Trading up with NO for #4

flexxdzl · Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 5341

I came across a rumor from the insider info on espn insider info

espn insider or article i just read is that the lakers are in love with paul,green, william and want to move up bad. The talk is a trade with the hornets that would send butler, 10th for there 4th and hope to get either one who falls to them.

live and die in LA · Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 4058

hmm.. we may be giving up too much but i actually wouldnt mind it.
possible lineups:
1.
paul
kobe
odom
grant/MLE
mihm

2.
MLE
kobe
green
odom
mihm

3.
MLE
kobe
williams
odom
mihm
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Okki · Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 607

we shouldnt give up caron AND the 10th
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flexxdzl · Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 5341

I don't know I kind of feel funny about trading a producing player and a potential pickfor a potential pick???

I would take magloire and a 4th for caron and the 10th... but we need players

live and die in LA · Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Posts: 4058

if we did this i would much rather take williams or paul. i dont want green, we need someone who can instantly help us. id even take felton or deron williams
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Coville · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 6838

i would give them mihm, butler, and the tenth for magloire, and the 4th in a hearbeat

we get a upgrade at center, we get 4th overall which can get us chris paul or felton or whoever drops to 4. probably bogut, marvin williams, or green.

If we do this trade, we should really to go after Chris Paul. worst cast Tony Parker???? I'll take him anyday of the week.

We could have a line up of:

Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Jumaine Jones
Lamar Odom
Jamal Magloire

We just need to sign a bench and get a power foward. This could be acheived by PICKING good 2nd round picks OR using Brain Grant's contract in 07 to trade for somebody big.

But I think we could probably get away having a Odom/Magloire front court cuz Magloire is farely good and I think Odom could hold his own he just needs a good center next to him.

But I like the sound of this.

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SWOL · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject:

GIVING UP BUTLER IS A LITTLE TOO PRICY FOR MY LIKING
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Laker brain · Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 1304 Location: Las Vegas

If we could get Deron Williams, that would be sick, although butler is up and coming, It would be a gamble.
For those saying we need a defensive point guard, I say pick him up with a second rounder. (miles, greene, basden)

Deron is the ultimate team player, and imo won't clash (ego-wise) with Kobe.
I know most people don't want Deron because of his chubby appearance, but he is trimming down at 6'3 200lbs, if he can work on his speed, I see the closest PG to J. Kidd.
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kobe4ever · Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 1551 Location: Los Angeles

we should give up da 10,37,39, next year miami first for 4. not caron/
we need him for boozer trade
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MarkMadsen · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 7460 Location: Minnesota

depends whos included with the 4th pick in the deal. Atleast has to include one of the following(in order of prefrence): Magliore, Pj Brown or Anderson.

Divac(buyout) + Butler + 10th
for
4th + plus one above.
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Hye4Life · Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 100

The report I read had the lakers wanting someone in the top 4. On the realgm portland trailblazers board they had a statement from John Nash stating that there is a good possibility of trading the pick. Portland is looking for a shooting guard and Caron can play that. So how about something like this on draft night......

Butler, Grant, #10 pick for Ratliff, Patterson, and #3 pick.

We greatly improve our team with that trade. Possible line-ups

Paul/Sasha
Kobe
Patterson/Jones
Odom/Bender(if the deal goes down)/Blatche
Ratliff/Mihm

You still have MLE to use.
Or

MLE/Sasha
Kobe
Patterson/Williams/Jones
Odom/Bender/Blatche
Ratliff/Mihm

Or

MLE/Sasha
Kobe
Green/Patterson/Jones
Odom/Bender/Blatche
Ratliff/Mihm

That would be beneficial to both teams. Portland would get rid of Ratliff's contract for a shorter contract in Grant's. Lakers would get a starting center and a good defensive small forward who the Blazers don't want. I think that Butler's potential is soo great and even if he stays the same it would be good, that is why the Portland would be doing this. They wouldn't have to wait for Green or Williams to develop. The scary thing about that conversation that John Nash had was that he said that he was trying to trade Van Exel and the pick( I hope the Lakers wouldn't get him because he is going to retire after next season anyway).

MarkMadsen · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 7460 Location: Minnesota

If they need a 2 guard, Portland could just draft Green. Has way more upside than Butler.

Green + Ratliff + Patterson looks better than Butler + Grant + whoever
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Hye4Life · Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 100

You're forgetting that Grants contract is shorter than Ratliff's. They don't even need Ratliff anymore since they think their future is Pryzbilla. Also, Patterson has wanted out since the end of the season. Grant is also from the old Blazer team. Caron can play the shooting guard way better than Green can right now. Also Caron still has potential to be something good in this league if he isn't already. So they get financial flexibility with Grant, a young star in Caron, and still get a lottery pick who can help them.

This is the Link from when John Nash spoke on the Jim Rome show I believe
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=377666

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Alleyhoops · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: BSPN-ING

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KB24@CL · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:

Its BSPN :man7: And its thrash. CÂ´mon NOT ONE GM would do that. I wouldnÂ´t give up only Caron RIGHT NOW for the 4th pick. I would trade Caron for Marvin but NOT for Paul or Williams. That idea is horrendous.
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can u guys tell me what BSPN is and please give me a link to that.
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GuRu · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:11 am Post subject:

i edited the title so people would know more specifically what the thread was about
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kobe_the_truth · Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 41 Location: ny

cmon guys y trade butler when u can trade odom ... dont u guys remember that kobe and butler plays good together andodom suck when kobe is in the line up. i rather trade odom and leave butler

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kobe_the_truth · Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 41 Location: ny

TRADE ODOM FOR boozer bender r kmart

JbOi112 · Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:48 am Post subject:

NO LINK, but here's the exact copy & paste of the part where ESPN INSIDER talks about the trade POSSIBILITY...

kobe_the_truth · Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 41 Location: ny

u think caron butler andthe10pick is worth giving up for one of those rookies ????

Coville · Joined: 30 Dec 2004 Posts: 6838

I don't know.

I really think we need to get a player back in return, we send them the 10th, mihm, butler and a future 1st for magloire and the 4th.

we select chris paul with the pick (if the hawks select marvin williams)

our line up next year.

chris paul
kobe bryant
jumaine jones
lamar odom
jamal magloire

we figure out power foward problems another time.

or we trade the 4th pick with expiring k's for boozer giving utah the 4th and 6th pick giving them enough leverage to trade up to milwakee for the 1st pick maybe.

our line up

point guard
kobe bryant
lamar odom
carlos boozer
jamal magloire

solid core of boozer-magloire-odom-bryant

there salaries are a total of 57 million for that starting 4, but then we have mle lle veterans min. we ALSO have Brian Grant's Contract so in the future we can him for some solid back ups like what happened in the Chris webber trade.

Utah's line up:

Raja Bell
Kirk Snyder
AK 47
Memhet Okur
Andrew Bogut

New Orleans line up:

Jack Jarret
JR Smith
Caron Butler
Stormile Swift
Chris Mihm

Laker Line up:

MLE/LLE pg
Kobe Bryant
Lamar Odom
Carlos Boozer
Jamal Magloire

Not bad, we come out of the deal and might have to throw in some 1st round ehre and there.

But a line up like that is just nasty. Were making the playoffs with homecourt advantage for sure.