sense?
We are not adding Francis and KG
Please, for the love of God, stop! |
Is something wrong with 3 max contracts Buss won´t allow a yankee payroll. |
Yeah but IF....IF....IF....IF....the Lakers DID....DID....DID....DID....get Francis and KG how do you know that they wouldn't have to take a LITTLE MONEY DEDUCTION....like about 2 or 2.5 million to make space and everything....now remember this is all IF but still I think Mitch and Buss could really work it out if they wanted to and stuff so it's just a matter or sitting, waiting, and seeing so...but I say never take any idea as a crazy one because the Shaq trade was probably the craziest trade ever played anyways so... |
I KNOW YOU DONT EVEN CAN NOT EVEN TO BEGIN TO FATHOM THE STRUCTURE OF THE CBA, BUT ILL HELP YOU, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO HAVE 3 MAX PLAYERS, MATHEMATICALLY MAYBE, BUT WE DONT HAVE ENOUGH IN TRADE BAIT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.....STOP THE IF IF IF CRAP, BE REALISTIC PLEASE THIS IS NOT FANTASY LAND |
Ok I undestand that it is a complete cream and stuff but I saw right now...anything can happen in this world now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I see what you are seeing... |
OMG PLEASE STFU FOREVER!!!! |
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| oh okay, cause one time i saw lebron just beat odom, so i was like, oh hes not that good. thanks for clearing things up :] |
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| oh okay, cause one time i saw lebron just beat odom, so i was like, oh hes not that good. thanks for clearing things up :] |
LeBron is a special player I guess he can beat anyone. Well I might have overhyped him but Odom is really a decent SF defender and he was THE ONLY LAKER having his hands into players face every time. He doen´t have the power to stay foul free against PFs but he can use his wingspan to defend smaller guys. I guess the personal defense depends on team defense. I wonder why Miami could play D with Odom, Butler and Grant in the starting lineup and now add Kobe and we got killed. Sucky must have done a great job
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YES
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The above trade might work under the CBA, but Steve Francis in Utah with Jerry Sloan coaching? Maybe, I guess. It would be interesting.
I would make this trade. It would hurt, but it would balnce the roster somewhat. we could have Vlade back easily. |
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I've been wondering about the "other" trade that involves George. I looked over depth charts and the team that would look most likely to want him and give the Lakers a PG that they need is the Clippers. not many trades between these teams, but look at the depth charts.
LA Clippers
PG1-M Jaric
PG2-S Livingston
PG3-R Brunson
PG4-L Chalmers
SG1-C Maggette
SG2-K Kittles
SG3-Q Ross
SF1-B Simmons
PF1-E Brand
PF2-C Wilcox
C1-C Kaman
C2-M Moore
C3-Z Rebraca
C4-M N'diaye
LA Lakers(after the trades)
A much more balanced roster. And, room for FA's and Draft picks.
PG1-C Marko Jaric
PG2-S Vujacic
SG1-K Bryant
SG2L-L. Walton
SF1-L Odom
SF2-J Jones
PF-1 Carlos Boozer
PF2-B Grant
PF3-B Cook
PF4-S Medvedenko
C1-C Mihm
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What's so good about Jaric anyway?
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big>small. |
eNlight is is clearly insane. Francis needs the ball all the time. He's very good, but not for the Lakers. Boozer seems like he would be a fantastic fit, doesn't shoot a ton, can rebound, and can play D. If I had my choice, I'd pick up Boozer in a heartbeat. |
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lal need future,this is a group of 5 in 05--06 season,in reality lakers have little room,06--07&07--08,clear room and maybe A. Stoudemire or yao ,this is the road of king.
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| KB8 till infinity wrote: |
| eNlight wrote: |
| i rather have francis instead of boozer |
big>small. |
eNlight is is clearly insane. Francis needs the ball all the time. He's very good, but not for the Lakers. Boozer seems like he would be a fantastic fit, doesn't shoot a ton, can rebound, and can play D. If I had my choice, I'd pick up Boozer in a heartbeat. |
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l.odom
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Juan Dixon Washington Unrestricted F.A.
lal need future,this is a group of 5 in 05--06 season,in reality lakers have little room,06--07&07--08,clear room and maybe A. Stoudemire or yao ,this is the road of king.
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| showtimecontinue wrote: |
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| k0pr0phage wrote: |
| KB8 till infinity wrote: |
| eNlight wrote: |
| i rather have francis instead of boozer |
big>small. |
eNlight is is clearly insane. Francis needs the ball all the time. He's very good, but not for the Lakers. Boozer seems like he would be a fantastic fit, doesn't shoot a ton, can rebound, and can play D. If I had my choice, I'd pick up Boozer in a heartbeat. |
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Reggie Evans Seattle Restricted F.A.
Antonio Daniels
l.odom
kb8.
Juan Dixon Washington Unrestricted F.A.
lal need future,this is a group of 5 in 05--06 season,in reality lakers have little room,06--07&07--08,clear room and maybe A. Stoudemire or yao ,this is the road of king.
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God, I hate when people do this, but this is the ideal time...
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God, I hate when people do this, but this is the ideal time...
[/quote]i think this is king of road |
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Assuming we gonna keep Odom, both Kobe and frances will demanding the ball all the time , then Odom will never ne happy to be the third option.I remember in these games when Kobe is all over the board , Odom was stand still , not moving to get the ball.
what you guys think?
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I remember in these games when Kobe is all over the board , Odom was stand still , not moving to get the ball.
what you guys think? |
i think this is true，but when phill go back，all of them became better activity |
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| Francis aint comin to LA plus why would we want him sure hes a good offensive production but defense wins games and I suggest we wait and go after some good defensive point guards who can also provide to the offensive the best one being chauncey billups or jason kidd. I dont see jason kidd coming but jason terry is also pretty good. |
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